Will Primaris get to ride in Rhino/LR?

[Scribe]

With the upcoming change to Terminator (Primaris or not) and the fact Terminators can ride in a LR, but Primaris cannot...

 

Will Primaris get to ride in Rhinos and Land Raiders?

[Orange Knight]

I'm hoping they get a Spartan instead!

 

But I imagine they might.

 

Imo The Rhino is clown-car small for the Primaris, model wise. It's like a Fiat500 drove into battle with 10 grown men inside. 

[WrathOfTheLion]

I rather hope so. If folks don't like the Rhino, they don't have to buy one. But for everyone else, it gives them options of what to do. Rules-wise, there's no value to the restriction.

[Lysimachus]

I am building a Primaris only force (will have new termis ASAP! ) and I like the Impulsor... but if things changed and I could put squads in Deimos pattern Rhinos, I would definitely do that.

 

Wouldn't even mind if they said 5 (or 6?) Primaris in the space taken by 10 Firstborn.

Edited March 23, 2023 by Lysimachus

[Kallas]

3 minutes ago, WrathOfTheLion said:

I rather hope so. If folks don't like the Rhino, they don't have to buy one. But for everyone else, it gives them options of what to do. Rules-wise, there's no value to the restriction.

Yup, this.

 

Regardless of one's opinion on the size of the vehicle, if someone wants to put their Primaris in a Rhino, they should be able to; and if someone wants to stuff some Terminators in a Repulasor, they should be able to.

[Scribe]

Ah, I see I've been moved.

 

I ask because I'm going to collect something and give 10th a shot.

 

Its either going to be my Nth Chaos army, or Blood Angels but I simply cannot accept the Primaris vehicle range. :D

[Kallas]

4 minutes ago, Scribe said:

I ask because I'm going to collect something and give 10th a shot.

Well, the full answer is: We don't quite know yet, since we don't have enough information about 10th to be conclusive.

 

Signs indicate that the Firstborn/Primaris divide is lessening, with Terminators not having the Primaris keyword/being both Primaris and Firstborn. If that carries over to more units, then transport keyword restrictions will be moot; but it's possible that it's just Terminators, so they might still be restricted. Or alternatively, there might still be keywords but they remove the transport restrictions. We just don't know yet, unfortunately.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 hours ago, Scribe said:

With the upcoming change to Terminator (Primaris or not) and the fact Terminators can ride in a LR, but Primaris cannot...

 

Will Primaris get to ride in Rhinos and Land Raiders?

If they keep the keyword for other units? Probably not. If the keyword goes away probably.

1 hour ago, Lysimachus said:

I am building a Primaris only force (will have new termis ASAP! ) and I like the Impulsor... but if things changed and I could put squads in Deimos pattern Rhinos, I would definitely do that.

 

Wouldn't even mind if they said 5 (or 6?) Primaris in the space taken by 10 Firstborn.

Well this settles one debate with someone I was having on here.

[BrainFireBob]

The big miss by GW was giving Primaris the missing Custodes vehicle pool. 

[Felix Antipodes]

I certainly hope so.  It was one of their worst brain farts ever imho.  Wouldn’t mind them doing a scale increase of the Deimos-pattern rhino for the new edition.  I’ve always disliked the size differential between the models and their transports.  There were reasons back in the day, but tech improvements made this no longer necessary.

I already have several rhinos of various types but would still happily throw money at a decently scaled one.

From a game perspective I’d happily settle for a seat reduction number if it meant I could use them with the new boys.

Edited March 24, 2023 by Felix Antipodes

[spessmarine]

trying to true-scale vehicles would be hard I guess, the vehicles would be huge

but yeah, maybe rhinos make more sense as 5 man transports (and crew)

[Bouargh]

17 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

I'm hoping they get a Spartan instead!

 

But I imagine they might.

 

Imo The Rhino is clown-car small for the Primaris, model wise. It's like a Fiat500 drove into battle with 10 grown men inside. 

 

And Mastodon.

And Caestus Assault Ram - did you notice that in last WD there is a picture of BA Assault primaris going out of a landed Assault Ram? I do not often buy WD so I do not know if this is comon practice to showcase an ooP FW product with current 40k plastic range unit.

[DesuVult]

Mastodon is gone from FW, if it goes to plastic you could make a real goon squad of terminators and bladeguard popping out of that.  Maybe even add some aggressors.

Edited March 24, 2023 by DesuVult

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

58 minutes ago, DesuVult said:

Mastodon is gone from FW, if it goes to plastic you could make a real goon squad of terminators and bladeguard popping out of that.  Maybe even add some aggressors.

Full chonk, termies and aggressors!

[Malakithe]

I didnt know rhinos were still used other then sisters and now WEs

[Brother Kraskor]

Might Primaris even go in drop pods... dare we hope?

[Karhedron]

13 minutes ago, Brother Kraskor said:

Might Primaris even go in drop pods... dare we hope?

 

I am certainly hoping so. Gravis units like Aggressors or Eradicators could make great use of them.

[Khornestar]

14 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

I am certainly hoping so. Gravis units like Aggressors or Eradicators could make great use of them.

Access to drop pods would be my greatest wish out of this potential situation . Dislike oldmarines, love primaris, love drop pods.

[Orange Knight]

I imagine that Drop Pods will be unlocked for use with the Primaris.

 

I just hope they aren't costed too high in 10th edition. GW never quite found the balance when it comes to Space Marine transports. 

 

It's also a kit that doesn't really require an update, it still looks OK on the tabletop even though it's on the small size.

[Marshal Reinhard]

a sllight redesign with crisper/greater detail wouldn't go amiss either

 

[Brother Kraskor]

Sword Brethren & Hellblasters piling out of Drop Pods, yes please...!

Edited March 29, 2023 by Brother Kraskor

[Karhedron]

Plasma Inceptors are arguably to Hellblasters in a pod although I grant they cannot drop in on T1.

[WrathOfTheLion]

As I read and familiarize myself more with their rules as presented so far for 10E, I think they're going to have to do this given their design philosophy. They definitely can't have strategems focused too much on Primaris vs not (if the keyword exists, I think it won't). With only like six available given your detachment choice, it would be crippling to have bits of it unnecessarily gummed up by distinctions splitting the army like that. Just one strat being like that is 1/6 of your strategems, two is a 1/3.

 

Removing the rules distinction between Primaris and Firstborn is one of the easiest and most straightforward ways to simplify the Space Marine Codex.

 

They also have a bunch of shiny new vehicles released for HH, and maybe might just update the 40k ones. That would then open those kits up for more sales, and so it'd be sound at this point for marketing.

Edited April 4, 2023 by WrathOfTheLion

[Beta galactosidase]

On 3/23/2023 at 8:29 PM, Felix Antipodes said:

 I’ve always disliked the size differential between the models and their transports.  There were reasons back in the day, but tech improvements made this no longer necessary.

the big reason is in effect today: the board is only so big.  Any faction having vehicles in the same scale as infantry is a problem. So would movement and weapon ranges being in scale with the models.

 

it is bad enough that firstborn got a 65% increase in footprint. Playing field just gets smaller

 

 

 

 

On 3/29/2023 at 1:17 AM, Orange Knight said:

. GW never quite found the balance when it comes to Space Marine transports. 

 

It wouldn’t really be possible, what’s the point of a transport when the units start out across a 24” no man’s land from each other.  When there were missions that made the units move on from the board edge as deployment, or cross the whole board as an objective, then it is possible to point transports well as something other than a gun boat.

 

As for rhinos getting reduced capacity, then what’s a repulsor or razroback? Maybe if squad sizes were 4-8 instead of 5-10

[Doghouse]

On 3/24/2023 at 4:41 AM, spessmarine said:

trying to true-scale vehicles would be hard I guess, the vehicles would be huge

but yeah, maybe rhinos make more sense as 5 man transports (and crew)

 

 

Rhinos are surprisingly large but with 3d printing surprisingly easy to make. That guy above is the same size as a Primaris.

 

They aren't really massive as you'd think, this one is a fair bit smaller than a Proteus and is scaled based on existing lore measurements along with actually being able to fit ten Astartes in the back as shown in the FW Imperial Armour book.

 

For me marines are all about tanks and tracks. I'm not a fan of the more GI Joe type designs but the idea of Intercessors trundling across a battlefield in a Land Raider is extremely appealing to me.