Redcomet Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 So Louise Sugden has left GW and struck out on her own. One my my favorite painters and hobby personalities, it is a big loss for GW. Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf, Matcap86, havlar and 6 others 4 2 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doobles57 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Feels like another nail in the coffin for Warhammer+. Louise's masterclass videos were some of the best content on there. Look forward to seeing where she takes things on her own. MithrilForge 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5930975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephaston Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Ah, yes. The Duncan Rhodes Manoeuvre. Will be interesting to watch. Silas7, System Sound, grailkeeper and 2 others 3 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5930977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
potatocrusader Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Kind of a shame for GW but glad for her! She is a great painter and now she can dabble into non-GW stuff and have more creative freedom. A loss for GW but a huge win for the community imo! Helias_Tancred, MithrilForge, The Yncarne and 1 other 2 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5930978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
System Sound Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Seems like GW media team is just bleeding talent recently. Duncan, Peachy, many others that I probably haven't heard of yet and now Louise. Good for them! Bad for for GW... Lord Nord in Gravis Armour 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5930984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timberley Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what Louise comes up with, as savage_ork_guy has been a staple for a while now. A big loss for GW, and a win for her and the community! I (selfishly) hope she does intermediate/advanced painting techniques, then between her, Duncan and Peachy, they would have their own niches covered, and provide a series of recognisable personalities from GW that people can go to for their needs. If only they also did conversions, but that's what I have Pete and Guy for... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5930989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 I remember when Louise worked as part of the WHW Events Team pre-COVID. She definitely didn't last long with Warhammer Community compared to some of the other staffers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5930994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waaagh? Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 (edited) Highest patreon tier is £1500 (£1800 with VAT) and for that you get a single painted 25mm mini and 30 mins of painting feedback facetime on top of the previous £30 tier rewards. Edited April 7, 2023 by Waaagh? Subtleknife 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5931017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 It makes you wonder if something is going on behind the scenes with the warcom team. This many people leaving in such a short time is kind of concerning. Her and Peachy in less than a year, and the year before that Ben Bailey disappeared with nary a mention too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5931025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
System Sound Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, Cruor Vault said: It makes you wonder if something is going on behind the scenes with the warcom team. This many people leaving in such a short time is kind of concerning. Her and Peachy in less than a year, and the year before that Ben Bailey disappeared with nary a mention too. Toxic management and low pay. phandaal, Aarik, zarkkarn and 8 others 7 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5931028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halandaar Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Also Hatty Pollard left last year for Midwinter Minis (she was the director/editor for Louise's early Masterclass videos), so it's not just the presenters moving on. Arguably this brain drain has been going on since Rob Symes (he of Honest Wargamer and "slapchop" fame) left; he was fronting the Twitch coverage and a lot of the YouTube stuff at the same time Duncan was doing the painting videos. They don't seem to have been able to keep any of the best presenters longer than a couple of years, which I suppose speaks to the pay/conditions they must have. On the other hand, the fact that most of these people effectively go self-employed doing the same work rather than needing to find normie jobs tells you a lot about how much exposure and reach they get via GW. Maybe that's a benefit of a kind. Aarik 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5931035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, Halandaar said: On the other hand, the fact that most of these people effectively go self-employed doing the same work rather than needing to find normie jobs tells you a lot about how much exposure and reach they get via GW. Maybe that's a benefit of a kind. Corporations willing to pay as little as possible would certainly like us to believe that the exposure is worth it. I'll take the pay + a pension (as if those exist now) thanks. Damo1701, Toxichobbit, Helias_Tancred and 1 other 2 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5931038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Good for her MithrilForge 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5931046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halandaar Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Scribe said: Corporations willing to pay as little as possible would certainly like us to believe that the exposure is worth it. I'll take the pay + a pension (as if those exist now) thanks. Oh I'm not at all saying GW actually consider or quote that as a benefit, I suspect it never occurs to them that fans of their games/worlds would want to leave in the first place (despite how often it happens). I was more saying that it's an unplanned benefit these people have been able to obtain from their public-facing jobs with GW in spite of low pay and/or poor management. Edited April 7, 2023 by Halandaar Scribe 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5931050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Knight Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 In fairness we don't know what is happening behind the scenes. I can believe that they have under-appreciated some of their talent, but she might simply want to enjoy being her own boss. Subtleknife, Special Officer Doofy and Arkangilos 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5931051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 I said it on the Epic thread, but the amount of money a known face must get for Patreon/Youtube is probably a lot more than anything GW would be willing to offer. Warden-Paints, Helias_Tancred and Aarik 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5931053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Knight Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said: I said it on the Epic thread, but the amount of money a known face must get for Patreon/Youtube is probably a lot more than anything GW would be willing to offer. Well these "40k celebs" have definitely benefitted from the GW exposure. It's hard to quantify the value of what they have gained, but a random person starting out today can't generate a profitable patreon account over night. Louise has dumped GW and will probably equal or increase her income immediately because of how well known she is. Some people work for free to get exposure, some people do it at a loss for years. Edited April 7, 2023 by Orange Knight Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5931057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcomet Posted April 7, 2023 Author Share Posted April 7, 2023 Besides her skills at mini painting, she is a skilled traditional artist and musician too. It is definitely a win for us as a community. You can get her to paint a mini for you on her patreon, for a rather tidy sum however MithrilForge 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5931071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Knight Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 19 minutes ago, Redcomet said: Besides her skills at mini painting, she is a skilled traditional artist and musician too. It is definitely a win for us as a community. You can get her to paint a mini for you on her patreon, for a rather tidy sum however I have no doubt someone will buy the highest tier for the 30 minutes of face time lol Helias_Tancred, HolyPestilience and phandaal 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5931081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcomet Posted April 7, 2023 Author Share Posted April 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Orange Knight said: I have no doubt someone will buy the highest tier for the 30 minutes of face time lol I would if I was rich lol MithrilForge 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5931082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Nord in Gravis Armour Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Halandaar said: Oh I'm not at all saying GW actually consider or quote that as a benefit, I suspect it never occurs to them that fans of their games/worlds would want to leave in the first place (despite how often it happens). I was more saying that it's an unplanned benefit these people have been able to obtain from their public-facing jobs with GW in spite of low pay and/or poor management. GW is one thousand percent aware of the value of exposure. It's why they've cut out all of the shots of the painters' faces from their most recent tutorial videos and why they've stripped all of the last names from the talent that actually does make it on camera. Their solution to multiple staffers preferring to go independent is apparently to make it as difficult as possible for them to create an identifiable brand in-house that they can leverage, rather than actually looking for ways to make them want to stay. Edited April 7, 2023 by Lord Nord Aarik, Warp Rider, Toxichobbit and 6 others 1 8 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5931088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spessmarine Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Scribe said: Corporations willing to pay as little as possible would certainly like us to believe that the exposure is worth it. I'll take the pay + a pension (as if those exist now) thanks. Duncan definitely benefited from that exposure I'd say! Not to imply that is always the case, but it worked for him. Marshal Mittens 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5931092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 (edited) Noone has gone into detail but it does sound like they haven't been fixing the things making the talent want to leave, just shoring up the barricades and as mentioned above it's not just the faces but all the other specialists going too. Edited April 7, 2023 by Noserenda Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5931134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaherty Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Midwinter said in an AMA that he made a comparable salary to a bank branch manager 12-18 months ago. Given that he's hired a hand, I'm assuming that's risen. I'm also guessing that's a bit more than the community team staffer earns, plus you get creative and schedule freedom. Combine that with the fact that it seems like GW is managed in a bit of a stodgy manner, it's pretty easy to understand why these folks are jumping ship. You have to hope they're amply rewarding Darren Latham, Max Faleij, and some of the other senior creatives with decent-sized Instagram followings. If a few of those guys jumped ship it could materially impact GW's output. Darren could likely earn as much as GW's CEO (~£1,3M) if he went indie and really hustled. Aarik 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5931149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Entry level wages for positions at Lenton generally varied between £23,000 to £27,000 in 2019/20 shortly before they stopped advertising the wages they offered; comparable wages at companies like Warlord (Geedub's closest competitor in the country) were historically much poorer (avg. £19,000 to £21,000). I'd be curious to see how much it's changed since then. Realistically, I can't imagine many senior staff outside of the board earn anywhere above £40,000 to £45,000 at the company; which, in the Nottingham area at least, is a pretty comfortable amount to live on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378307-louise-sugden-has-gone-rogue/#findComment-5931152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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