How are hobbyists with homebrew Unforgiven Chapters dealing with the return of the Lion?

[Cpt_Reaper]

How are people with homebrew successors handling our Primarch's return? I am trying to draft up the reaction of my Chapter to the news, but I might need to read his novel first or watch a lore summary of the Arks book.

[jbaeza94]

Considering the fallen were a secret to everyone except roughly 200 marines in the chapter, it will be overall excitement through the ranks. New sense of purpose, new sense of direction 

 

the Lion guard and iron guard though will have a more problematic line of thinking. While the Lion is forgiving certain fallen, the question will be can the inner circle forgive them? My chapter is fairly  devoted to the omnissiah, so without going into spoilers, they blame vashtors device on the fallen and heretical tech. The duality of my chapter resurfaces loyalty to the Lion vs loyalty to the Iron 

Edited April 16, 2023 by jbaeza94

[Cpt_Reaper]

My Angels of Shadow are certainly proving to be tricky when planning their next narrative steps.

• Descended from the Angels of Absolution, so no inherent guilt about the Fallen
• Had their own "Fallen" situation occur (The Enlightened)
• Are homed in a Legion era fortress that may or may not have been a Dreadwing armoury (it was)
• Have a very Dreadwing mentality of overkill is under-rated

Having the Lion come back is one of the hardest things I've had to account for when the narrative moves forward.

[Felix Antipodes]

The DA successors I was working on operate way down near the border of Tempestus.  Like a lot of the other successors, both in lore or home brew, only their inner circle know or care about the Fallen.  They will treat the rumours of a returned Lion with tempered excitement but won't actually believe it unless some hardcore facts come their way.  Especially since these rumours are coming out of Nihilus, where nothing is really known of the situation there.

[UtariOnzo]

The Angels of Penance are going to have an interesting internal debate over certain attitudes of the Lion about the Fallen. But, of course, they will also celebrate his return as any loyal sons of their genesire. Whether the Lion ends up forgiving the Unforgiven themselves or not, however, their desire to enact the Hunt on all traitors regardless of Legion/Chapter affiliation will run strong as theirs is a bloody minded determination to forcefully redeem, or destroy, every wayward Astartes of the Emperor that is not so easily tamed.

[Chaplain Lucifer]

I think that we we'll see a second DA schism. Haha.

Some hobbyists will have their chapter to be loyal to the Lion and some others will turn back on him and the Imperium, slowly falling to chaos or just going rogue.

 

Edited April 19, 2023 by Chaplain Lucifer

[Chaplain Raeven]

My lads just want relics from the Chapter, can't go any older than their Genefather. They're gonna kidnap him and place him in a glass cabinet with a Stasis field.

[Lostrael]

I suppose we are a Legion (again)

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Lostrael said:

I suppose we are a Legion (again)

Were we ever not a Legion? :)

[Azoriel]

I feel this is similar to those Ultramarines successor chapters that saw to Codex Astartes as a religious text and now have to deal with their Primarch telling them that's not how he intended it to be read.  I think some chapters may try to "amend" their Primarch's dictates without necessarily going renegade.  In the case of particularly recalcitrant Unforgiven chapters, I could see them avoiding any contact with the Lion's Redeemed out of disgust while focusing their efforts on hunting down those Fallen who have yet to receive the Lion's forgiveness, as any "Chaos tainted" Fallen are still fair game.

 

"I mean, he looked pretty Chaos tainted to me..."

[Karhedron]

7 hours ago, Chaplain Raeven said:

My lads just want relics from the Chapter, can't go any older than their Genefather. They're gonna kidnap him and place him in a glass cabinet with a Stasis field.

 

It worked for the Ultras until those pesky Aeldari came along. Now Guilliman is no longer "mint in box". 

[Grotsmasha]

Excellent question.

 

Initial take is, my Heralds of Devastation are AoA Successors, and follow the belief that the Legion's actions at the destruction of Caliban has cleared their honour and as such aren't "Unforgiven". I'll have to think on it more, but I don't see the Lion "forgiving" Fallen an issue to the Chapter.

[Cpt_Reaper]

You raise an interesting point Grotsmasha. Perhaps in knowing (or making educated guesses) the reaction of official successors we can better plan for our homebrew successors.

 

• Angels of Absolution: Don't blame themselves for the Fallen. Most likely to forgiven truly repentant Fallen
• Angels of Redemption: Known for abandoning missions to hunt Fallen so often they were going to be censured by the Inquisition before the Rift opened
• Angels of Vengeance: Known for a "fanatical" hatred of traitors. Not likely to forgive Fallen even with Lion's say so
• Consecrators: Known to use relics as Fallen bait. Potential to request redeemed Fallen to help track down Legion supply depots?

[Grotsmasha]

They all make sense to me

[cubertious]

I never finished flushing out my successor’s story, but it was always along the lines of a somewhat secret founding to hunt fallen and during a particularly brutal campaign what was left of the chapter ended up getting sucked into the warp while chasing some suspected fallen. they managed to re appear years later and also happened to pick up some non-fallen, lion loyal, dark angels into their 1st company along the way. (If possible, needed to check on that. I bought some forgeworld Models i wanted to fit into my chapter).

 

anyway. The lion returning and forgiving fallen would allow my chapter to be more open about the source of some of their old power armor and weapons

[Cpt_Reaper]

@cubertious I'd recommend popping down to The Liber subforum, and the wonderful frater can assist you in fleshing out the Chapter as a whole.

 

I got my copy of the novel today (copy 1736) so I shall be reading it when I get a spare moment.

[moi_a_mania]

My Tempest Sons will rejoice with the Return of the Primarch of the Unforgiven - The Lion!

 

Since Third Edition, I have placed my Chapter's Homeworld in the Segmentum Pacificus. In current lore, my Chapter's home systems will be in danger. 

 

Taking into account the great rift separating the galaxy, my chapter would have likely tried to join the other Unforgiven, but may not have had the opportunity to do so. 

 

Instead, they will stay and be on the front lines of this new Xenos Threat!  For the Emperor!  For the Lion! 

[Harleqvin]

I had been toying for years with mine dealing with a whole company from HH era (essentially a chapter or so's size strength,) in a ship having been too close to Caliban when it was being ripped apart due to current era DA making the rift back to HH era, and thus needing saved & and were thrusted forward to current era. So mine wouldn't be hurt/hindered by it, but bettered for Lion's return.

[Galron]

My Star Phantoms have said cool, nice of him to finally have woken up. The Dread Wing is standing by for orders. Since that army is effectively finished being painted aside from a dude here and there I have started a new force using primaris and first born in OG 1st legion colors as a drop pod assault army. Im going to call them Fallen who never sided with chaos and just went their own way managing a minor system in the fringes and essentially just stayed out of sight. Will also explain their large amount of Heresy era gear.