Are the Black Ships allowed to take psychic natives from Baal?

[Helias_Tancred]

I know they are not allowed to take the natives of Fenris. I was wondering if they've ever said one way or another for Baal? Personally I couldn't imagine the Blood Angels allowing it either.

 

 

[Karhedron]

I believe that Chapter homeworlds belong to the Chapter and all normal tithes and obligations are superseded by that authority. If a Chapter Master says "No Black Ships" then that is the way it is. The Inquisition is pretty much the only authority that can overrule a Chapter in how they run their hoemworld.

 

Having said that, I can see a lot of Chapters taking a less hardline approach than Space Wolves. Many psykers are unstable or unsuitable for geneseed implantation so would be of no use to the Chapter anyway. While their Librarius may be good for screening candidates, they will find plenty of psykers who are no use as potential recruits. Giving them to the Black Ships neatly solves their problems by taking them off their hands. Then there are Chapters like the Black Templars who have no psykers and would probably be happy to turn over every psyker they come across to the Black Ships.

 

I don't believe the Blood Angels relationship with the Black Ships is ever mentioned so I could see it going either way.

[Cleon]

I don't recall it ever being explicitly mentioned (to be honest Black ships barely get a handful of mentions a decade in total) - However hypothesizing my first thought is I'd be surprised if with the relatively small population Baal's moons would ever show up on a black ship's itinerary (the same with Fenris too, but the Wolves have a history with the Inquisition that I could see a jerk inquisitor sending a Black ship just there just to needle them) - if you add to that the relatively high number of Librarians in the Blood Angels I can't imagine there are many if any psykers going unnoticed in Baal.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

That’s also something I’ve always wondered.

are marine librarians psykers when they are recruited or does something in the process of having the geneseed implanted have a tendency to active latent psyker genes?

 

especially in a chapter like BA where low level psychic ability seems to run rampant (by comparison to other chapters) but those powers are limited to foresight or simply too weak to become librarians.

[Sea Creature]

 It is possible that they may take psychic natives from Baal, but it would depend on a variety of factors such as the Imperium's current relationship with the Blood Angels chapter, the level of psychic ability of the individuals in question, and the overall demands for psykers at the time.

[Blindhamster]

22 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

That’s also something I’ve always wondered.

are marine librarians psykers when they are recruited or does something in the process of having the geneseed implanted have a tendency to active latent psyker genes?

 

especially in a chapter like BA where low level psychic ability seems to run rampant (by comparison to other chapters) but those powers are limited to foresight or simply too weak to become librarians.

an interesting thought to be sure. I could see the implantation process increasing potential of the marine, I doubt it gives psychic potential to those without any to begin with though, but who knows.

 

I’ve always found it interesting that blood angels lore says they have a large number of librarians and psykers are common, yet that’s barely represented in the tabletop. 
 

as for black ships and baal, honestly I would think the chapters would be the ones making the call on who to tithe. As others have said, many with the capability lack the potential to learn the necessary control, so would be deemed a threat. Honestly I imagine more often than not though, those are simply killed, as that’s surely a thing they decide via training.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

39 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

an interesting thought to be sure. I could see the implantation process increasing potential of the marine, I doubt it gives psychic potential to those without any to begin with though, but who knows.

 

I’ve always found it interesting that blood angels lore says they have a large number of librarians and psykers are common, yet that’s barely represented in the tabletop. 
 

as for black ships and baal, honestly I would think the chapters would be the ones making the call on who to tithe. As others have said, many with the capability lack the potential to learn the necessary control, so would be deemed a threat. Honestly I imagine more often than not though, those are simply killed, as that’s surely a thing they decide via training.

Well 10th seems to be giving us an opportunity to run a librarian heavy army.

 

i also really like gift of foresight because it’s so fluffy.

 

 

[Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla]

I think that even if the Black Ships had visited Baal in the past, currently it's out of question. I vividly remember reading somewhere that due to problems with crossing the Rift the Black Ships do not reach systems under Dante's government anymore and BA Librarium has to handle local psykers.

[Arkangilos]

I don’t think so. Part of the deal Sanguinius made with the Emperor for unification were no outsiders on Baal. No ships will touch the moons of Baal.

Edited April 24, 2023 by Arkangilos

[Karhedron]

3 hours ago, Arkangilos said:

I don’t think so. Part of the deal Sanguinius made with the Emperor for unification were no outsiders on Baal. No ships will touch the moons of Baal.

 

That is a good point, I had forgotten that detail.

[The Unseen]

One of the Mephiston novels talks about how there are a bunch of lightly psychic scriveners down in the librarius, baseline human and never allowed to leave basically. So if I'd hazard a guess, the Black Ships don't come, with the small population of Baals moons, the Librarius screens enough that anyone they can train to be useful is inducted as a serf, and anyone who is not is executed, assuming they aren't considered worthy to attempt the trials.

 

That and Sanguinius' own bargain with the Emperor as well, Baals people were to forever be allowed to maintain their own culture and lives, and not suffer outside interference from the IoM other than from the IXth.

[Helias_Tancred]

5 hours ago, The Unseen said:

That and Sanguinius' own bargain with the Emperor as well, Baals people were to forever be allowed to maintain their own culture and lives, and not suffer outside interference from the IoM other than from the IXth.

 

It seems that Roboute Guilliman was trying to talk Dante out of maintaining that arrangement, in The Devastation of Baal?

[sitnam]

On 4/23/2023 at 5:38 PM, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

That’s also something I’ve always wondered.

are marine librarians psykers when they are recruited or does something in the process of having the geneseed implanted have a tendency to active latent psyker genes?

According to the Guymer Iron Hands novels, Epistolary Lydriik of the Iron Hands was a non-Medusan, recruited from a black ship. So, at least with this case, he was a known psyker before recruitment