Wolfandraven77 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Hi guys I was wondering if I could use certain rites of war in allied detachments if they require aditional HQ choices to be taken thus breaking the standard allied detachment structure? E.g : i run Raven Guard and would like to ally in salamanders with the awakening fire rite of war. I use a delegatus to open up the rite and gain an extra HQ slot which must be used on a chaplain. Does this mean i can take an allied detachment with two hqs rather the standard one? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378859-allied-detachments-and-rites-of-war/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution SkimaskMohawk Posted June 5, 2023 Solution Share Posted June 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Wolfandraven77 said: Hi guys I was wondering if I could use certain rites of war in allied detachments if they require aditional HQ choices to be taken thus breaking the standard allied detachment structure? E.g : i run Raven Guard and would like to ally in salamanders with the awakening fire rite of war. I use a delegatus to open up the rite and gain an extra HQ slot which must be used on a chaplain. Does this mean i can take an allied detachment with two hqs rather the standard one? No, unless a Rite says "gain an extra slot" you always have to work within the bounds of the FoC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378859-allied-detachments-and-rites-of-war/#findComment-5955668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfandraven77 Posted June 6, 2023 Author Share Posted June 6, 2023 Thanks skimaskMohawk! I find it disappointing that so many fun rites of war are locked out of being used by allies. Oh well! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378859-allied-detachments-and-rites-of-war/#findComment-5955762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 It seems a balance thing, really. For my Alphas I'd love to take a Moebius warlord leviathal with an allied detachment of Decapitation Strike RG, however the potential +5VP for killing my opponent's warlord and letting the RG die might be too game breaking, although fluffy to have the AL pursuing their own objectives instead of the mission. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378859-allied-detachments-and-rites-of-war/#findComment-5955777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorblade Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Xenith said: It seems a balance thing, really. For my Alphas I'd love to take a Moebius warlord leviathal with an allied detachment of Decapitation Strike RG, however the potential +5VP for killing my opponent's warlord and letting the RG die might be too game breaking, although fluffy to have the AL pursuing their own objectives instead of the mission. That is perfectly legal tough,you just have to take preators in both detachments as you cant have a Delegatus and another Master of the Legion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378859-allied-detachments-and-rites-of-war/#findComment-5955819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 32 minutes ago, Razorblade said: That is perfectly legal tough,you just have to take preators in both detachments as you cant have a Delegatus and another Master of the Legion It's not, both the Leviathal and Decaptitation strike can only be taken by Primary Detachments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378859-allied-detachments-and-rites-of-war/#findComment-5955831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Legionnaire Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 On 6/5/2023 at 11:57 PM, SkimaskMohawk said: No, unless a Rite says "gain an extra slot" you always have to work within the bounds of the FoC. Which is precisely what the 'Awakening Fire', the RoW the original poster was inquiring about, does in the first place. It gives you an additional HQ slot which must be filled by a Chaplain Consul. It is not limited to a primary detachment in any form. Awakening Fire allied detachment is perfectly legal. Headhunter Leviathal, Decap Strike, and certain other RoW can explicitely only be taken / applied to primary detachments. Cheerios. SkimaskMohawk 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378859-allied-detachments-and-rites-of-war/#findComment-5956497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickyelsdon Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Unknown Legionnaire said: Which is precisely what the 'Awakening Fire', the RoW the original poster was inquiring about, does in the first place. It gives you an additional HQ slot which must be filled by a Chaplain Consul. It is not limited to a primary detachment in any form. Awakening Fire allied detachment is perfectly legal. Headhunter Leviathal, Decap Strike, and certain other RoW can explicitely only be taken / applied to primary detachments. Cheerios. Yep, last bullet point of effects give you an additional HQ slot, 'which may be used to add a centurion consul'. Seems this ROW has been specifically designed to work as an allied detachment. I dont really know much of the Salamanders, what Lore is used as the basis for the ROW, and why as an allied detachment? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378859-allied-detachments-and-rites-of-war/#findComment-5956531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, dickyelsdon said: I dont really know much of the Salamanders, what Lore is used as the basis for the ROW, and why as an allied detachment? It's not only for an allied detachment. The lore is in the flavour text snippet above the rite - basically when it seemed like Vulkan was dead, the remaining PTSD stricken sallies went pretty fundamentalist and fell back hard on the promethean cult to get them through the tragedy, which involved lots more burning things and less restraint, I recall. The heresy sallies books will have more, albeit of debatable quality. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378859-allied-detachments-and-rites-of-war/#findComment-5956536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickyelsdon Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Xenith said: It's not only for an allied detachment. The lore is in the flavour text snippet above the rite - basically when it seemed like Vulkan was dead, the remaining PTSD stricken sallies went pretty fundamentalist and fell back hard on the promethean cult to get them through the tragedy, which involved lots more burning things and less restraint, I recall. The heresy sallies books will have more, albeit of debatable quality. Thanks. I just meant why have GW given this ROW special treatment to work as an allied detachment. I guess the Sallies when alongside other chapters would maybe be more grief stricken, or perhaps the need to show their worth/honor/or repent would be stronger. Shame the ironhands didnt get anything similar. Its a nice little narrative driven option. Edited June 8, 2023 by dickyelsdon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378859-allied-detachments-and-rites-of-war/#findComment-5956541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Ah yea I definitely only read the post where OP says "requires an additional HQ" and stopped there. Overly familiar with 1st where the traits and rites gobbled up HQ slots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378859-allied-detachments-and-rites-of-war/#findComment-5956591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfandraven77 Posted June 8, 2023 Author Share Posted June 8, 2023 Well thats nice to know. I guess my scary salamanders allied detachment is back on the menu. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378859-allied-detachments-and-rites-of-war/#findComment-5956891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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