Primaris Tycho?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Obviously not literally Tycho, but how would the community feel if they made a primaris LT that was basically Tycho? Phantom of the opera mask, and what not.

 

personally I would like it since we can’t have an actual primaris Tycho.

[Xenith]

I don't think they would go full opera mask, but I'm all over a decent primaris Lt kit with the sculpted musculature. 

 

I'm of the firm belief that back when power weapons were not delineated, specific things, GW released Astorath and the Sanguinor to be stand-ins for Mephiston and Dante, respectively, and later the sanguinary priest with an ornate chainsword and bionic 'far seeing' eye was a dead ringer for Corbulo's wargear. 

 

Tbf, they could totally say tycho went into stasis to be returned to baal, then forgot about whrn the nids invaded, and then underwent the rubicon. Who cares at this point! 

[apologist]

Tycho's mask is a perfect example of the sort of item that could be an objective in a narrative game, or a piece of venerated wargear. After all, relics have to come from somewhere; and where better in the modern age than from a lost paragon? I'd be well up for a post-Armageddon Detachment rule with 'The Mask of Tycho' as an enhancement. :)

 

In lore terms of a 'Primaris Tycho', I'd rather that GW came up with new characters, personally. Part of the appeal of certain characters like Tycho (and Yarrick) is that their narrative arc was interesting, then became resolved and complete. Better to let heroes rest in peace.

 

In game terms, besides which units he can join and transports he can ride, there aren't any differences between a Captain and a Primaris Captain any more, are there? 

[Xenith]

7 minutes ago, apologist said:

In game terms, besides which units he can join and transports he can ride, there aren't any differences between a Captain and a Primaris Captain any more, are there? 

 

Wargear loadouts, pretty much. Primaris are still model-locked I think, while firstborn can pick and choose more freely. 

[Rhavien]

Let him stay dead please. I think it's a great idea that his mask has become a relic at this point, though. Especially with all the deathmask cult going on. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

On 6/20/2023 at 3:40 AM, apologist said:

Tycho's mask is a perfect example of the sort of item that could be an objective in a narrative game, or a piece of venerated wargear. After all, relics have to come from somewhere; and where better in the modern age than from a lost paragon? I'd be well up for a post-Armageddon Detachment rule with 'The Mask of Tycho' as an enhancement. :)

 

In lore terms of a 'Primaris Tycho', I'd rather that GW came up with new characters, personally. Part of the appeal of certain characters like Tycho (and Yarrick) is that their narrative arc was interesting, then became resolved and complete. Better to let heroes rest in peace.

 

In game terms, besides which units he can join and transports he can ride, there aren't any differences between a Captain and a Primaris Captain any more, are there? 

I don’t mean a literal primaris Tycho, just a Tycho-like primaris LT or captain

[Cleon]

I'd certainly be up for a new 3rd Company Captain who has inherited Tycho's Combi Melta and I agree Tycho's mask would make a cool 'modern relic' but I'd see it going to a Lemartes like Death Company leading Chaplain 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Yeah I just want an officer wearing tycho’s mask, classic BA artificer armor, and a combi melta.

[Helias_Tancred]

On 6/20/2023 at 4:39 AM, Xenith said:

Tbf, they could totally say tycho went into stasis to be returned to baal, then forgot about whrn the nids invaded, and then underwent the rubicon. Who cares at this point! 

 

Pure genius!

[MadGreek]

For me - no Primaris Tycho, replace him with a new character. Perhaps add Tycho's wargear to the relic list that Captains/Lieutenants can take.

 

THEN - put Tycho in a Sarcophagus and make DC Dread Tycho!! Perhaps one arm is a melta, certainly at least underslung melta, and the other is a fist or talon with some kind of tech that emulates the Dead Mans Hand. If the sarcophagus has the skull head look - give it a half mask. So mirror Tychos load out from his Captain and DC days into his DC Dread.

 

Heck, might have to do this myself - now I want one.

[Arkangilos]

Honestly, the BA are the best ones to bring back dead (non-primarch) characters.

 

During the great crusade their chapter master died a lot, but the “same” guy with the same demeanor, name, memories, and personality led from the beginning to the finding of Sanguinius. It’s the perk of their geneseed to be able to literally become the guy that died.

 

So it would be something like this: Tycho died, but he was such a great hero the company commander that takes his place eats his brain and becomes Tycho so that he will live on.

Edited July 19, 2023 by Arkangilos

[Rhavien]

I don't think we do that anymore... 

At least not ritualized as back in the death eater days. 

[Arkangilos]

14 hours ago, Rhavien said:

I don't think we do that anymore... 

At least not ritualized as back in the death eater days. 

We don't, but what I'm saying is that we actually have an in universe explanation for returning characters if we want to. All it takes is one guy getting permission.

[Rhavien]

I meant "we" as in universe blood angels. You already said it. Till the finding of Sanguinius. 

I don't have a definite book or source, but afaik the ritual cannibalism was back in the death eater days and ended after they were united with Sanguinius. Why would they start again now? 

[Arkangilos]

On 7/21/2023 at 12:25 PM, Rhavien said:

but afaik the ritual cannibalism was back in the death eater days and ended after they were united with Sanguinius.

Sanguinius kept the ritual eating, but renamed it to the Rite of Remembrance or something like that, and made it more dignified. 
It was either in Sanguinius: The Great Angel or Echoes of Eternity. I think it was in the latter, and if it was it was Amit that mentioned it. (Actually I'm fairly certain it was in Echoes of Eternity in the same chapter where Amit was eating the brain of a fallen brother).

Edited July 24, 2023 by Arkangilos

[Spyros]

Artistically speaking, you have to see this conversion that's based on a classic drawing and is similar to Tycho's model. It's phenomenal!

 

https://apologentsia.blogspot.com/2018/05/inload-blood-angels-primaris-captain.html

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 hours ago, Spyros said:

Artistically speaking, you have to see this conversion that's based on a classic drawing and is similar to Tycho's model. It's phenomenal!

 

https://apologentsia.blogspot.com/2018/05/inload-blood-angels-primaris-captain.html

Yeah just give him a combi melta and that would be about perfect 

[apologist]

4 hours ago, Spyros said:

Artistically speaking, you have to see this conversion that's based on a classic drawing and is similar to Tycho's model. It's phenomenal!

 

https://apologentsia.blogspot.com/2018/05/inload-blood-angels-primaris-captain.html

Very kind, thanks! :)

[Guest]

Tycho is always going to be where I become a hypocrite.

 

I love his arc, his end story is just so good.

 

But I hate the fact he is dead.

 

Spoiler

The Fate of Tycho 

 

The beat of powerful wings, a sense of depthless sadness. That it should come to this... comrades in arms locked in a battle to the death. Then he saw him, his brother once, his enemy now. Flashing blades and an explosion of blood, screaming pain flaring round his body like an electric charge and he...
...opened his eyes, sweat coating his skin with an oily sheen, his mouth filled with blood. He swallowed and ran his tongue over his teeth, fighting down the visions. But no matter how hard he pushed them away, they were always there, lurking at the back of his skull. Brother Captain Erasmus Tycho stood and turned to leave the chapel, stopping as he saw Chaplain Lemartes standing in the archway, his face shrouded in the dancing shadows cast by the electro-flambeaux.
"Were you seeing them again?" asked Lemartes.
Tycho nodded slowly. "Yes..." he whispered, "I see them even now. I can feel his pain, it burns me."
Lemartes approached Tycho and placed his hands on his friend's shoulders. He had always known it would come to this, but still he felt sorrow. Fitting that it should come on Armageddon. He could see Tycho's glassy eyed stare and knew that part of his mind was no longer here in the now, but had been wrenched back to the time of the Great Betrayal. To the last battle of their Primarch Sanguinius. To his death. 
"Have they considered my... request?" asked Tycho.
"They have, my friend," replied Lemartes sadly. 
"And?" 
"You shall have your wish, Erasmus. The honour of leading the forlorn hope into the Tempestora breach on the morrow is yours. Come, I shall perform the moripatris."

***** 

 

Arrayed in his newly painted black armour, Tycho stared fixedly towards the besieged Hive Tempestora as the Chaplains moved amongst the men of the forlorn hope, the first men into the breach. The first men to die. He felt his pulse race and his breathing quicken... The Imperial palace was in ruins, thousands were dead... He blinked and watched as vast bellied Gargants.... Daemon visaged Titans stalked through the rubble of Terra like predatory gods, killing and destroying all in their path... lurched into firing positions before the hive. Somewhere in the cratered hell before him was the enemy who had horribly disfigured him all those years ago... One man's betrayal had brought them to this, one man's vanity and pride. But they had a chance to end it here. His Emperor had made the decision to take the fight to Horus and Sanguinius of the Blood Angels would not fail him... Chaplain Lemartes stopped before Tycho and dipped his finger into a blood filled chalice. He anointed Tycho's helmet with blood in the form of a jagged saltire and said, "With my blood I commend your soul to the Emperor. May he watch over you this day." 
"And you also Dorn," said Tycho, taking Lemartes' hand in the warriors grip, wrist to wrist. "One last time brother."
"Yes," agreed Lemartes, knowing that Tycho was finally lost to him. "One last time." 

***** 

 

Tycho smashed another Greenskin from the rubble with a backhanded sweep of his fist. Bones cracked and blood sprayed. The top of the breach was less than ten metres away. Gunfire stitched a path towards him, spurts of dust and stone exploding around him. He felt the powerful impacts, but ignored them, charging up the debris strewn slope. Choking dust and smoke filled the air. All he could see were shadowy forms before him... brother Space Marines, their oaths of loyalty ashes in the dust. He hated them like nothing he had ever hated before. A blade swung at his head, striking his shoulder guard and tearing upwards... Tycho's golden mask tore from his rictus face in a wash of blood and skin. He screamed in fury, standing at the top of the breach, surrounded by his foes. The Orks swarmed around the Blood Angels, dying by the dozen as fifty years of hatred and vengeance poured through Tycho's veins. Behind him, the last Space Marine of the forlorn hope fell beneath the blades of the Orks... the others were gone, separated in the teleportation. He was alone. Tycho fought with the strength of legend, fighting and killing all who came near him. He swept up a fallen sword and continued the slaughter, the blade rising and falling, Ork blood sheathing its edge. No blade could pierce his armour, no bullet could lay him low. Ork corpses, scores deep, surrounded him, his altar of death. The smoke parted and a massively powerful Ork, clad in wheezing mechanical armour, crunched across the rubble towards him. Black exhaust fumes belched from rusted pipes and enormous claws snapped from each arm. Tycho snarled as the unquenchable fury of the Black Rage finally consumed him utterly... 
Horus, greatest and most beloved of the Primarchs. Why? When we could have achieved anything we dreamed of, why? Horus said nothing, swinging with his bladed fist. He sprang away from the powerful claw, spinning behind the Traitor. Sanguinius leapt feet first at Horus, feeling fangs break under his boot heels. He landed lightly, rolling swiftly to his feet as Horus attacked again. His back was to the wall, nowhere to go but forwards. The two brothers met blade to blade and Sanguinius knew he could not defeat Horus. The sword snapped and Horus smashed the claw through his armour and deep into his belly. Excruciating agony ripped upwards into his ribcage as Horus tore his heart out. Sanguinius spat blood into his brother's face and hissed, "I die, but you will die with me, traitor!" as he lashed out with his fist and ripped out his foe's throat in a welter of blood. He felt Horus' grip slacken and slumped to the ground, his lifeblood pumping from his broken body. He could vaguely hear his companions calling his name, but with each second their voices grew dimmer. He had not failed his Emperor. He smiled and closed his eyes as life slipped away. 

***** 

 

Lemartes watched the small group of Space Marines as they bore their Captain on their shoulders towards the Imperial lines. The breach had fallen and the outer ring of fortifications and bunkers were now in Imperial hands. Tycho had held the breach long enough for the rest of the army to reach the walls and carry the day. With a tenderness that belied the gore-streaked appearance of the Blood Angels, they laid Brother Captain Erasmus Tycho at the feet of Chaplain Lemartes. He knelt by the bloody corpse, laying a hand on his brow and staring at his friend's face. Perhaps it was just the relaxation of muscle that followed death, but he believed he could see a softening in Tycho's features, as though the terrible disfigurement done to him had retreated within his flesh. He hoped so. 
"Farewell brother," he whispered. "You will not be forgotten.”
 

 

Edited August 8, 2023 by Brother Captain Arkley

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

23 hours ago, Brother Captain Arkley said:

Tycho is always going to be where I become a hypocrite.

 

I love his arc, his end story is just so good.

 

But I hate the fact he is dead.

 

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The Fate of Tycho 

 

The beat of powerful wings, a sense of depthless sadness. That it should come to this... comrades in arms locked in a battle to the death. Then he saw him, his brother once, his enemy now. Flashing blades and an explosion of blood, screaming pain flaring round his body like an electric charge and he...
...opened his eyes, sweat coating his skin with an oily sheen, his mouth filled with blood. He swallowed and ran his tongue over his teeth, fighting down the visions. But no matter how hard he pushed them away, they were always there, lurking at the back of his skull. Brother Captain Erasmus Tycho stood and turned to leave the chapel, stopping as he saw Chaplain Lemartes standing in the archway, his face shrouded in the dancing shadows cast by the electro-flambeaux.
"Were you seeing them again?" asked Lemartes.
Tycho nodded slowly. "Yes..." he whispered, "I see them even now. I can feel his pain, it burns me."
Lemartes approached Tycho and placed his hands on his friend's shoulders. He had always known it would come to this, but still he felt sorrow. Fitting that it should come on Armageddon. He could see Tycho's glassy eyed stare and knew that part of his mind was no longer here in the now, but had been wrenched back to the time of the Great Betrayal. To the last battle of their Primarch Sanguinius. To his death. 
"Have they considered my... request?" asked Tycho.
"They have, my friend," replied Lemartes sadly. 
"And?" 
"You shall have your wish, Erasmus. The honour of leading the forlorn hope into the Tempestora breach on the morrow is yours. Come, I shall perform the moripatris."

***** 

 

Arrayed in his newly painted black armour, Tycho stared fixedly towards the besieged Hive Tempestora as the Chaplains moved amongst the men of the forlorn hope, the first men into the breach. The first men to die. He felt his pulse race and his breathing quicken... The Imperial palace was in ruins, thousands were dead... He blinked and watched as vast bellied Gargants.... Daemon visaged Titans stalked through the rubble of Terra like predatory gods, killing and destroying all in their path... lurched into firing positions before the hive. Somewhere in the cratered hell before him was the enemy who had horribly disfigured him all those years ago... One man's betrayal had brought them to this, one man's vanity and pride. But they had a chance to end it here. His Emperor had made the decision to take the fight to Horus and Sanguinius of the Blood Angels would not fail him... Chaplain Lemartes stopped before Tycho and dipped his finger into a blood filled chalice. He anointed Tycho's helmet with blood in the form of a jagged saltire and said, "With my blood I commend your soul to the Emperor. May he watch over you this day." 
"And you also Dorn," said Tycho, taking Lemartes' hand in the warriors grip, wrist to wrist. "One last time brother."
"Yes," agreed Lemartes, knowing that Tycho was finally lost to him. "One last time." 

***** 

 

Tycho smashed another Greenskin from the rubble with a backhanded sweep of his fist. Bones cracked and blood sprayed. The top of the breach was less than ten metres away. Gunfire stitched a path towards him, spurts of dust and stone exploding around him. He felt the powerful impacts, but ignored them, charging up the debris strewn slope. Choking dust and smoke filled the air. All he could see were shadowy forms before him... brother Space Marines, their oaths of loyalty ashes in the dust. He hated them like nothing he had ever hated before. A blade swung at his head, striking his shoulder guard and tearing upwards... Tycho's golden mask tore from his rictus face in a wash of blood and skin. He screamed in fury, standing at the top of the breach, surrounded by his foes. The Orks swarmed around the Blood Angels, dying by the dozen as fifty years of hatred and vengeance poured through Tycho's veins. Behind him, the last Space Marine of the forlorn hope fell beneath the blades of the Orks... the others were gone, separated in the teleportation. He was alone. Tycho fought with the strength of legend, fighting and killing all who came near him. He swept up a fallen sword and continued the slaughter, the blade rising and falling, Ork blood sheathing its edge. No blade could pierce his armour, no bullet could lay him low. Ork corpses, scores deep, surrounded him, his altar of death. The smoke parted and a massively powerful Ork, clad in wheezing mechanical armour, crunched across the rubble towards him. Black exhaust fumes belched from rusted pipes and enormous claws snapped from each arm. Tycho snarled as the unquenchable fury of the Black Rage finally consumed him utterly... 
Horus, greatest and most beloved of the Primarchs. Why? When we could have achieved anything we dreamed of, why? Horus said nothing, swinging with his bladed fist. He sprang away from the powerful claw, spinning behind the Traitor. Sanguinius leapt feet first at Horus, feeling fangs break under his boot heels. He landed lightly, rolling swiftly to his feet as Horus attacked again. His back was to the wall, nowhere to go but forwards. The two brothers met blade to blade and Sanguinius knew he could not defeat Horus. The sword snapped and Horus smashed the claw through his armour and deep into his belly. Excruciating agony ripped upwards into his ribcage as Horus tore his heart out. Sanguinius spat blood into his brother's face and hissed, "I die, but you will die with me, traitor!" as he lashed out with his fist and ripped out his foe's throat in a welter of blood. He felt Horus' grip slacken and slumped to the ground, his lifeblood pumping from his broken body. He could vaguely hear his companions calling his name, but with each second their voices grew dimmer. He had not failed his Emperor. He smiled and closed his eyes as life slipped away. 

***** 

 

Lemartes watched the small group of Space Marines as they bore their Captain on their shoulders towards the Imperial lines. The breach had fallen and the outer ring of fortifications and bunkers were now in Imperial hands. Tycho had held the breach long enough for the rest of the army to reach the walls and carry the day. With a tenderness that belied the gore-streaked appearance of the Blood Angels, they laid Brother Captain Erasmus Tycho at the feet of Chaplain Lemartes. He knelt by the bloody corpse, laying a hand on his brow and staring at his friend's face. Perhaps it was just the relaxation of muscle that followed death, but he believed he could see a softening in Tycho's features, as though the terrible disfigurement done to him had retreated within his flesh. He hoped so. 
"Farewell brother," he whispered. "You will not be forgotten.”
 

 

That’s what a good story teller does to us.

[Brother Raul]

So many good ideas here. Dead man's fist, mask and melta as relics on a P LT probably work the best. Geneseed re-implanted might bring him back but I agree we can't take his end from him.

 

The idea of putting him in a dread with a multi melta is bad ass.

 

[Spagunk]

For those who might be a bit newer to the hobby: Back in the day GW did a "what if" article in White Dwarf and someone at the studio kit-bashed a Tycho but in dreadnought form. It used the older ghazghkull snippy claws.  It was a neat idea but the article in white dwarf was very much "He died but let's imagine he survived and put into a Death Company Dreadnought".

[apostle85]

I’m torn on this one. On the one hand Tychos story arc is one of the better character arcs GW has done, and I’m the sort that is all for the dead staying dead.  But that being said he does still have rules in spite of that fact, and the mini has been around since I was 10. 
Being one of my favorite characters from way back when I started, I’ve been on the fence about maybe commissioning someone to modify a sgt jovan into a not Primaris, but a scaled up and better proportioned tycho. I’ve felt for a while now that there’s a similarity in the attitude of jovans pose to the old tycho model that would suit with the proper sculpting and swapping the helmet for a combi melta.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

I think I’m going to pop an SG head on the SGV sgt, painting him gold and have him pull double duty as Tycho 

[Jolemai]

A lot of people elsewhere are under the impression Tycho will go Legends when our Codex arrives. Might be worth waiting until then just in case.