Wild Speculation on this summer's Space Marine Releases?

[Marshal Mittens]

We know more Marines are coming this summer, but not many rumors on what they are. 

 

What if your wild speculation on what we might see?

 

For me, I think a multipart Sternguard squad, a multipart ballistius dread, a kit of tyranid veterans, and jump marines with some jump marine officers. Maybe also multipart outriders, with options as we get 3-6 now. 

[ZeroWolf]

There is rumours about Terminator characters, like Chaplain, Librarian etc and maybe a multipart Captain.

 

If we do get the jump pack primaris (which have been said to have been done for a good while) then we might even get options like Jump pack Librarian or Chaplain but im decidedly less sure on them.

 

Though I wonder if they'll go back and give us any new characters in plastic?

 

Also worth noting that it looks increasingly likely that we'll get new Scouts by way of Kill Team.

[Xanthous]

I wonder if the widely suspected Primaris jump pack troops will be Vanguard Veterans, to go with the Sternguard. I feel like jump assault intercessors wouldn't be interesting enough on their own, and I think that it'd be weird to do one type of veteran and not the other.

[Marshal Reinhard]

Sternguard mpk. Terminator mpk. Maybe assault terminators? Terminator chaplain. Mpk of the ballistus? 

 

Individual releases of the agastus kits.

 

Jump pack primaris.

 

Scout kill team come autumn

[Gamiel]

Chapter spedefic Primaris Lieutenants for the White Scars, Salamanders and Raven Guard

[Felix Antipodes]

New set(s) of Chapter shoulder guards (both normal right & Deathwatch left profiles) for various marks and terminators is what I’d like to see.  We will probably get a couple more Primaris lieutenants. 

[Tacitus]

I know GW is often pretty dumb, but even they're not dumb enough to come out with new Shoulderpads when all their recent kits have pre-molded not replaceable pads.  If we're lucky they come out with the "hard transfers" the 3D Printers are making - a little resin bit you glue onto the existing shoulder pad creating a raised detail you can paint - it works on both the individual pads and the pre-molded ones. 

 

As for what I expect/hope to see?

Expect:

Primaris/Redemptor Bjorn, Furiosos/Death Company dreads -within a couple editions the Brutalis will become BA/SW specific and.or Legends.

Primaris Company Command Squad (will have a toned down Apothecary/Ancient/Champion) - hopefully but unlikely would be 2 models that can be assembled as either Sternguard or Bladeguard Veterans, then add 3 mini-heroes to make them work somewhat to the original company command. 

Primaris Gravitynators - we've got Primaris Flamers, Primaris Melters, and Primaris Missileers, and Primaris Plasmers.  We're still missing the Primaris massers.   I wonder if they'll have a naming competition.  Dibs on Primaris Massassinators if they do. 

 

Primaris Sicarius (the Sternguard cross over)

Primaris Cassius (Again Sternguard)

Finally:

The Primaris Left-Handed Lieutenant.  This Lieutenant raided the armory for everything the other lieutenants can take, but he's a southpaw!

 

Hope

Primaris Assault/Vanguard Vet paralell.

Generic Terminator command squad for First Company Captains

A primaris "Rhino" equivalent - few guns, 10+ transport capacity

Gravis Lieutenant (because the Gravis Apothecary needs to be a healer)

Primaris Bike Captain

Primaris Bike Lieutenant

 

Rules Updates I expect/hope?

 

Adding Chaplain (and potentially even Libby for the Blood Ravens and Blood Angels) to the Lieutenant Secondary Leader blurb - Fluff says each company is led by One Cap, One Chap, two LT's - and once upon a time when they were introduced the Cap and the Chap were each assigned one LT in the Command Squad Force Org thing-a-ma-bob.  Don't just half-way it with the Judiciar being the "Chap LT" because he's not also First Born.

 

Moving the Infernusators to get Battle Line and +1OC - they kind of need it and it really really fits.

 

Cutting WAY back on the rails used to limit which characters can join which squads. 

 

Restoring the ability for LEADERS to switch squads mid game.

 

Giving LEADERS the LONE OPERATIVE ability when they aren't leading a squad - ie the Bodyguard unit is destroyed, or the character leaves it by moving out of coherency "At the start of the next phase/Command Phase/whatever this LEADER is now a LONE OPERATIVE." 

 

Allow Precision to pierce LONE OPERATIVE protections. 

 

 

[ZeroWolf]

13 hours ago, Xanthous said:

I wonder if the widely suspected Primaris jump pack troops will be Vanguard Veterans, to go with the Sternguard. I feel like jump assault intercessors wouldn't be interesting enough on their own, and I think that it'd be weird to do one type of veteran and not the other.

The kit could easily do both.

[Blindhamster]

31 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

The kit could easily do both.

 

Dont really agree there.

 

Look at bladeguard compared to other primaris, same for sternguard. I can't see vanguard being any less blinged up, whereas the base assault squad equivalent is likely to be clean like most other tacticus units tend to be.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

2 hours ago, Blindhamster said:

 

Dont really agree there.

 

Look at bladeguard compared to other primaris, same for sternguard. I can't see vanguard being any less blinged up, whereas the base assault squad equivalent is likely to be clean like most other tacticus units tend to be.

 

I've had the expectatation for a while now that one of those squads is going to be in the Shrike-pattern Phobos armor as a further differentiator. They didn't create that specific Phobos jump pattern just for Shrike and I very much doubt the inevitable squad kit will be locked to the Raven Guard either. I always figured they'd be a VV-equivalent but not necessarily true Vanguard Vets or even veterans for that matter. With the Sternguard update though, Primaris Vanguard Vets are sure to follow. And even though Phobos is a "weaker" armor, it does make narrative sense that jumpy veterans would prefer it to the bulkier Tacticus.

 

Meanwhile, the rank-and-file Jump Assault Primaris probably will be in modified Tacticus.

 

And then at some point we'll hopefully see an MPK Suppressor kit. There's not really any reason for any other jump squad to wear Omnis, given that it was constructed specifically to give Suppressors a solid base to fire their heavier weapons from. For anyone else the added bulk and hit to maneuverability would be a dealbreaker.

 

So three different squad kits, each with a different armor pattern (for a total of four, counting the Inceptors).

 

Not that I expect any of those aside from the new Jump Assault squad this edition.

[Tacitus]

10 minutes ago, Lord Nord said:

 

I've had the expectatation for a while now that one of those squads is going to be in the Shrike-pattern Phobos armor as a further differentiator. They didn't create that specific Phobos jump pattern just for Shrike and I very much doubt the inevitable squad kit will be locked to the Raven Guard either. I always figured they'd be a VV-equivalent but not necessarily true Vanguard Vets or even veterans for that matter. With the Sternguard update though, Primaris Vanguard Vets are sure to follow. And even though Phobos is a "weaker" armor, it does make narrative sense that jumpy veterans would prefer it to the bulkier Tacticus.

 

Meanwhile, the rank-and-file Jump Assault Primaris probably will be in modified Tacticus.

 

And then at some point we'll hopefully see an MPK Suppressor kit. There's not really any reason for any other jump squad to wear Omnis, given that it was constructed specifically to give Suppressors a solid base to fire their heavier weapons from. For anyone else the added bulk and hit to maneuverability would be a dealbreaker.

 

So three different squad kits, each with a different armor pattern (for a total of four, counting the Inceptors).

 

Not that I expect any of those aside from the new Jump Assault squad this edition.

What if the Primaris Vanguard Vets are in Flying Gravis like the Inceptors just to make Shrike stand out even more?  And because they're more easily copy-pasta'ed and given replacement arms for choppy things instead of shooty things.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

Gravis would be completely antithetical to maneuverability and melee combat. The Inceptors wear it to survive atmospheric entry. It would be an impediment to any other squad.

[Tacitus]

It worked for Terminators - and you want to give those veterans extra protection.  The tough part is giving Primaris Vanguard Vets TH/SS and/or 2LC without actually giving them TH/SS and/or 2LC.   But who wouldn't love flying assault terminators?   Honestly they're probably not coming this edition.  They've been dragging their heels on it for a long long time after Primaris Shrike.  Now that we have Primaris Dante its even more overdue.  And don't forget we're looking at needing a Primaris replacement for Sanguinary Guard as well. 

 

Edit to Add:  I'm still pretty much shocked they haven't just ret-con'ed the Reivers that have Grave Chutes and Grapnels to count as Jump Packs - making them the Assault Marines of Primaris land.  Its such a simple thing.

Edited June 26, 2023 by Tacitus

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

14 minutes ago, Tacitus said:

It worked for Terminators - and you want to give those veterans extra protection.  The tough part is giving Primaris Vanguard Vets TH/SS and/or 2LC without actually giving them TH/SS and/or 2LC.   But who wouldn't love flying assault terminators?   Honestly they're probably not coming this edition.  They've been dragging their heels on it for a long long time after Primaris Shrike.  Now that we have Primaris Dante its even more overdue.  And don't forget we're looking at needing a Primaris replacement for Sanguinary Guard as well. 

 

Edit to Add:  I'm still pretty much shocked they haven't just ret-con'ed the Reivers that have Grave Chutes and Grapnels to count as Jump Packs - making them the Assault Marines of Primaris land.  Its such a simple thing.

 

I'm sorry. I thought we were being serious. Carry on. I'm sure whenever you get around to the punchline, it will be hilarious.

[Orange Knight]

My predictions are:

 

-Multipart Sternguard 

-Multipart Terminators (not the Assault ones yet)

-Multipart Ballistus Dread with different weapons

-Primaris Jump Pack Unit

-Primaris Scouts

-Some new characters 

 

[Tacitus]

3 hours ago, Lord Nord said:

 

I'm sorry. I thought we were being serious. Carry on. I'm sure whenever you get around to the punchline, it will be hilarious.

I can do both, even while remembering neither your nor my own idea of what is physically and technologically feasible in a science fictional universe 38,000 years from now is more or less correct than anyone else's unless they're the ones writing the universe.   If and when the Jump-Fight models are released and if and when it does turn out they created a heavily armored jump fighter because they have historically avoided duplicating first born units into primaris units until they squatted Firstborn Sternguard for Primaris Sternguard will you let me know how funny it is?

[Tacitus]

2 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

My predictions are:

 

-Multipart Sternguard 

-Multipart Terminators (not the Assault ones yet)

-Multipart Ballistus Dread with different weapons

-Primaris Jump Pack Unit

-Primaris Scouts

-Some new characters 

 

I think we get Terminator Squads just like they were in the Leviathan box before we get Terminator Assault Squads, but we get Terminator Assault Squads before most of the rest of that list.  The size difference is just too big between old and new models for them to leave it out there too long.   I'm not sure we're getting Primaris Scouts at all - we already have Phobos, and we have no fluff that I'm aware of that suggests a Primaris Scout and a First born Scout are any different than the T4 S4, 2W, WS#+BS3+ only difference being a 4+ armor save because they're in carapace scout we already have.   We may see a new kit, but I imagine it'll be Primaris/Firstborn neutral.   They'll be taller because all the models are taller now.

[Xanthous]

I think Primaris scout is largely non-literal, people are just referring to updated scouts in the vein of the Black Templars neophytes. The Infernus squad took the pyreblasters from that kit, it stands to reason that they'd also give the neophytes to the rest of the adeptus astartes eventually. I do wonder how they'd work though, since their previous niche has been largely taken over by Vanguard marines, as @Tacitus says. I'd hope they wouldn't just be loyalist cultists.

[Tacitus]

8 hours ago, Xanthous said:

I think Primaris scout is largely non-literal, people are just referring to updated scouts in the vein of the Black Templars neophytes. The Infernus squad took the pyreblasters from that kit, it stands to reason that they'd also give the neophytes to the rest of the adeptus astartes eventually. I do wonder how they'd work though, since their previous niche has been largely taken over by Vanguard marines, as @Tacitus says. I'd hope they wouldn't just be loyalist cultists.

Tabletop not fluff role - One would assume Primaris Marines don't step out of the bacta tank fully formed, and Phobos Marines are normal marines donning stealthy armor in the main companies not the 10th "Scout" Company.  There's room for scouts and Phobos.  I could see them releasing new scouts for the size change, but I don't see a weapons change - it'd just be Tactical vs Intercessor as Scout vs Phobos.

[Gamiel]

If they did update the scouts would I love there to be upgrade kits, or alternativer builds, or just alternative boxes, that come with puffsleeves, like they have in some of the old art.

[Felix Antipodes]

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I know GW is often pretty dumb, but even they're not dumb enough to come out with new Shoulderpads when all their recent kits have pre-molded not replaceable pads.  If we're lucky they come out with the "hard transfers" the 3D Printers are making - a little resin bit you glue onto the existing shoulder pad creating a raised detail you can paint - it works on both the individual pads and the pre-molded ones.

 

Was being a bit tongue in cheek (but would still like to see them - I have a lot of older models I cold use them on).  I’ve used the resin “hard transfers” a few times but find it a bit fiddly for my old fat fingers.  I’ve always considered the GW preference for pre-moulded pads of late to be a bit of a two fingers to the strangeways sellers, but that may be giving them too much credit.

[Tacitus]

I had a chemistry kit when I was kid that had a tweezers forceps kind of thing that I still had floating around and I use it and love it - it helps building the models too, espcially the new trend of stick this peg on a right angle to another peg coming out the head into a socket on the back plate/legs/torso bits. 

something like these: 

https://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Tweezers-Serrated-Multipurpose-Repairing/dp/B07ZX31VK8/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1RFDE5V73646O&keywords=forceps+tweezers&qid=1687943070&sprefix=forceps+tweezers%2Caps%2C160&sr=8-4

[Blindhamster]

i dont get the talk of pre-molded pads?

The only marine kits where pads are part of the arms, are easy build kits, and for those its not a new trend, they've literally done that since 2nd edition. Which MPKs have that issue?

on the broader main topic.

I am very much looking forward to the MPKs for terminators and  hopefully sternguard.

I am even more interested to see what the rumoured jump infantry will be like, I'm assuming very similar to the images from space marine 2 and it'll literally be assault intercessors with jump packs, with options remaining the same but a distinct special rule.

The rumours of an MPK captain are exciting too. Hope that turns out to be true, even if I already have plenty of captains haha

[ZeroWolf]

2 hours ago, Blindhamster said:

i dont get the talk of pre-molded pads?

The only marine kits where pads are part of the arms, are easy build kits, and for those its not a new trend, they've literally done that since 2nd edition. Which MPKs have that issue?

on the broader main topic.

I am very much looking forward to the MPKs for terminators and  hopefully sternguard.

I am even more interested to see what the rumoured jump infantry will be like, I'm assuming very similar to the images from space marine 2 and it'll literally be assault intercessors with jump packs, with options remaining the same but a distinct special rule.

The rumours of an MPK captain are exciting too. Hope that turns out to be true, even if I already have plenty of captains haha

I'd say look at Dante's jump pack for what may lie in store for primaris jump packs I'd say.

[Blindhamster]

21 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

I'd say look at Dante's jump pack for what may lie in store for primaris jump packs I'd say.

Yeah his is the same as the ones from the space marine 2 promo art. The only difference is they have little thrusters on their legs too.