10e Sanguinary Priest vs. Libby with Jump pack

[Djangomatic82]

Anyone else notice that the both jumpack versions of the Sanguinary Priest (110 points) and Librarian (75 points) provide the same buffs of Ap-1, a  FnP and attach to the same units?

[Khorneeq]

They are very similar but not the same

Both grant -1 to AP

Sanguinary Priest gives 5+ FnP and Librarian 4+ FnP but only against Psychic Attacks

So its up to You, better protection but with limits or lower but with wider range

[Karhedron]

They look pretty similar in terms of buffs but the Libby has a better melee weapon (Force Weapon is significantly better than a Chainsword) and is also 35 Points cheaper. I am trying to decide if the 5++ against everything is worth the extra 35 points. I suspect it might be as it effectively increases the durability of the unit by around 50%.

[Paladin777]

The jump librarian seems like the discount option who trades FNP for the squad for better melee and a decent shooting attack. 

 

Keep both in your collection and use whichever one fits the bill for the intended use/what you've got the points for!
 

I've posted this elsewhere, but I think that you need to take the actual leader unit's combat prowess into account when measuring what their buffs are worth. The Libby's combat prowess is slightly better than a VVet, with an extra 2 wounds and solid shooting attack so I put his raw stats at around 35 points as compared to the VV's 26).

 

This would mean his buffs (extra pip of AP plus a 4+ FNP against psychic) cost 40 points for the squad (75 minus the 35 for his raw stats). This further breaks down into 6.6 points per model for a squad of 5 (plus Libby), or 3.6 per model for a squad of 10.

 

Moving on to the Sanguinary Priest.
 

Buffs aside, a SP has the exact same offensive and defensive profile as a regular assault marine, only with 4 wounds. A 5man assault squad is 115 points, so after adjusting for for special weapons/wargear, I think it's safe to say that a vanilla assault marine is 20 points. Let's give the priest an extra 5 points for the extra wounds for a total of 25.

 

This would mean that the sanguinary priest's buffs (extra pip of AP plus a 5+ FNP against everything) cost 85 points (110 points, minus the contribution of his raw stats). This breaks down to a whopping 14.1 points on a squad of 5 (plus priest), or a decently more palatable 7.7 on a squad of 10 (also including SP).

 

One thing the priest does have over the Libby is that a squad with a priest can also take a captain, whereas a squad with a Libby can't. 

 

@Karhedron Whether each or either is worth it or not is up to the individual, your particular meta, and how many points you have to play with. I really don't think the priest is worth it on a squad of 5 VV's or RAS's, but certainly could be in a big squad of VV's with storm shields for some serious durability. I think the libby can be worth taking in a squad of either 5 VV's or RAS's, and is kind of a no-brainer in squads of 10 if you're not taking the priest (especially with the VV's being locked into AP-1 weapons), but YMMV.

 

Edit: I just double checked the SP, and he's got an additional attack and a 2+ weapons skill of a vanilla ASM, making him a little better in melee than my original estimate. I'm not redoing my math, but since his raw stats are a smidgen better, the relative cost of his buffs would come down a little. Maybe a point per model in a squad of 5 and a half point per model in a squad of 10.

Edited July 2, 2023 by Paladin777