what would happen if a normal marine overcame the rage?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

so we know calistarius became mephiston when he overcame the black rage, and became the most powerful psyker the chapter has likely ever seen...but what if a normal brother were to accomplish this feat? would they become physically more powerful?

[Blindhamster]

we really don't know, it could be possible that only psychically gifted marines CAN overcome it. Till GW writes something, we have nothing to go on

[Paladin777]

It's also rumored that Mephy bonded with Sanguinius' 'dark spirit,' so that's definitely a thing to consider when talking about how he 'overcame' the black rage.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

3 hours ago, Paladin777 said:

It's also rumored that Mephy bonded with Sanguinius' 'dark spirit,' so that's definitely a thing to consider when talking about how he 'overcame' the black rage.

Rumored where?

[Karhedron]

3 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Rumored where?

 

Darkness In The Blood. Mephiston goes on a sort of vision quest while he is "dead" as part of the Primaris upgrade procedure. The sequence implies that Mephiston is a sort of psychic bulwark holding the Black Rage in check. As long as he can hold out, the rest of the Chapter can too. Although how much of it is literal and how much is metaphorical is open to debate.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

15 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

Darkness In The Blood. Mephiston goes on a sort of vision quest while he is "dead" as part of the Primaris upgrade procedure. The sequence implies that Mephiston is a sort of psychic bulwark holding the Black Rage in check. As long as he can hold out, the rest of the Chapter can too. Although how much of it is literal and how much is metaphorical is open to debate.

1. That’s not a rumor

2. The angel/spirit gives him the option to accept the responsibility, at that time so being the ‘dark’ side of sanguinius has nothing to do with overcoming the black rage.

[Helias_Tancred]

He'd instantly skip a few ranks and arrive at the company command position? lol.

 

 

[Arkangilos]

On 7/3/2023 at 5:45 PM, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

1. That’s not a rumor

2. The angel/spirit gives him the option to accept the responsibility, at that time so being the ‘dark’ side of sanguinius has nothing to do with overcoming the black rage.

I think he is saying it’s rumored because it’s a vision and therefore not entirely reliable. In fact, that’s a consistently said thing about psychic visions, their unreliability.

[Xenith]

Probably gain +1S, T and A. 

 

I think conquering the rage allows the BA to tap fully into the Red Thirst without the risk to their souls that normally accompanies it, with the rage being some form of moral trial which then imbues them with the spirit of Sanguinius, essentially like a mark of Chaos. But good. 

 

Note that the Pre-heresy Blood Angels did not suffer from the rage, so could go almost all-out with the thirst, and they still were not super-marines as it were, so any benefit to overcoming the rage is purely a result of Sangy being dead.

 

The other alternative is that it's not possible for a non-Psyker to conquer the rage, and it was only Mephiston's connection to the warp and extensive mental training and resistance gained from that, which allowed him to conquer the rage and 'commune' with Sanguinius. The best any non-psychic brother could do would be to remain lucid under the rage, a la Lemartes.