Shadowspear Inspired Army

[mel_danes]

I've got a pretty good amount of Phobos Armor infantry. I like the idea of a forward operations disruption force, sabotaging enemy facilities, misdirecting resources and generally being a nuisance.

 

Using the Shadowspear contents as a baseline I'm working on what other units to add. Including outriders as they kind of fit, Warsuits are an obvious choice.

 

This is the Army I've come up with so far, using units I already own. I've got another box of infiltrators I could build either way, which would take me right to 2000 pts.

 

I know it's not competitive, I'm looking more for theme.

 

What do you think, add, remove, replace, what would you do?

 

Shadowspear  (1820 points)
Space Marines
Ultramarines
Strike Force (2000 points)
Gladius Task Force

CHARACTER

Captain in Phobos Armour (80 points)
  • Warlord
  • 1x Bolt Pistol
    1x Combat knife
    1x Instigator bolt carbine

Chaplain on Bike (80 points)
  • 1x Absolvor bolt pistol
    1x Crozius arcanum
    1x Twin bolt rifle

Librarian in Phobos Armour (75 points)
  • 1x Bolt pistol
    1x Force weapon
    1x Smite

Lieutenant in Phobos Armour (60 points)
  • 1x Bolt Pistol
    1x Master-crafted scoped bolt carbine
    1x Paired combat blades

Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (80 points)
  • 1x Combi-weapon
    1x Paired combat blades

OTHER DATASHEETS

Eliminator Squad (95 points)
  • 1x Eliminator Sergeant
    • 1x Bolt pistol
      1x Bolt sniper rifle
      1x Close combat weapon
  • 2x Eliminator
    • 2x Bolt pistol
      2x Bolt sniper rifle
      2x Close combat weapon

Eliminator Squad (95 points)
  • 1x Eliminator Sergeant
    • 1x Bolt pistol
      1x Close combat weapon
      1x Las fusil
  • 2x Eliminator
    • 2x Bolt pistol
      2x Close combat weapon
      2x Las fusil

Incursor Squad (90 points)
  • 1x Incursor Sergeant
    • 1x Bolt pistol
      1x Occulus bolt carbine
      1x Paired combat blades
  • 4x Incursor
    • 4x Bolt pistol
      4x Occulus bolt carbine
      4x Paired combat blades

Incursor Squad (90 points)
  • 1x Incursor Sergeant
    • 1x Bolt pistol
      1x Occulus bolt carbine
      1x Paired combat blades
  • 4x Incursor
    • 4x Bolt pistol
      4x Occulus bolt carbine
      4x Paired combat blades

Infiltrator Squad (180 points)
  • 1x Infiltrator Sergeant
    • 1x Bolt pistol
      1x Close combat weapon
      1x Marksman bolt carbine
  • 9x Infiltrator
    • 9x Bolt pistol
      9x Close combat weapon
      1x Helix Gauntlet
      9x Marksman bolt carbine

Invictor Tactical Warsuit (160 points)
  • 1x Fragstorm grenade launcher
    1x Heavy bolter
    1x Invictor fist
    1x Twin ironhail autocannon
    1x Twin ironhail heavy stubber

Invictor Tactical Warsuit (160 points)
  • 1x Fragstorm grenade launcher
    1x Heavy bolter
    1x Incendium cannon
    1x Invictor fist
    1x Twin ironhail heavy stubber

Outrider Squad (195 points)
  • 1x Outrider Sergeant
    • 1x Astartes chainsword
      1x Heavy bolt pistol
      1x Twin bolt rifle
  • 2x Outrider
    • 2x Astartes chainsword
      2x Heavy bolt pistol
      2x Twin bolt rifle
  • 1x Invader ATV
    • 1x Close combat weapon
      1x Heavy bolt pistol
      1x Onslaught gatling cannon
      1x Twin bolt rifle

Reiver Squad (95 points)
  • 1x Reiver Sergeant
    • 1x Bolt carbine
      1x Reiver Grav-chute
      1x Special issue bolt pistol
  • 4x Reiver
    • 4x Bolt carbine
      4x Reiver Grav-chute
      4x Special issue bolt pistol

Reiver Squad (190 points)
  • 1x Reiver Sergeant
    • 1x Combat knife
      1x Grapnel Launcher
      1x Special issue bolt pistol
  • 9x Reiver
    • 9x Combat knife
      9x Grapnel Launcher
      9x Special issue bolt pistol

Suppressor Squad (95 points)
  • 1x Suppressor Sergeant
    • 1x Accelerator autocannon
      1x Bolt pistol
      1x Close combat weapon
  • 2x Suppressor
    • 2x Accelerator autocannon
      2x Bolt pistol
      2x Close combat weapon
 

Edited July 20, 2023 by mel_danes

[CCE1981]

It would help if you included a bit about how you intend to play.  

 

I am unsure about Eliminators, they can still be targeted at long range and are very fragile, Sniper Scouts however can't be targeted outside of 12" and your Phobos Captain can still attach to them, giving him protection as well.

 

Attach the Phobos Lt to your big Reiver Squad, and give them Grav-Chutes, this gives them an effective 3d6" charge, with two available re-rolls.  Also drop the 5-man unit.

 

Suppressors aren't that good, even for 95 pts.  

 

You lack anti-tank weapons, Phobos centric just doesn't have the needed anti-tank that is needed.  Something that you can do, is set up your army to avoid being shot until you are ready for it.  Strategic reserves, Deep Striking Storm Speeders, that sort of thing will help.

[sonsoftaurus]

Sounds fun!

 

If you are ok with not full primaris, Scouts fit the theme, and regular bikers could replace outriders while bringing some melta. 
 

Not phobos, but Inceptors could fit the idea, drop behind lines, fast. 

[Dracos]

I feel this army needs a full three squads of las-fusil and as much as I’m not a fan of them Storm Speeders (I’m all about Primaris but boxnaughts and landspeeders are my jam) for anti-tank and monster. 

I’ve used Eliminators (not in 10e yet) and always found them to be super durable for their point cost. 

[CCE1981]

11 minutes ago, Dracos said:

I feel this army needs a full three squads of las-fusil and as much as I’m not a fan of them Storm Speeders (I’m all about Primaris but boxnaughts and landspeeders are my jam) for anti-tank and monster. 

I’ve used Eliminators (not in 10e yet) and always found them to be super durable for their point cost. 

Unfortunately in 10th they lost 2 points of armor.  One, you can only get +1 to your save from cover, and two you can't improve your save beyond 3+ with cover.

[mel_danes]

My initial intent was to keep it to Primaris units only. I did not expect it to be a good all comers list, more theme than utility knife.

 

Like Terminators, once we get new scouts they will be viable Primaris units too.

I've got a full 10 man unit of sniper scouts, which were cheap as chips last I looked. I play Ultras and own Telion as well. Missile launcher or HB good here, or just straight snipers?

 

On that front I have even more bolter scouts, and two landspeeder transports for them.

 

Are the new Primaris speeders good?

[Tacitus]

Sniper Scouts have to go ML.   On the bright side, Telion makes the ML Precision if you want it. 

[mel_danes]

6 hours ago, Tacitus said:

Telion makes the ML Precision if you want it. 

Nice. I've not gone over the first born index cards, so I'm woefully ignorant of their abilities.

 

ML embedded in a large Lone Operative unit of snipers. Split fire into other units or really double down on killing characters?

 

I've not used my scouts in near a decade.

[Tacitus]

8 hours ago, mel_danes said:

Nice. I've not gone over the first born index cards, so I'm woefully ignorant of their abilities.

 

ML embedded in a large Lone Operative unit of snipers. Split fire into other units or really double down on killing characters?

 

I've not used my scouts in near a decade.

Most of the time?  Neither.  They're defensive stalwarts, with good but not great guns.  They can hurt Rank And File, but trying to snipe is still a losing game most of the time.  The Eldar-ish Toughness characters can get boned by them - especially if they lack an invuln.  But when you start getting into Terminator Captains, and such you're just too far behind the curve to keep up, let alone the actual monsters. 

 

Telion + 10 Snipers  9 Sniper rifles,  7 ish hits, 1 6+ - vs T 4 is about 3.5-4.5 Woundings.   3+-2 saves 1/3 of those, or 4++ to save half  3.5 to 4.5 damage leaves half a wound left on a generic Space Marine Captain - and Telion and/or the Missile Launcher will finish him off. 

 

9 Rifles vs T6 Marneus Calgar: 7ish hit, 2ish wound. 1 damages for two - MAYBE - and then he FNP's at least one away. 

 

9 Rifles vs 10 Tactical Marines.  7ish hits, 3.5 to 4.5 woundings,  a third save, 2/3's are dead marines - 

 

9 Rifles vs Roboute Guilliman.  None, zip, nada.  He's a Lone Operative standing next to a bunch of also (effectively) Lone Operative (I call it super stealth) Infiltrators and Precision does not counter Lone Operative. 

 

9 rifles vs T11 Angron - 7ish hit.  1ish woundings.  Half a save for 1 damage maybe. 

 

Sniping itself is actually worse this edition than last edition, even though the sniper rifles themselves may be just a skosh better.