duz_ Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 VM's kick-starter is live! Some awesome looking RR alternatives I've already pledged for a 5 man unit of Van Diemens, might do more at the end. There's 5 different designs. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/victoriaminiatures/project-warhorse-rough-rider-miniatures Gamiel and Emperor Ming 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 I see one of the variants and all I can see are Tanith 1st Rough Riders (yes, that is the coolest thing you've ever heard.) I've always wanted to try to make a Tanith IG army and now I'm even more tempted. Santaclauswitz and duz_ 1 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted July 25, 2023 Author Share Posted July 25, 2023 19 minutes ago, librisrouge said: I've always wanted to try to make a Tanith IG army and now I'm even more tempted Do it! I actually have a silly 10th list I might build that includes GG and mimic a certain book with lots of air support librisrouge 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Ming Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 I'm tempted, never backed a Kickstarter b4, I like and dislike the new gw rr My main gripe is the half caparison, it looks like half a bedsheet over the horse Whats siocast, is it like half resin and half plastic, why not just all plastic? and if the answer is, well its cheaper, those aint cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted July 26, 2023 Author Share Posted July 26, 2023 Tbh I'm not sure, there's some pictures of the prototype casts on her fb page when she went to a large event recently. They look pretty good You can also just do the stl files and have them 3D printed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Bastone Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 I just finished painting my VM Ogryns and i love them. I was able to pick up a free Lady Creedence and lady commissar with them (plus ratlings). I generally really like GW's models but sometimes they can be ugly and overpriced (Ogryns) or good models and absurdly priced (Commissars, Creed). duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenScorpion Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 5 hours ago, Emperor Ming said: Whats siocast, is it like half resin and half plastic, why not just all plastic? From what I have seen mentioned in other forums Siocast is apparently a form of nylon based plastic that has properties similar to resin miniatures in terms of detail but depending on the formula can be closer to PVC in terms of hardness. It is cast using a process similar to the plastic injection for HIPS miniatures but with a lower mould cost. I have seen it being used in many crowdfunding campaigns so far, but I have not bought any siocast miniatures myself so I am not sure if what is said is true or not, but most people seem to like the material, although it is certainly not the same as working with HIPS (likely closer to working with Resin or PVC). duz_ and Emperor Ming 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santaclauswitz Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 13 hours ago, Emperor Ming said: I'm tempted, never backed a Kickstarter b4, I like and dislike the new gw rr My main gripe is the half caparison, it looks like half a bedsheet over the horse Whats siocast, is it like half resin and half plastic, why not just all plastic? and if the answer is, well its cheaper, those aint cheap Ooh err, I've had a quick look at siocast and hope I can give you a rough idea of differences in manufacture. Before I start I have to say that I'm not an expert in injection moulding, I just worked for a company that did it's own moulding with something like 20 machines. So if you want to make a million parts a year you're going to be injection moulding. The machines are massive and expensive to buy. They were also incredibly expensive in terms of electricity to use. The moulds we used were great big chunks of metal that need a forklift or overhead crane to maneuver into position for tool changes. The tools were not made in house and at the time we were told that the bigger moulds we were using cost around £50,000 a time. They also would need maintaining/repairing. The plastic was in 6ft tall hexi bins on a pallet each weighing over a tonne. All of this takes space so you're going to need a factory to put it in. You'll also be employing a lot of people so you're going to need office staff such as human resources to legally run your company. It's the economy of scale in effect, even though you need a lot of up front resources you'll make it back in time because it's the cheapest, quickest, mosy efficient way to mass produce plastic. I've always fancied having a go at hand casting. Though in terms of the mass market it's an absolute dead end because it's far too slow and involves to much handling. Also I'll have to get hands on with substances which I don't know much about so I'll probably be needing some ppe. Then you've got 3d printing which costs a lot less to setup than injection moulding. It's a lot easier to do than hand casting but is immensely slow so not really great for mass or even medium production. Also the resin is a bit toxic so I'd probably want more ppe. So I've had a brief look at this new proccesss. The proccesss of making a mould looks a lot cheaper and quicker than in injection moulding. Also it's apparently a lot nicer to work with than resin. So it looks like a good solution for a smaller company, such as Victoria miniatures, for producing a few thousand miniatures per year. Hopefully this helps a little. The only outlier in 3rd party in my eyes is wargames Atlantic. They seem to be using standard injection moulding. Which is why they're the only 3rd party that is significantly cheaper than GW. I love their products but I'm struggling buying what I want and I also note that they've got dozens of unreleased products on their website. I'm guessing they're having trouble actually making enough product. Probably a lack of capacity. Emperor Ming, duz_, Sergeant Bastone and 1 other 1 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Ming Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 Thanks for the info, that's really informative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted August 7, 2023 Author Share Posted August 7, 2023 A little bit of info on the manufacturer Santaclauswitz and librisrouge 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted August 12, 2023 Author Share Posted August 12, 2023 Not Cadian rough riders unlocked. These look pretty awesome. Maybe even @elmomight consider them? Bonehead 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonehead Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 Pledged for a few squads of the non-cadians to go along with my VM army. Pretty pleased with the prospect. duz_ and Sergeant Bastone 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casb1965 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Would love to mix and match heads and bodies, the van Diemen heads on border ranger bodies would look great. Bonehead 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonehead Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 You can always buy the van Diemen heads from the webstore separately and add them on. Or failing that, just wait for the whole deal to end up on the webstore- the last kickstarter did and I'm pretty sure this one will. duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted September 1, 2023 Author Share Posted September 1, 2023 On 8/30/2023 at 1:19 PM, casb1965 said: Would love to mix and match heads and bodies, the van Diemen heads on border ranger bodies would look great. Most of VM stuff you can In fact the backer kit let you buy sets of heads just for that. Bonehead 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Bastone Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Do they have a painting guide anywhere? They all look great and i want those colors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 Good question, I'm not sure. If you hit them up on the KS or their FB page they're usually pretty responsive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mertbl Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Files look great on my PC. Resin shows up today, can't wait to print some. duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 I need to create an account so I can download my files I also ordered some cast ones too, the files just seemed like a good add-on idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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