Arks of Omen...

[Professor]

Hello all, I've found myself back in the game and curious about much of the great material we have at our disposal. 

Are the supplements like Arks of Omen and Crusade compatible with 10th edition, or is there a plan to release updated versions of each. 

I thought about buying all of the 9th edition books, just to have, and maybe play with friends here and there. Mostly to be able to use these source books and have compatible rules. 

Any thoughts? 

[Focslain]

So boarding action has remained mostly intact. There are a few modifications to muster and enhancements. Those can be found free on WarCom, just make sure you have UK EN selected. 

 

As for crusade, that has be reset, the newest campaign is Leviathan, which the book is out already or if you got the 10th ed starter Leviathan then it's included that that book as well. Main thing with crusade is that the only universal Battle Traits are Weapon Enhancements. The rest are campaign specific. Leviathan has stuff for all units, though Walkers have a tree set of options for this campaign. 

[Bouargh]

It is a tricky question. Since 10th release, material that can be downloaded from WarCom indicates that Ark of Omen material is compatible with 10th. Probably that it has been designed with 10th in mind.... anyway, it exhibits a specific type of game - boarding actions. So it is a variant of 40k quite distinct from open battle field games.

 

As far as I am concerned, I would not invest however. Why? First the lore it brings is a kind of story going -n but development ends on a cliffhanger. Unresolved. Most is available in Lexicanum or so on. Second, it is supported but for how long? Third, it requires investing in terrain to build up a table that reproduce corridors of space ships. It is an investiment in time, money or both, depending of the source of terrain.

 

To have a good play with friends, I would instead go to Kill Team or Necromunda. Still 40k, in specific conditions, but quite good games for casual involvment on budget

 

Edited August 2, 2023 by Bouargh
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[DemonGSides]

1 hour ago, Professor said:

Hello all, I've found myself back in the game and curious about much of the great material we have at our disposal. 

Are the supplements like Arks of Omen and Crusade compatible with 10th edition, or is there a plan to release updated versions of each. 

I thought about buying all of the 9th edition books, just to have, and maybe play with friends here and there. Mostly to be able to use these source books and have compatible rules. 

Any thoughts? 

 

I think, with some balancing, most of the 9th ed crusade stuff can port forward pretty easily.  I don't think it's worth throwing away all that great material just cuz the edition number changed, especially when the basic rules of the game are so very similar.  As long as you can have a conversation with your play group, you should be able to easily make the case that Crusade stuff SHOULD be brought forward, until a new codex updates them to fully integrate into 10th.

I wouldn't go out and buy every codex to make that happen, but thankfully there's lots of online resources just to get that crusade content.

[ThePenitentOne]

9th ed Crusade falls down in 10th in the places where it intersects with core rules. So as an example, EVERY dex contained a requisition that allowed you to apply the "Chapter Master" equivalent upgrade, as well as rules that said you could only include a character with that upgrade in an army if you used the requisition to purchase it.

 

Those upgrades no longer exist, so there's no way to build an equivalent.

 

We used to use RP to purchase requisition strats, which in Crusade became permanent effects.

 

Requisition strats no longer exist.

 

Many Drukhari raid points, requisitions and territory rules interact with the progressive-turn Power from Pain mechanics or combat drugs... Neither of which exist now.

 

And the list goes on. Once I see the Tyranid dex, I'll know whether or not Crusade can save 10th. But until then, we don't have enough information to tell us whether or not Crusade will get anywhere near what it was in 9th. Quite frankly, I'm skeptical: actions no longer exist, so Agendas are automatically less diverse; the psychic phase is gone, so the psychic mastery battle honours are gone; subfaction identity is gone, so there will be no <subfaction> upgrades. The core rules don't provide much for Crusade to build on.  

[Colman]

Arks of omen/boarding actions looks like  they should work just fine with the changes available for download. If you like that sort of thing and can source suitable terrain - it’s very dependent on the ship terrain - it’s probably a better option for small games than combat patrols.

 

The codexes have been pretty thoroughly nuked by  10th, and I really wouldn’t bother with those.

[MegaVolt87]

I think there is value in 9th codexes if you want to play 9th Ed Crussade. Might be a problem if the 9th Ed faq's have been pulled already though. 

[Colman]

6 hours ago, MegaVolt87 said:

I think there is value in 9th codexes if you want to play 9th Ed Crussade. Might be a problem if the 9th Ed faq's have been pulled already though. 

If you can pick them up very cheaply, maybe.

[DemonGSides]

Don't even need to purchase them. There are versions online that with a little tinkering can be useful for bolstering options.