Blindhamster Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 So, little discussion How do people think the imperium would react if wings became a thing that some blood angels started growing (lore reasons for it? Who knows, maybe many, maybe none) Inspiration for the question is this art: Would the imperium decry the blood angels and their successors for it? or would they look the other way because of Sanguinius (one of the only primarchs actively celebrated by the imperium as a whole) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 (edited) Since the whole arkio series has been retconned I think that the imperium as a whole would probably be generally cool with the occasional son of sanguinius growing wings. the inquisition and church might have some issues, but nothing that would allow them to move against the sons of sanguinius on that alone. in the thread for my successor chapter there was a whole ordeal about my chaplain having wings. Some people didn’t like it lol. Edited August 20, 2023 by Inquisitor_Lensoven Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGSides Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Abhor the mutant, unless that mutant is Sanguinius, at which point name Christmas after him. Blindhamster, Carcosa and Rhavien 1 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Based on the behaviour around the flaw, I'd think they'd do their best to hide it for as long as possible - detaching those with wings into specialist squads who then they tried to only use when Imperial forces weren't around as a deep strike reserve or a recon unit. If an element of the imperium did find out then depending on who it was they'd either be asked to keep it quiet (other Astartes), or they'd set a counter rumour that it was just ornate jump packs like the Sang guard. Majkhel 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 I guess the biggest factor would be how common is this mutation? 1:100? 1:1000? 1:1000000? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted August 20, 2023 Author Share Posted August 20, 2023 well, we know from Penitent that the king in yellow has been doing some stuff and has at least some blood angel gene stock with wings. So I do wonder if GW might be working up toward such things. You'd have to assume that if such a thing were to happen it would either be incredibly prevelant or incredibly rare, but probably not somewhere in between Inquisitor_Lensoven and Majkhel 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Blindhamster said: well, we know from Penitent that the king in yellow has been doing some stuff and has at least some blood angel gene stock with wings. So I do wonder if GW might be working up toward such things. You'd have to assume that if such a thing were to happen it would either be incredibly prevelant or incredibly rare, but probably not somewhere in between As I understand it the events of penitent take place long before guilliman returns, so the yellow king plot is either going to be another massive retcon/lore shift, or it’s not really leading anywhere significant, and that bit is just abnett having a little bit of fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadGreek Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 I think the majority of the imperium would be OK with it - spun as a religious miracle / blessing of the Emperor / re-emergence of a (long dormant) genetic trait of the revered Sanguinius. Besides, the Emperor is deified as (a) God - and God has Angels, and Angels have wings. There are already examples of gene-seed not behaving as intended. The Lost in the Tower of Amareo are mutated (and Wolves have Wolfen, not sure about other Chapters). Wouldn't be a huge stretch to find a middle ground that leads to wings. I'll even give you a method of explaining why this is happening now. A Marine becoming a Sang Priest has some certain (undetected) genetic mutation that, when he drinks from the Grail, is activated within him, he becomes a carrier. When his blood is added to the mix to induct new recruits into the Chapter, some, getting a larger sample of his blood that has catalyzed the Primarchs DNA, have there Gene-Seed mutated in a way that triggers the growth of Sanguinius-like wings. OK, perhaps a bit clunky. But some good Black Library writers could come up with something to justify it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majkhel Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 I believe similarly to Cleon - inside Blood Angels chapter any such occurence would be foremost hidden from the outside world on reflex until the case is investigated. Other Chapters of Blood with more strict views on purity (like Angels Numinous?) might execute such Brothers on the spot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 11 hours ago, Majkhel said: I believe similarly to Cleon - inside Blood Angels chapter any such occurence would be foremost hidden from the outside world on reflex until the case is investigated. Other Chapters of Blood with more strict views on purity (like Angels Numinous?) might execute such Brothers on the spot. I can’t imagine any chapter of the blood executing a brother outright over such a mutation…unless they believe sanguinius should have been culled as well Majkhel, MadGreek and Blindhamster 1 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGSides Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 It's one thing to be born with them. If they watched a brother spontaneously sprout wings just randomly during training... Idk. Not many lore examples of that but it sounds like a tzeentchian infestation just up front. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 1 hour ago, DemonGSides said: It's one thing to be born with them. If they watched a brother spontaneously sprout wings just randomly during training... Idk. Not many lore examples of that but it sounds like a tzeentchian infestation just up front. The process of becoming a marine is seen as being reborn… Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 That did happen in lore once, but it was a deamonic trick. Good ol' Mephy put a stop to it pretty quick. So if another instance of that happened, I would say it would probably be up to him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadGreek Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 50 minutes ago, Paladin777 said: That did happen in lore once, but it was a deamonic trick. Good ol' Mephy put a stop to it pretty quick. So if another instance of that happened, I would say it would probably be up to him. Dang. Forgot about that. And I even read those books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, MadGreek said: Dang. Forgot about that. And I even read those books. What books were those? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadGreek Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said: What books were those? I think it was the Blood Angels Omnibus. One of the Brothers grows wings. Some accepted him, others didn't. Turned out to be a trick of Chaos. Read them a LONG time ago. I think I still have them - might re-read. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, MadGreek said: I think it was the Blood Angels Omnibus. One of the Brothers grows wings. Some accepted him, others didn't. Turned out to be a trick of Chaos. Read them a LONG time ago. I think I still have them - might re-read. That’s been retconned as I’ve heard, because the events with guilliman coming back were set at roughly the same time or something. and mephiston didn’t ‘quickly put him down’ not sure the time frame start of book1 to end of book3 but considering there was a chapter wide civil war, I wouldn’t say it was quickly taken care of. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 It also has been soft retconned discussed here even if we take the books as canon, they prove the BA wouldn’t just outright cull a brother who sprouts wings. Arkio was killed because he claimed to be the primarch reborn, and marshaled forces against Dante (unwittingly) in the service of chaos. but he most certainly was not killed just for having wings. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadGreek Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 21 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said: That’s been retconned as I’ve heard, because the events with guilliman coming back were set at roughly the same time or something. and mephiston didn’t ‘quickly put him down’ not sure the time frame start of book1 to end of book3 but considering there was a chapter wide civil war, I wouldn’t say it was quickly taken care of. Didn't know it was retconned. Seems like it would have happened much earlier in the lore than Guilliman coming back - but only because of how long the book came out. Also, I didn't say it was quickly put down. That was the guy I quoted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 Ok, fair enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majkhel Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 11 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said: I can’t imagine any chapter of the blood executing a brother outright over such a mutation…unless they believe sanguinius should have been culled as well Fair enough Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380017-wings/#findComment-5982619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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