Solar Auxilia is apparently the mystery army

[Taliesin]

Apparently this was part of the big Discord leaks and Valrak backs it up.

 

 

Now here's my question, would this be backed up with a book, like the Libers?

 

Also intrigued by the mention of that new campaign book being moved up in release date , wonder if that will prove correct.

Edited August 26, 2023 by Taliesin

[Noserenda]

Can't watch a video right now, but the original leaks were pointing at a few plastic tanks but no infantry, which is like... The least fun answer to the mystery army.

 

Does feel incredibly likely now though, can't see why it would need a book, there is nothing new rules wise apparently.

 

Fingers crossed for an infantry box at least though.

[SkimaskMohawk]

I'm still kinda baffled that it's all tank hulls for marines and solar aux as the focus.

 

Like, in 1st, even with the tanks being much stronger, infantry was still really important. You needed them to score, they were the thing that got the legion traits, and were the special units; they literally were what gave most legion force it's character. 

 

And then in 2nd, they literally butchered the balance to make infantry front and center. Solar aux is especially focussed on infantry in the current rules, with the ultramar cohort able to push almost 800 models out of the troops choice. 

 

And of course, there's far fewer ways to build a legal army out of tanks than infantry.

 

Maybe I'm just so used to GW making the new stuff...worthwhile at the very least (and usually broken); you usually want to buy the new stuff because it functions really well in the game. Just feels like they made a bunch of tank hulls based off 1st, felt like they needed a new edition to drive sales, and then a bunch of terrible players with an agenda whacked the balance.

[Gorgoff]

The release strategy is baffling me as well. I mean sure tanks were extremely expansive in 1ed, sure, and we already had the calth and propsero box miniatures for legions plus all the bitz from other GW games if we wanted. So no need to hurry for GW.

I get this part but If they now start with SA in plastics, which is fine, they should know that they do need infantry. A lot of it and if they don't bring a plastic set they loose out on a lot new players. 

Only explanation for me is some kind of internal dispute between Forgeworld and Games Workshop. 

Edit: I may add that I am in the discord server where these rumors Valrak refers to come from and know for sure that he just speculated about what may come. It is fun how these things circle around and how fast that happens. ;)

 

Edited August 27, 2023 by Gorgoff

[Orion]

As someone who bought a lot of Krieg in the past year I don't buy the "moulds are worn out" line. 

[Corswain]

Rumours are rumours but there feels like a lot of guessing going on here.

The mystery army is, realistically, either Solar Auxilia or Mechanicum unless they get really wild so 50/50 on that being correct.

 

No criticism of those who shared or comment, I'm just feeling skeptical.

That being said....... I would love to see more Solar Auxilia and I'm always happy for any plastic Heresy so bring it on.

[Noserenda]

I mean if you are wanting evidence and logic then only Sisters of silence makes any sense given they added half a dozen units without models.

 

Of course, expecting logic and pre planning from forgeworld is a fools game :D

[Taliesin]

15 hours ago, Noserenda said:

 

 

Does feel incredibly likely now though, can't see why it would need a book, there is nothing new rules wise apparently.

 

 

 

So you think everything they will release will already be part of an existing liber?

 

I thought perhaps there will be new models since they have all this Legions Imperialis SA stuff that they will use for HH itself as well.

[Noserenda]

Everything rumoured so far has rules already, perhaps we might see updated pdfs for some baneblade variants that aren't awful? But I wouldn't expect a book just for that, maybe pop them in the next book for paper purists?

[Gorgoff]

I think we will see something like the legions got wgen 2ed droped. Meaning one 20 men box with additional boxes for special weapons plus some tanks and a HQ. And that's fine with me. This way people can start their army which takes most of us month to get to a point where we need additional fancy stuff.

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

Humm

I still believe it's Blackshields but with GW...who knows!

[OttoVonAwesome]

I still think it's possible that the new army is Imperial army and I have a bit of logic to back it up. So this new rumour says no infantry just tanks well what if there is they just aren't solar auxilia. The imperial army pattern of armour exists in 40k already the chaos guardsmen are wearing it minus the imperial eagle on the helm and plus a bunch of spikes and furs and crap. A blog interview with some gw rep stated it was a brand new army altogether not an existing one. Logic states it should be Solar Aux given the cross over with the new epic release but I can't ignore that bit

 

The tanks rumoured to be released do not include the Dracosan or any of the other specific to solar auxilia tank types and so would pefectly cross over with the solar auxilia and reduce the overall cost of collecting an army and at the same time the 40k guard codex has rules for generic guardsmen but no actual models to represent them. Either way I'm happy but I'm even happier if I'm right and it's the second line Imperial Army.

 

edit: I found it a little wierd that the Cadian's were redesigned if it was to distance them further from the look of the generic imperial army that would actually make sense.

Edited August 27, 2023 by OttoVonAwesome

[Astartes Consul]

I think SA was a pretty solid bet to be the mystery army, with or without this latest round of leaks. The idea of all the infantry staying in resin isn't great and I don't particularly want to believe it. But then, we've had no rumours or leaks about plastic SA infantry at all and the rough release window is fast approaching so...

 

Not sure what to make of the other rumours, a lot seem to be fairly logical conclusions to what we already know tbh. I do really hope the next book isn't as rumoured though, 

 

22 hours ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

I'm still kinda baffled that it's all tank hulls for marines and solar aux as the focus.

 

Like, in 1st, even with the tanks being much stronger, infantry was still really important. You needed them to score, they were the thing that got the legion traits, and were the special units; they literally were what gave most legion force it's character. 

 

And then in 2nd, they literally butchered the balance to make infantry front and center. Solar aux is especially focussed on infantry in the current rules, with the ultramar cohort able to push almost 800 models out of the troops choice. 

 

And of course, there's far fewer ways to build a legal army out of tanks than infantry.

 

Maybe I'm just so used to GW making the new stuff...worthwhile at the very least (and usually broken); you usually want to buy the new stuff because it functions really well in the game. Just feels like they made a bunch of tank hulls based off 1st, felt like they needed a new edition to drive sales, and then a bunch of terrible players with an agenda whacked the balance.

 

Just odd isn't it? On the one hand, I'm not complaining  that GW isn't making every new kit completely broken and OP. But on the other hand, what is the logic to all of this??

[OttoVonAwesome]

3 hours ago, Astartes Consul said:

Just odd isn't it? On the one hand, I'm not complaining  that GW isn't making every new kit completely broken and OP. But on the other hand, what is the logic to all of this??

What's odder still is they could have fixed all the issues already by adding breaching to the underpowered artillery and tank guns without breaking the game.

[Hungry Nostraman Lizard]

Steel injection molds getting worn out? Yeah, I don't believe it. Not in the 3-4 years since the Kriegers from Octarius were made, no.

[Astartes Consul]

2 minutes ago, Hungry Nostraman Lizard said:

Steel injection molds getting worn out? Yeah, I don't believe it. Not in the 3-4 years since the Kriegers from Octarius were made, no.

 

I think they mean the Resin kit moulds, and that there will be more plastic kits ti replace them?

[Noserenda]

They dont replace resin with plastic because the moulds are tired, they do it because they think itll do plastic worthy sales, i get the feeling Kill team releases are middle step on that path, they arent expected to sell like 40k alone, but the kill team should boost that.

[Gorgoff]

20 hours ago, OttoVonAwesome said:

I still think it's possible that the new army is Imperial army and I have a bit of logic to back it up. So this new rumour says no infantry just tanks

The rumor came from Discord and the one who brought it up already said that he was just speculating. I already said that so we shouldn't keep it alive. 

[Noserenda]

Im not sure thats strictly accurate, certainly Aeons has said his contacts have a solid handle on plastics but only a vague idea about recent/upcoming resin releases, so some of it is speculation but usually on the resin side rather than plastics.

Discord is ofc spectacularly awful for going back to check though, and people insist on flooding the channel with garbage

[Orion]

9 hours ago, Hungry Nostraman Lizard said:

Steel injection molds getting worn out? Yeah, I don't believe it. Not in the 3-4 years since the Kriegers from Octarius were made, no.

Krieg are a Forge World army. And as far as I'm concerned will die a Forge World army.

Also resin moulds get changed all the time, hence why "the moulds have worn out" usually just comes from someone who doesn't buy shed loads of really old resin models.
I know for a fact that they cast up as well if not better than they did in the late 2000s. 
 

9 hours ago, Astartes Consul said:

 

I think they mean the Resin kit moulds, and that there will be more plastic kits ti replace them?

Yeah this would be it, but I'm not here for it.
Pick another regiment.
One that actually could benefit from new models.

[Petitioner's City]

I do have screenshots o took of the conversation on discord if it's ok to share? (And ok to share per AoD discord rules?)

[Stitch5000]

18 hours ago, Hungry Nostraman Lizard said:

Steel injection molds getting worn out? Yeah, I don't believe it. Not in the 3-4 years since the Kriegers from Octarius were made, no.

Injection molds get damaged and worn just fine... I have friends that have worked in GW and their entire job was dedicated to mold maintainence. 

Largely though, it's not as big an issue as you'd think, because the molds are produced from a CAD master and can be remade 1:1, unlike the old days when they required pantographing,,, 

It's much the same with resin molds... Sometimes if you buy a FW model, you will find a bit of blue/green rubbery material in a crevice of the model. That's a piece of the mold. That happens everytime the mold is filled and emptied. The molds wear very quickly. This in itself isn't such an issue, when you have CAD files for the masters, but when you have hand-made masters, you can't replicate them infinitely since the masters will eventually get damaged from the process...

Also, this "GW have CAD files" rumour needs to stop... GW have CAD files for EVERYTHING, I'd bet my last £1. That's because CAD files are pretty easy to draw up... We and all the sculptors know what things look like, since most of tehm have existed as a 3D miniature at some point in the past. Redrawing something in a CAD software doesn;t take that long at all... Most competetent users (see "the internet") can render out something in a matter of hours... Making that a sprue for production is the hard bit. 

I suppose these are the things you could get an insight on at the old open days, but there's nowhere to talk to people about these things anymore. 

[Taliesin]

5 hours ago, Petitioner's City said:

I do have screenshots o took of the conversation on discord if it's ok to share? (And ok to share per AoD discord rules?)

 

Yes please, I would like to read the part where he talks about upcoming books, Legions Imperialis and AoD books alternating etc, and what he said exactly about the upcoming SoH/IF campaign book.

Edited August 29, 2023 by Taliesin

[Marshal Mittens]

They seem like one of the 3 best choices, so I am ok with that. Would have loved robots more, but eh. I want to get some, but still building my marine armies. 

[sarabando]

22 hours ago, Taliesin said:

 

Yes please, I would like to read the part where he talks about upcoming books, Legions Imperialis and AoD books alternating etc, and what he said exactly about the upcoming SoH/IF campaign book.

lots of the rumours in the reddit post were not from the discord source.