Anyone disappointed with the CP box?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Just seems like there’s just nothing really there, and half of the box is a very niche unit…

 

id give up a terminator character for another squad, and swap the infernus dudes for sternguard.

[Lemondish]

They're supposed to be balanced, and I imagine 5 Terminators, 5 Sternguard, a Terminator Captain, and a whole other squad is probably a bit too much for Combat Patrol.

 

But who knows, maybe some of these units have changes coming in the Codex we aren't yet aware about. Rare, but it can happen.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, Lemondish said:

They're supposed to be balanced, and I imagine 5 Terminators, 5 Sternguard, a Terminator Captain, and a whole other squad is probably a bit too much for Combat Patrol.

 

But who knows, maybe some of these units have changes coming in the Codex we aren't yet aware about. Rare, but it can happen.

Pretty sure they haven’t been very well balanced up to this point.

[MegaVolt87]

30 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Pretty sure they haven’t been very well balanced up to this point.

 

They definitely haven't been. The worst boxes are the ones with named characters as those are always marked up high, technically eroding the discount(s). A lot of the boxes are also better off as one off buys if you are just starting. 

[Tacitus]

3 hours ago, MegaVolt87 said:

 

They definitely haven't been. The worst boxes are the ones with named characters as those are always marked up high, technically eroding the discount(s). A lot of the boxes are also better off as one off buys if you are just starting. 

None of the CP boxes should have a named character in it.  There are Value boxes that are not CP boxes that might - like the Chapter Specific boxes, and yes including the named causes multiple issues, like not wanting multiples of a named you can only have one of. 

 

Edit to Add:  The real problem with the CP boxes are that they aren't balanced against each other after the changes to vehicle toughness bands.  The Dark Eldar one with multiple vehicles looks incredibly mean compared to say the Deathwatch Patrol or the Thousand Sons box.  Most of those boxes will have little to no chance to deal with one vehicle, let alone multiples or a particularly stout one like the Dreads. 

Edited September 25, 2023 by Tacitus

[Orion]

Even just HQs kinda erode the value if you're wanting it to be a product you buy multiple of. 4 Terminator heros is about as practical as 2 Typhus. Particularly now that squad sizes are more fixed.

 

The Guard one is probably more practical in that regard. HQ customisability without conversions.

[Jolemai]

Disappointed? Not in the slightest. The CP boxes aren't aimed at me anyway 

Edited September 25, 2023 by Jolemai

[Lemondish]

5 hours ago, MegaVolt87 said:

 

They definitely haven't been. The worst boxes are the ones with named characters as those are always marked up high, technically eroding the discount(s). A lot of the boxes are also better off as one off buys if you are just starting. 

 

I meant in the Combat Patrol side of the game, rather than balanced regarding discounts.

 

Lots of talk about "value of discount" while ignoring that these are no longer meant to serve as just a discount box.

Edited September 25, 2023 by Lemondish

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

3 hours ago, Lemondish said:

 

I meant in the Combat Patrol side of the game, rather than balanced regarding discounts.

 

Lots of talk about "value of discount" while ignoring that these are no longer meant to serve as just a discount box.

I don’t think they’re balanced in terms of game play up to this point.

 

 

[Cleon]

I'm not disappointed - Not to say I don't agree its a pretty poor execution of the combat patrol concept, but it was pretty much confirmed that the Leviathan Combat patrols were the combat patrols, I'd have loved a second option but I wasn't expecting it.

[Blindhamster]

The combat patrol probably should have stayed as the shadow spear one, it was a much more sensible setup tbh.

[Dracos]

I like the models. Doesn’t seem a bad box to add to a starter box

[TheNicronomicon]

24 minutes ago, Dracos said:

I like the models. Doesn’t seem a bad box to add to a starter box

Yeah if it’s the second box you buy after your first combat patrol box it’s a good expansion. Pair it with the Blood Angels or Dark Angels boxes and you’ve got a solid start on a Marine army. It’s definitely a weird box to start with but not terrible. The previous Marine box was a much better starting point, imo. I guess if you’ve got enough extra arms you could make the Infernus marines into Intercessors. They’re honestly the weirdest part of this. 

[Helias_Tancred]

On 9/25/2023 at 2:41 AM, Tacitus said:

None of the CP boxes should have a named character in it.  There are Value boxes that are not CP boxes that might - like the Chapter Specific boxes, and yes including the named causes multiple issues, like not wanting multiples of a named you can only have one of. 

 

Edit to Add:  The real problem with the CP boxes are that they aren't balanced against each other after the changes to vehicle toughness bands.  The Dark Eldar one with multiple vehicles looks incredibly mean compared to say the Deathwatch Patrol or the Thousand Sons box.  Most of those boxes will have little to no chance to deal with one vehicle, let alone multiples or a particularly stout one like the Dreads. 

 

Also any CP box with a named character in it is intended to GET someone into the hobby or that army, but not to serve as building blocks, blocks as in plural, for the army. Buy one and move on to other purchases in the range, whereas other CPs serve as building blocks for an army; buy a couple! Grey Knights for example. 

 

I stopped trying to seriously figure out GW's logic a long time ago. It made my head hurt. The only boiler plate logic you can use is go with what makes them the most profit! Figure that out and you have your answer.

 

Edited September 30, 2023 by Eilio Tiberius

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

I wouldn't say dissapointed. Just not massively enthused. 

[Tacitus]

2 hours ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

I wouldn't say dissapointed. Just not massively enthused. 

I'd be more enthused if I hadn't picked up a bunch of the Leviathan boxes. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Yeah, guess I’m definitely not the only one who thinks this is a less than great box

 

 

[sitnam]

I'm normally one to defend a lot of GW decisions, but this CP box is just dumb. It wouldn't of been terrible if they had done what they had done for the Vanguard of SoB boxes, throwing in a little extra on top of monopose kits (like the Rhino or Impulsor). Imagine this box with a Land Raider in it. It's be both thematic and it'd make the CP box an actual deal

[Helias_Tancred]

I realized it was a one and done CP box when they revealed it, but yeah after watching AT's video on it, its sorta hot garbage given it's also one of the worst values. What was GW thinking?

 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, Eilio Tiberius said:

I realized it was a one and done CP box when they revealed it, but yeah after watching AT's video on it, its sorta hot garbage given it's also one of the worst values. What was GW thinking?

 

I think their box sets for this edition are going to be very hit and miss.

 

the rumored guard battle force box seems as awkward and weird as this if not more so