Abominant Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Rapid Ingress' restrictions section states, "You cannot use this Stratagem to enable a unit to arrive on the battlefield during a battle round it would not normally be able to do so in". The use of the word "normally" within this restriction means "without any special rules applied", correct? I only ask because if it does not mean this, then you can use the Grey Knights enhancement, 'First to the Fray' to deploy a unit with Rapid Ingress during your opponent's first reinforcement step- even if they go first on battle round 1. That sounds too good to be true, so I am just asking to make sure that I understand the RAW correctly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380885-rapid-ingress-usage-of-the-wording-normally/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Ruminahui Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) Yeah, the rule is pretty vaguely written, particularly use of the word "normally". The problem for me, is that "normally" has (at least) 2 reasonable interpretations, those being: 1. The rules that would have applied if this stratagem weren't in effect (so, take all the rules that are in effect and then apply rapid ingress to those rules); or 2. The base set of rules for that situation, not modified by any other "non normal" rules. So, under the first, if there was some other rule that apply (such as First to the Fray) that would allow you to deepstrike turn 1, you could. Under the second, you couldn't. Personally, I prefer the first interpretation, as it allows one to sidestep the whole discussion of what is and isn't a "normal" rule, but its unclear whether that is the correct interpretation. Edited October 27, 2023 by Dr_Ruminahui Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380885-rapid-ingress-usage-of-the-wording-normally/#findComment-5998013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
unrealchamp88 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 On the subject of Deep Strike, am I correct in saying the only rule prohibiting against a unit deep striking in the first battle round is from the Leviathan GT rules and that the core rules do not contain any similar prohibition? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380885-rapid-ingress-usage-of-the-wording-normally/#findComment-6014235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) The 'core' rules do not, however pretty much very mission pack explicitly forbids it - leviathan matched, leviathan crusade and combat patrol all ban it. The only way you can DS turn one is by special rule, or custom mission that doesn't use the existing mission packs. Edited January 8 by Xenith unrealchamp88 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380885-rapid-ingress-usage-of-the-wording-normally/#findComment-6014252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
unrealchamp88 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I didn't realise the crusade rules also prohibited it. Thanks for clarifying that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380885-rapid-ingress-usage-of-the-wording-normally/#findComment-6014262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Yea, it's in the numbered 'prepare for the game' section before the scenarios. It wasn't blocked in 9th, but is in 10th. unrealchamp88 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/380885-rapid-ingress-usage-of-the-wording-normally/#findComment-6014264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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