New Noise Marine Kit: What Would You Like To See?

[Gamiel]

Feels a bit like we should change the title from "New Noise Marine Kit: What Would You Like To See?" to "New stuff for the EC: What Would You Like To See?" Based on how many of us talk about the EC in general instead of just the Noise Marines.

[Indy Techwisp]

WE Berserkers are essentially "Cult Assault Marines", so the presence of BP+CS makes sense there but since Noise Marines aren't that, I'd assume they keep the Bolters as an option.

 

Regarding their appearance, I feel that while the EC Noise Marines should look genuinely horrifying, but have the option to have the somewhat goofy "Punk Rocker" look of the "Classic" Rocker Noise Marine currently used as the Datasheet image.

 

Like, Helmetless heads with speakers attached to the mouths and stuff, but also mohawks as an optional "add on" you could attach to the heads.

 

As for weapons, dropping the BP+CS option, but keeping the Sonic Weapons and Bolters on the sprue.

Zero idea as to what MK the armour should be, or how the Icon will look (assuming it's in the kit and not a separate character like Plague Marines) besides being a Slannesh Symbol.

[Indy Techwisp]

In regards to new EC stuff tho:
Obviously new Lucias and Daemon Fulgrim.

I would say new Terminator too, but WE broke that trend.

Some sort of "Exalted" thing seems to be common, but then DG broke that trend.

New "cultist" type thing is in both WE and DG, but TSons missed out on those (Tzaangors don't count)

 

So... Something which all 3 of the previous "Cult" Marines have, the EC will miss out on, but get something called an "Exalted", a new "Cultist" and a new Terminator.

 

Not sure what exactly that missing thing would be, but it's the only way the trend works.

Edited November 22, 2023 by Indy Techwisp
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[sitnam]

2 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

(assuming it's in the kit and not a separate character like Plague Marines)

The case of Plague Marine icons is very strange, because the basic Plague Marine box does come with an icon bearer. But then for 10th GW made the Icon Bearer separate, even though the standalone one was always just an alternate sculpt

[LSM]

13 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

...Zero idea as to what MK the armour should be, or how the Icon will look (assuming it's in the kit and not a separate character like Plague Marines) besides being a Slannesh Symbol.

 

Pretty sure they'll be rocking MkVI.

 

The classic 1990 Jes Goodwin sketches of the cult marines had the Plague Marine in MkII/III, the Sorceror-Marine [sic] in MkIV, Berserker [sic] in MkV, and Slaaneshi Renegade in MvVI.

 

More recently, the 2021 White Dwarf HH article Armour Through the Ages had this to say about the respective Marks:

• MkIII: "...The same has been said of the Death Guard, who favoured grinding and relentless frontal assaults for which Iron Armour was especially well suited. So well suited to the singular mien of the sons of Mortarion was Iron Armour that in ages to come it would become synonymous with their fall, for it would serve as the basis of the heavily corrupted and debased power armour worn by the vile warriors even now becoming known as ‘Plague Marines'."
• MkIV: "...The Thousand Sons Legion, however, appears to have adopted the mark later in the Horus Heresy, though how and why remains beyond our ken at the time of this study. In the years after the war, the Thousand Sons would manifest the dreadful ‘Rubric Marines’, who, according to accounts, appear to be almost universally equipped with a highly ornamented variation of Maximus Armour, making the mark now synonymous with the sons of Magnus the Red."
• MkV: "...Likely due to the relentless pace of operations, one Legion in particular made especially heavy use of Mark V towards the end of the war: the World Eaters. Of all the Traitor Legions, the sons of Angron were committed time and time again to the most high-intensity assaults, and so the Legion’s Techmarines and attached Mechanicum adepts were ever forced to make do with the armour components at hand, especially once the World Eaters ranks began to be rapidly replenished with those referred to by some sources as Inductii. Indeed, so prevalent was the use of Mark V amongst such warriors that the Legion’s red-clad berzerkers, dedicated wholly to the so-called ‘Blood God’, would use it almost exclusively in the wars of the Scouring and beyond."
• MkVI: "...Like so many of the other marks of power armour, Mark VI would come in time to earn the dubious honour of being associated with the ranks of one particular Traitor Legion. In this case it would be the Emperor’s Children, who have been observed to field troops who are evidently the descendents of the dread Kacophoni. These fallen Legionaries have come to be known as ‘Noise Marines’, and they appear to favour a heavily debased and corrupted variant of Corvus Armour, though what characteristics made that mark more suitable for that role than any other remains a mystery to our order."

[Gamiel]

For the Noise Marines: Speakers. Speakers on backpacks, on chest-armour, on pauldrons, kneepads, greaves, helmets with extra-large speaker grills, heads with speakers instead of mouths, speaker-arm. Backpacks with organ pipes. A head with a inhumanly large open mouth. At least one helmet with sleek shades. Speaker- and/or choir-servitors/acolytes. A Noise Marines version of the SoB’s Exorcist tank. Tubes and injectors as part of their armour or as bits. A sonic weapon clearly created from a deamon or something still living, like the Infernal Enrapturess' or Sloppity Bilepiper's harp respectivly bagpipe.

 

I want to be able to build this guy

 

And updated versions of those guys’ weapons and heads

 

 

Maybe a Noise Marine specefic Chaos Sorcerer - a "Harmonist" sounds like a good title to me - figure or upgrade kit.

[WrathOfTheLion]

They'll just do a new figure for something like that. Any upgrade kit will already be not worth the time, given the Sorcerer is on one or two small sprues.

Edited November 25, 2023 by WrathOfTheLion

[darkseren1ty]

What I would love to see for an EC codex:

 

1. noise marine squads- sonic blasters, blastmasters, doom sirens. I want them to have the shoot back on death mechanic again. And ignore cover please.

 

2. Lucius. New model duh

 

3. daemon fulgrim goes without saying. But here I am, saying it anyway.

 

4. 2 new EC generic chars. A psyker supporter character- with a musical bent. And a melee or a ranged character who can fit with noisey bois 

 

5. sonic dread- it’ll never happen but I’m wishlisting.

 

6. An elite infantry unit. Phoenix guard or corrupted palatines.

[Indy Techwisp]

So.

Coming back to this now having seen someone clean up artwork from one of the 40k MTG cards.

 

I feel it's probably likely we can expect new Noise Marines to look somewhat like this:

[WrathOfTheLion]

They'll almost certainly be in a variant MK VI armor, so that art could be pretty accurate.

 

Just as they have MK III for DG, MK IV for TS and MK V (ish) for WE, they'll want MK VI for EC. We know this from various publications saying that it was their preferred armor mark.

[Rain]

I hope they lean into the Hellraiser aesthetic, and away from glam rock. Maybe mix in one or two handsome apparently un-mutated heads with long flowing hair, but mostly weird peeled skin cenobites. Oh, and I really hope they make a head that copies the 3.5 ed Slaaneshi art of the marine with the speaker mouth with fangs under it. Actually, copy the whole thing, it’s iconic. For the love of the Chaos gods, no guitar guns, keep the sonics similar to the 3.5 upgrade kits and HH Kakophoni weapons.

 

I will almost certainly buy and paint some up, if not start an entire army, if they do it right. EC are up there among my favorite factions, they have just had precisely jack and all model support for the past 30 years.

[Indy Techwisp]

12 hours ago, Rain said:

For the love of the Chaos gods, no guitar guns, keep the sonics similar to the 3.5 upgrade kits and HH Kakophoni weapons.

 

As much as I want to agree with the "no guitar guns" thing, that artwork above is the most recent artwork of a Noise Marine, so it looks like Guitar Guns are here to stay.

Hopefully tho it's something akin to the Rubric Soulreaper as a 1-per-squad optional weapon and you can just choose to not equip it if you don't like it.

[Dr_Ruminahui]

The thing is, that isn't official GW artwork - that's artwork of GW material done under license by a third party for their own product - its no different than the depiction of some aspect of 40K in a licensed video game.  The Magic the Gathering (MtG) artwork seems based, in turn, on elements of the newest made-to-order noise marine (the bolter-guitar) combined with elements of the old metal-finecast models (the speaker backpack, though the artwork version has some significant differences - which I'm not fond of, as I think the speakers are too flat).

 

Now, its not uncommon for their to be cross pollination, with the direction taken 40K licensed material then inspiring GWs own take, so that may well occur here.  That said, I don't think the MtG art puts us in any better place to divine GW's future intentions than that provided by the made-to-order noise marine alone.

Edited November 27, 2023 by Dr_Ruminahui

[Lord Abaia]

The armor in that image looks good enough. I like the mk VI shins and the bonding studs on the thigh armor. It's a nice shared feature with some of the more recent Slaanesh stuff for AoS. I'm also suspicious about the guitar gun and think it would be a shame if thats the direction they went with NMs.

 

But weirdly, what is the most disappointing thing about that artwork is that the marine is wearing pre-heresy EC colors. Where's the pink and black? Don't get me wrong, purple and gold look good, and I know lots of people in the community are going to paint new NMs up like that and they will look great, just like they've done with TS, DG, and WE and their pre-heresy colors. It just seems like a careless error if the studio paint scheme is the pre-heresy colors.

[Indy Techwisp]

39 minutes ago, Magpie Knight said:

The armor in that image looks good enough. I like the mk VI shins and the bonding studs on the thigh armor. It's a nice shared feature with some of the more recent Slaanesh stuff for AoS. I'm also suspicious about the guitar gun and think it would be a shame if thats the direction they went with NMs.

 

But weirdly, what is the most disappointing thing about that artwork is that the marine is wearing pre-heresy EC colors. Where's the pink and black? Don't get me wrong, purple and gold look good, and I know lots of people in the community are going to paint new NMs up like that and they will look great, just like they've done with TS, DG, and WE and their pre-heresy colors. It just seems like a careless error if the studio paint scheme is the pre-heresy colors.

 

Maybe Fulgrim's Personal Noise Marines stuck with the Pre-Heresy Colours of Purple and Gold?
Man's been living it up on a daemon world or something since halfway through the siege of Terra, I doubt he took time away from the excessive indulgences to repaint his legion.

 

To be entirely honest, it's been so long since EC actually got anything that wasn't a HH thing, I wouldn't put it past GW to just stick with the Purple and Gold as it's the colours people less aware of the EC assume they have based on all the recent releases (again, all HH stuff).
 

That and Slannesh is kinda Purple-coded now, judging by AoS anyway.
Same as Tzeentch is "Blue" so the TSons are blue, Khorne is "Red" to the WE are Red and Nurgle is "Green" so the DG are Green.

[Indy Techwisp]

Also, 2 things in favour of this being the "new style" of EC:
 

1. All the MTG artwork had to be approved as appropriate for 40k by GW before it could be used, so in GW's Opinion that is indeed a 40k Noise Marine.
2. Rather than use an image of a built Noise Marine in the Index, they used the Promo "Punk Rock Guitar Blastmaster" one instead.

GW weren't afraid to put the incredibly poor image of Lucius the Eternal in the Index, but shied away from using this perfectly good image of Noise Marines:

[Rain]

Wasn’t there a story about Eidolon taking a bunch of traitor EC to a planet with acidic atmosphere and it bleached their purple armor pink, hence explaining the color switch? I swear I remember reading this, and thinking it’s really stupid, but I have no idea where I got the idea. On the other hand this leaves room for EC that didn’t go with Eidolon to stay purple.

 

Might be a hallucination from too much/little scotch.

 

Edit: @Indy Techwisp I think the pic you pasted wasn’t used because the base models for those NM’s are the discontinued CSM models, that were pulled from the store back in 2019. So, those models cannot be recreated from anything on sale by GW at time of writing of the index. I would guess that the ancient 3rd edition Lucius was probably still technically on sale when the index was written, so he was used.

Edited November 28, 2023 by Rain

[LSM]

@Indy Techwisp I think the most recent EC model to come out of the 'Eavy Metal team is the one on the Chosen box. (And he's still in pink and black.)

 

[WrathOfTheLion]

There will almost certainly be a couple of paint schemes for EC. For World Eaters, they even showed a more 'classic' scheme, so I think the main scheme will be pink/black, with an alternate warband in more traditional scheme.

 

There's a chance they go for a new scheme as the main one, though.

Edited November 28, 2023 by WrathOfTheLion

[Cpt.Danjou]

Since I saw this modell I have always loved the pink armour, sadly I have no idea how to copy it. Both glorious and scary. Plus the painter has done such a stellar job.

 

This is how a pink Emperor' Children champion should look.

 

Cpt.Danjou

[Gamiel]

What about real old school EC colours:

 

Turquoise, purple and pink looks interesting

[Gamiel]

Base on this cover so is pink still in:

[Indy Techwisp]

2 hours ago, Gamiel said:

Base on this cover so is pink still in:

 

He's both Pink and Purple!

[LSM]

Xantine's a bit of an interesting one.

 

In his previous appearance (the short story A More Perfect Union) he's a disgruntled member of a warband that's become Children of Torment - sworn to the Black Legion. As such, his armour is black and gold (though he still has a purple cape). He specifically reflects on how angry this makes him - that he's wearing the colours of the legion who broke the Third.

 

So I guess it's not a surprise that, having taken control of the warband and split from the Black Legion, someone obsessed with the old days would go back to the old colours.

 

(Then again, he's mostly ~fuchsia, which is pretty different from the more pastel pink that 'Eavy Metal have generally done.)

 

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Also: I'd been flipping through the 3rd edition Codex and noted a neat conversion for a Warp Amp. (A Vehicle Upgrade which gave enemies -1 to Morale Checks within 18", -2 within 12", and -3 within 6".)

 

 

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As well, I had misremembered it being the Index Astartes articles that had introduced the pre-Heresy colour scheme of purple & yellow (later changed to purple and gold, I assume around the same time the Ultramarines' 2nd Company changed from yellow to gold). But I had forgotten that Bile's entourage were in dark purple and bronze (like the Clonelord himself).

 

Edited December 10, 2023 by LSM

[GuitaRasmus]

On 11/27/2023 at 3:28 AM, Rain said:

Oh, and I really hope they make a head that copies the 3.5 ed Slaaneshi art of the marine with the speaker mouth with fangs under it. Actually, copy the whole thing, it’s iconic. For the love of the Chaos gods, no guitar guns, keep the sonics similar to the 3.5 upgrade kits and HH Kakophoni weapons.

 

You rang?