Next Killteam Boxset Rumour

[OttoVonAwesome]

46 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

 

Didn't guard get an upgrade sprue for cadians and less than a year later a new kit?

I think this is more related to the old rumour dump stating there would be upgrades to make current guard kits into other regiments along with new regiments coming out rather than a new Cadian kill team unit.

[Mandragola]

This is cool. I wonder if the NL thing will be an upgrade sprue for the Legionaries that already exist. That would be back to the more usual format with KT boxes of a new kit plus an old one with an upgrade sprue. Neither the scouts or scorpions don't seem to get the upgrade sprue, so far as I can tell.

[Tokugawa]

If plastic Night Lord upgrade sprue is a thing, then its brothers would be coming soon.

[mel_danes]

Give me this in plastic, done!

 

[Magos Takatus]

9 hours ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

If they wanted to remake the 5th edition Archon in plastic I'm sure they'd make the cost of the mould back overnight. 

 

 

It is impossible to improve upon this level of perfection. 

I like this sculpt so much more than the current plastic model. The plastic kit looks appropriately arrogant while striking a pose but this model projects that while appearing more threatening in my opinion with that sword out in front of him. I painted this mini up once for a GW store owner that was leaving but I never painted it up for myself. To see this model reimagined in plastic would make me very happy.

[Urauloth]

I'd love to paint some Mandrakes.

I don't recall ever seeing NL and Drukharii fight in the lore, despite it being a logical match-up, so this could be really interesting to see it it pans out!

[Nova-V]

This seems a bit of an odd rumour considering we know from GW themselves the next box is Scouts Vs Striking Scorpions.  Most easily debunkable rumour I think I've ever seen.

[Matrindur]

11 minutes ago, Nova-V said:

This seems a bit of an odd rumour considering we know from GW themselves the next box is Scouts Vs Striking Scorpions.  Most easily debunkable rumour I think I've ever seen.

This is about the next box after that.

[Maschinenpriester]

I mist say i am a little sceptical towards a NL kill team. Main reason beeing that it would most likely mean Raptors, which have a fairly old kit with the old marine porportions with an upgrade sprue.

This would be the case of the old pattern continues with one new sprue and an old kit with an upgrade sprue beeing present in the release.

I am not too exited about that possibily to be honest.

 

[OttoVonAwesome]

2 hours ago, mel_danes said:

Give me this in plastic, done!

 

This is nice but I always liked the non chaos at all Nightlords that are basically creepy skin wearing normal marines with no bat ears. This is very close though and not at all what were gonna get.

[Lord Marshal]

It's also Horus Heresy art. I assume whatever they're upgrades for will have more T R I M by default. 

[Flaherty]

3 hours ago, Maschinenpriester said:

I mist say i am a little sceptical towards a NL kill team. Main reason beeing that it would most likely mean Raptors, which have a fairly old kit with the old marine porportions with an upgrade sprue.

This would be the case of the old pattern continues with one new sprue and an old kit with an upgrade sprue beeing present in the release.

I am not too exited about that possibily to be honest.

 

I wouldn't put too much stock in the old pattern holding. 

They broke at least two old rules with the scouts vs. scorpions box:

1) They kicked off this season with a new, terrain-light box format (following War Cry)
2) The Striking Scorpions seem to have none of the Kill Team specialisms represented – it was basically a way to spot release a new kit for the Eldar. 

 

I wouldn't be shocked if this rumor turns out to be that Raptors are one of the kits that gets released with the CSM codex in the spring, and that they also use this opportunity to launch/announce that the unaligned CSM chapters get upgrade frames like the first founding marines. The Imperial Fist Christmas Battleforce in 2018 was the first appearance of the marine upgrade sprues, so it's not totally unprecedented.

[sitnam]

4 hours ago, OttoVonAwesome said:

This is nice but I always liked the non chaos at all Nightlords that are basically creepy skin wearing normal marines with no bat ears. This is very close though and not at all what were gonna get.

Outside of Heresy, where do non-Chaos NL even exist? Even the ABD trilogy featured a Chaos Influenced warband

[Hungry Nostraman Lizard]

As a Night Lord fan for over 15 years, this scares me. As a 30k Night Lord fan first and foremost, this DOUBLE scares me.

I'm going to post this meme I uploaded to instagram a little while back...



 

[marspeople]

18 hours ago, Scribe said:

 

I'm not sure new Wyches would improve things, and I'm thinking Warriors and Incubi are pretty freaking timeless. Sure they could cut some new parts/poses, but man if that reboot wasnt a 10/10.

You don't want new Warriors or Wytches that could also be assembled as Trueborn or Bloodbrides?

 

[Halandaar]

8 minutes ago, marspeople said:

You don't want new Warriors or Wytches that could also be assembled as Trueborn or Bloodbrides?

 

Given that GW has never actually had a visual distinction between the basic units and their elite variants and always treated the latter as a simple statline/wargear upgrade over the former, arguably you can already assemble the current ones as Trueborn and Bloodbrides.

[marspeople]

Just now, Halandaar said:

 

Given that GW has never actually had a visual distinction between the basic units and their elite variants and always treated the latter as a simple statline/wargear upgrade over the former, arguably you can already assemble the current ones as Trueborn and Bloodbrides.

But they have no rules. No models = no rules.

Ergo we need new models.

And they might as well be a dual kit to update two birds with one stone.

[Special Officer Doofy]

I'm hoping by night lords they meant night lord painted raptors. I want the 5 non cult Legions to get their own upgrade sprues (and characters), I just don't want the upgrade sprue tied to a KT kit and to come out way before the other 4 Legions.

 

But hopefully if they are doing new upgrade sprues for the Legions, that will come with remakes of the Helbrute, Rhino, Predator and Land Raider for chaos!

[TheMawr]

5 hours ago, Maschinenpriester said:

I mist say i am a little sceptical towards a NL kill team. Main reason beeing that it would most likely mean Raptors, which have a fairly old kit with the old marine porportions with an upgrade sprue.

This would be the case of the old pattern continues with one new sprue and an old kit with an upgrade sprue beeing present in the release.

I am not too exited about that possibily to be honest.

 

 

There is precedence for that though in the Hands of the Archon killteam, newer eldar models have also had a size up ( I dont have incubi yet though) and the kabalites predate the raptors by 2 years.

 

I still think people are looking way too much into the Nightlord side being anything more than the paintjob (even though it wouldnt be the first time nightlords get more attention in 40k than others), and are setting themselves up for dissapointment there.

It seems some are going as far as now expecting every chaos legion is getting a legionaire upgrade kit through kill team ? thats 100% not the case.. or we will have 2 seasons with every box having legionaires again and again. Nobody wants that, not even CSM fans and not even GW.

 

I agree with the last sentiment, in general with what we know and what the rumors tell us... this season seems less inspired, and more "we still have this updated unit lying around" its not a complaint about the model releases on their own, rather what it means for killteam.

 

Havent quoted it, but someone was wondering if it was lore friendly for mandrakes to have lots of different operatives, and it definitely is... like some other Drukhari elements ( Sslyth, UrGhul ) I think mandrakes are heavily implied to have their own "cultures", living areas, fauna and hierarchies despite being just a single equipment unit in the 40k game (same as Kroot, Vespid etc really). Though I must say Im half expecting them to not really exploit this side and we're looking at a beastmen level variety as opposed to corsairs or kommandos here. (just to hold expectations low)

 

I still think we have been seeing one "true" kill team season split into several.. with consequences of its big popularity probably coming to full fruition one or two seasons down the road. But thats wild theory zone, not really rumor discussion.

[Scribe]

1 hour ago, marspeople said:

You don't want new Warriors or Wytches that could also be assembled as Trueborn or Bloodbrides?

 

 

I dont trust GW would improve on Wyches honestly, and I think Warriors are near perfect.

[Urauloth]

I suppose this could be a new raptor kit? The NL components could be an upgrade sprue, but I guess that's unlikely.
Raptors are one of the few CSM units to miss the rescaling, though, and a Kill Team would be a good way of updating them.

[TrawlingCleaner]

Flying units would struggle to work in Killteam I think. A model or two that can fly definitely works but whole teams is pretty rough. Especially if the box they start dropping flying units in is VS a full foot based team 

Mandrakes do have their shadowstep/teleport abilities but even then I think it's a push to keep pace with that, even more so for literally any other team. Yes a lot of the kits are also marketed at 40k player too but the teams still need to fit KT

 

The best bet (IMO) is either Chosen+upgrade sprue or a totally new unit.

It would be cool to see a Terror based unit, similar to Reivers. It would make sense why they'd be painted to be nightlords at that point too.

Chosen is a funny one I think, as the bits you have in that kit basically make each model unique anyways so you wouldn't need much for Killteam to make different operators

Edited October 31, 2023 by TrawlingCleaner

[Nephaston]

Yeah, I'D be fine with either new raptors or an upgrade sprue that opens up faction specific unit variants. Chances are though it's merely cosmetic, which is fine but then it should at least approach the level of a BT upgrade sprue.

[Noserenda]

I personally wouldnt expect raptors, but seeing as its rearing its head again, ill mention there is already a potentially fully flying kill team in the game and its rubbish :D 

[Halandaar]

2 hours ago, marspeople said:

But they have no rules. No models = no rules.

 

The "No models = no rules" argument would wash if we were talking about things that were cut between the 5th and 7th Edition books after Chapterhouse, like Baron Sathonyx and Kheradruakh, but Trueborn did still have rules in that book and even had rules as recently at 5 months ago via the Favoured Retinues bit in the 9th Edition book. At none of those points where they ever represented by their own models.

 

Don't misunderstand me, I would love a proper Trueborn kit based on the old rules where everybody can have Shardcarbines and you can load them up with Blasters or whatever, but what I'm saying is GW don't need to update the perfectly serviceable Warriors kit just to accommodate Trueborn because at no point in the past have they ever drawn a design distinction between the two, even when Trueborn did have rules.