Suppressors...when will they come?

[chapter master 454]

I don't mean in that shadowspear box bundle thing (akin to the phobos lieutenant...no not that one the other one...the OTHER other one...yea, the one with boltgun...no not combi...) but an actual seperate release of their unit with possible alternate weapon (though not likely I would wager).

 

Just thought I would field the question out to you guys about these boys who are now competing with the Dark Imperium Captain for "never seperately released" champions, though I suppose it is cheating, they do sell the shadowspear group still I believe...don't they?

[Tacitus]

Never.  They aren't out already and they're already releasing individual kits from the Agratax-chamacallit Strike Force Box.   They're not coming.  And I wouldn't count on it mattering by 11th or 12th.   I think they were added to fill out the box, and never intended to be a full release. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

At this point? Probably never. 
 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

58 minutes ago, Tacitus said:

Never.  They aren't out already and they're already releasing individual kits from the Agratax-chamacallit Strike Force Box.   They're not coming.  And I wouldn't count on it mattering by 11th or 12th.   I think they were added to fill out the box, and never intended to be a full release. 

It’s kinda sad, personally I’d have loved to get some but the box was done by the time I came back, and I don’t like buying kits second hand.

 

flying mobile long range firepower, that can now ignore effects of cover by getting up high seems a good compliment to my inceptors

[Halandaar]

6 hours ago, chapter master 454 said:

...who are now competing with the Dark Imperium Captain for "never seperately released" champions...

 

Captain in Gravis Armour got a standalone multi-option release last year: https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/space-marines-captain-in-gravis-armour-2022

 

That kit - and the Primaris Ancient released at the same time - show that just because something didn't get a standalone release in that edition doesn't mean it won't be gotten around to eventually. Maybe we'll see a Suppressor kit in 10th alongside one of the chapter Codexes, or maybe it'll be next edition. Either way I think will happen eventually; as far as I can tell the Shadowspear kits are no longer available since the Combat Patrol got replaced with the Leviathan kits and GW haven't typically let unit choices from an up-to-date Codex be unavailable forever, even if it does sometimes take years (Master of Possession) to get them out.

 

 

 

 

[Blindhamster]

the fact they didn't get dropped from the codex still, suggests they plan to do something with them tbh

[Orange Knight]

7 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

At this point? Probably never. 
 

 

Perhaps not. We can infer from some chatter that certain units get delayed or pushed forward. Apparently the Desolators were ready for a long while before they were released.

 

I'm guessing that GW did a pivot to release upscaled versions of the more iconic classic Marine units, so some new Primaris designs might be delayed as a result.

 

I made a comment that the last Marine waive was generally well received, but it also didn't excite as much as things that came before it. Overall a very safe upscale of old units. Whilst I think that it was probably for the better to have these units, I think GW should return to releasing all new Primaris designs once they have updated various models in the more divergent chapters.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

I'm still expecting a multi-unit kit with some other jumpy heavy weapon. . . eventually.  We all know how long GW is willing to sit on completed kits waiting for the "right" release window.

[Dracos]

When Suppressor rules get good you’ll know a box is coming  

 

 

Edited November 21, 2023 by Dracos

[Marshal Reinhard]

16 hours ago, Tacitus said:

...and never intended to be a full release. 

I'd say they probably were intended for a release, but perhaps their lackluster reception changed this plan going forward. I agree they seem very unlikely to get their own release at this point. We've had waves of other stuff come and go between now and then.

 

Omnis never seem to have been made into the "airborne" armor. Assault intercessors are wearing tacticus. But if that was always the plan, I think the design of the surpressors would have been different from the start

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

On 11/9/2023 at 12:55 AM, Halandaar said:

Maybe we'll see a Suppressor kit in 10th alongside one of the chapter Codexes, or maybe it'll be next edition. Either way I think will happen eventually; as far as I can tell the Shadowspear kits are no longer available since the Combat Patrol got replaced with the Leviathan kits and GW haven't typically let unit choices from an up-to-date Codex be unavailable forever, even if it does sometimes take years (Master of Possession) to get them out.

 

Well, they're supposed to still be available. They were repackaged and put back on sale last August as the "Vanguard Task Force." They were released as such the same week as the Master of Possession had his single-box release, in fact.

 

But they don't even seem to be mentioned on the webstore now, even as "Temporarily Out of Stock." 

 

However, I highly doubt the writers of the codex anticipated that the kit would face supply issues or whatever else caused them to disappear so soon after the repackaging. So I definitely wouldn't read anything into their appearance in the 10th Edition Codex other than the writers fully expected them to be available in that Task Force kit for the foreseeable future.

 

 

Edited November 10, 2023 by Lord Nord

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

On 11/9/2023 at 2:37 AM, Orange Knight said:

I'm guessing that GW did a pivot to release upscaled versions of the more iconic classic Marine units, so some new Primaris designs might be delayed as a result.

 

I don't think any substantial pivot took place. GW were ALWAYS going to supplant Firstborn models with upscaled Primaris versions. They just came at it in a sneaky way in order to not immediately cause all existing Space Marine players to revolt. Lots of "Oh no, these Primaris kits don't REPLACE your existing units, they're intended to fit in BETWEEN them" (which was strictly speaking true of THOSE 8th Edtion kits. It wouldn't be true forever).

 

I would bet that the Great Purge was always slated for 10th Edition, just as it happened. 8th had all of the introductory "tweener" kits (incuding the second wave Vanguard units). 9th got closer to home with the Outriders (but only in push-fit), the Assault-Marines-without-Jump-Options-but-otherwise-identical, and eventually the yet-more-single-loadout-NOT-DEVASTATORS-TRUST-ME-BRO Desolators.

 

Then in 10th, they just finally ripped the bandaid off. Probably exactly as it was laid out in 2014 or so.

[Dracos]

That’s a pretty big tin foil hat considering we still have Tacticals, Devestators, Scouts, Terminators, a host of vehicles. Your old models are still very useful just units have taken some alterations in make up but I don’t see anyone ragging on a player for using his assault marines as jump pack Intercessors 

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

14 minutes ago, Dracos said:

That’s a pretty big tin foil hat considering we still have Tacticals, Devestators, Scouts, Terminators, a host of vehicles. Your old models are still very useful just units have taken some alterations in make up but I don’t see anyone ragging on a player for using his assault marines as jump pack Intercessors 

 

No tinfoil hat required, just an understanding of basic marketing and corporate strategy. You also seem to be ascribing several sentiments to me that I've never expressed.

[Tacitus]

I agree the Primaris push was entirely about replacing the units with Primaris versions we'd have to buy - I know I wasn't buying much unless it was a resculpt I really liked, or an entirely new unit.  So they make a ton of entirely new units.

 

I'd say the purge was scheduled for earlier than 10th, but COVID got in the way. 

[Lord_Ikka]

=][= Please keep the focus on the topic of Suppressors and their potential individual box availability- this is not a topic for Primaris units replacing Firstborn units. =][=

[Helias_Tancred]

On 11/9/2023 at 4:13 AM, Blindhamster said:

the fact they didn't get dropped from the codex still, suggests they plan to do something with them tbh

 

ooooh, thats a good point in theory ... but I'd be surprised if they do indeed do something with them? Those guys and reivers seem to be the lost ball in high weeds models of the marine line?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

On 11/9/2023 at 4:13 AM, Blindhamster said:

the fact they didn't get dropped from the codex still, suggests they plan to do something with them tbh

Does it? Or are they wary of pissing people off about deleting a brand new unit, especially while people are mad their old units and models are being deleted?

 

I think it’s also worth pointing out assault squads were in the index, and then boom gone with no warning.

Edited November 11, 2023 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

10 hours ago, Eilio Tiberius said:

 

ooooh, thats a good point in theory ... 

 

Is it?

 

Like I pointed out, they repackaged the Suppressors along with the rest of what had been the 9th-Ed Combat Patrol right around the time the 10th-Ed Codex was set to drop.

 

Them NOT being in the book would have been a surprise. Being included doesn't really suggest anything when GW was clearly indicating that the existing models would remain available for the foreseeable future (nothing was stated about the "Vanguard Task Force" being a limited-run deal, so whatever led to them being removed from the webstore was clearly not part of the plan when the box was announced and released).

 

That said, I do think we'll see MPK Suppressors eventually and they probably will have an additional main weapon option. I just hope sanity prevails and they drop both the flight stands AND the dainty tactical rock launching poses and just let them stand in braced firing positions on the ground the way they were always meant to. Not every unit wearing a jump pack has to be modeled in flight or takeoff mode.

 

Edited November 11, 2023 by Lord Nord

[chapter master 454]

For such an obscure unit...surprised this is still going but I love it.

 

To me, suppressors represent a better looking version of inceptors. No goofy suit (well...gravis just looks goofy in general if you don't respect the fact it is heavy as Grom the Paunch!) and not oversized guns.

Also curious to see what ever comes of Omni armour though maybe a thing of the past since that falls in with their old strategy of marketing primaris.

"Behold the Tacticus"

"Behold the Gravis"

"Behold the Phobos"

So I guess I should shelf any thoughts of an Omni armour wave though it now has really weird history now as Shrike's armour is more in line with Omni armour than Phobos...Well hopefully we see these guys get a nice kit in the future however if given options...what would we give them?

I remember back when there was common call for their alternate to be a Las-Talon (though this was during the era of Primaris not having anything anti-tank bar hellblasters and repulsors) but if we look at the unit, what could they take?

Las-Talon is an option but what else? Maybe unique Grav-cannons? Would fit the theme of "Supressor" with the grav fields inhibiting units movement. Would maybe make them pretty good if that were their special rule. -1 to hit if using the autocannons for the target, -2" movement and charge distance if hit with Grav-cannons.

Or just some fancy neo-Volkite Cannons, we haven't seen much of Cawl's Volkite weaponry bar in very select few pistols.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

13 hours ago, chapter master 454 said:

For such an obscure unit...surprised this is still going but I love it.

 

To me, suppressors represent a better looking version of inceptors. No goofy suit (well...gravis just looks goofy in general if you don't respect the fact it is heavy as Grom the Paunch!) and not oversized guns.

Also curious to see what ever comes of Omni armour though maybe a thing of the past since that falls in with their old strategy of marketing primaris.

"Behold the Tacticus"

"Behold the Gravis"

"Behold the Phobos"

So I guess I should shelf any thoughts of an Omni armour wave though it now has really weird history now as Shrike's armour is more in line with Omni armour than Phobos...Well hopefully we see these guys get a nice kit in the future however if given options...what would we give them?

I remember back when there was common call for their alternate to be a Las-Talon (though this was during the era of Primaris not having anything anti-tank bar hellblasters and repulsors) but if we look at the unit, what could they take?

Las-Talon is an option but what else? Maybe unique Grav-cannons? Would fit the theme of "Supressor" with the grav fields inhibiting units movement. Would maybe make them pretty good if that were their special rule. -1 to hit if using the autocannons for the target, -2" movement and charge distance if hit with Grav-cannons.

Or just some fancy neo-Volkite Cannons, we haven't seen much of Cawl's Volkite weaponry bar in very select few pistols.

I’d be interested in some sort of heavy grenade launcher for them

 

frag A d6+2 S5 AP-1 D1 <sustained hits>

krak A 3 S10 AP-3 D3 <devastating wounds>

[Lord_Ikka]

What type of weapon would work for alternative Suppressors/what is really needed for SM in the form of a mobile fire-support squad?

 

Now they have the autocannons that are ok, but not great because they are just a 12" longer heavy bolter at S7, which is decent for putting some pressure on MEQ but doesn't really strike fear into anything as you won't likely even take out an MSU SM squad.

 

@Inquisitor_Lensoven's grenade launcher idea seems alright, or the Volkite/grav weaponry to make them useful long-ranged support.

 

I like the Suppressors, but they need some work to make them more than an afterthought.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

Either las talons or grav weapons of some kind fit, I think.

[Cenobite Terminator]

You can get them easily on eBay and they should come with instructions.

[DemonGSides]

Since they've been bringing Volkite pistols into existence, maybe a volkite cannon of some sort?