Tacitus Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 On 12/2/2023 at 4:01 PM, Paladin777 said: What do you mean by Reaper? I can think of at least 3 different weapons with Reaper in their name. The Gladiator Reaper Tank - the one that went from dropping something like 40 anti-infantry shots to more like 20 because the big twin turret dakka gun became twin linked instead of double the shots. 40 shots wounding on 3's and 4's is generally better than 20 wounding on 3/4 and rerolling. The change more or less changed the "meta" for which Gladiator to pick. They didn't really make all three equivalently valuable, they just changed which one is the clear winner. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/381587-brutalis-dread-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-6008186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 (edited) I see. After doing the math, the canon on the gladiator reaper does 50% more wounds to marines in cover then it did in ninth (5.33 compared to 3.55)... If it didn't have DW, it would also forces the same number of saves on targets like Ork Boyz. However, I will concede that even with the DW it does around 30% less overall damage than it used to, though much of that is because of the Orks having 5+ base save instead of 6+. Sustained 2+TL+dev wounds seems to make up for those lost shots a lot more than you might expect, and the reaper seems to be a lot more of a generalist profile than it was. Not quite as good at shredding light infantry as it was, but certainly more potent against tougher targets! Edited December 8, 2023 by Paladin777 Dracos, Cenobite Terminator, Rhavien and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/381587-brutalis-dread-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-6008298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacitus Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 13 hours ago, Paladin777 said: I see. After doing the math, the canon on the gladiator reaper does 50% more wounds to marines in cover then it did in ninth (5.33 compared to 3.55)... If it didn't have DW, it would also forces the same number of saves on targets like Ork Boyz. However, I will concede that even with the DW it does around 30% less overall damage than it used to, though much of that is because of the Orks having 5+ base save instead of 6+. Sustained 2+TL+dev wounds seems to make up for those lost shots a lot more than you might expect, and the reaper seems to be a lot more of a generalist profile than it was. Not quite as good at shredding light infantry as it was, but certainly more potent against tougher targets! Not really more potent against the tougher targets. S6 AP0 D1 isn't going to be considered Potent vs TEQ and the like. If you're taking a Tank for TEQ or "tougher targets" you're taking the Valiant with 4 MM and 2 Las Talon (Twin Linked) shots. But honestly, you're not taking either of them. You've got more efficiency out of Erads, Eliminators, Hellblasters, and so on. Infantry rules (Cover, and movement, Multiple Models and Lost Wounds, OC per point, etc) combined with fewer points per shot leans heavily towards them than a tank. The Repulsor with its 24A Repulsor Defensive Array, Onslaught and Twin HB could easily be ranked between efficient and more than efficient. The Land Raiders, Predators and Gladiators not so much. Aircraft and Land Raiders can shift into a good value per point if you're leaning into their other benefits: AIRCRAFT, FLY, TRANSPORT etc. The Stormspeeders are still in a no-man's land of not efficient, but not horrible either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/381587-brutalis-dread-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-6008427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 I'm not suggesting it's ideal for "tougher targets," only that it's main canon is better against them in 10th than it was in 9th. so if you took one and your opponent has no chaff, it's not completely worthless. DemonGSides 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/381587-brutalis-dread-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-6008472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhavien Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Well, all that talking about dreads made me buy a brutalis. There you have it, feel good now? Orange Knight, mel_danes, Paladin777 and 5 others 4 3 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/381587-brutalis-dread-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-6008559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Rhavien said: Well, all that talking about dreads made me buy a brutalis. There you have it, feel good now? Only if you paint it black, white, & silver and slap a big gauntlet icon on the front. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/381587-brutalis-dread-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-6008571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 A brutalis was already on my to-get list anyway! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/381587-brutalis-dread-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-6008599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGSides Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 6 hours ago, Rhavien said: Well, all that talking about dreads made me buy a brutalis. There you have it, feel good now? I'm planning on making mine in Death Company colors, eventually. Feels proper for a BA force! mel_danes, Rhavien, Paladin777 and 2 others 2 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/381587-brutalis-dread-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-6008615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 7 hours ago, Rhavien said: Well, all that talking about dreads made me buy a brutalis. There you have it, feel good now? You'll feel good when it brutally rip, stomp and tear trough the enemy battleline. mel_danes, Rhavien and Paladin777 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/381587-brutalis-dread-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-6008621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhavien Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 On 12/9/2023 at 8:36 PM, Iron Father Ferrum said: Only if you paint it black, white, & silver and slap a big gauntlet icon on the front. We can agree on black and silver, but I would slap some red crosses onto him The weapons are swappable and I'll drill out the gun barrels later. Whilst I said earlier, that I prefer the fists, the claws looked cooler in person. But as I said, everything is swappable, just to be safe... Iron Father Ferrum, Orange Knight, mel_danes and 2 others 3 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/381587-brutalis-dread-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-6009106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Yeah, I need to get me one of those! Cenobite Terminator, mel_danes and Rhavien 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/381587-brutalis-dread-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-6009152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 Ordered some 3rd party bits for a brutalis, redemptor, and some heads and torsos. They're absolutely stunning and blew me away when they arrived! DemonGSides, mel_danes, Rhavien and 2 others 1 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/381587-brutalis-dread-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-6011078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhavien Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 That looks gorgeous indeed! Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/381587-brutalis-dread-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-6011106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel_danes Posted December 24, 2023 Author Share Posted December 24, 2023 Paladin, It looks like you need to start a WIP thread, to share your work? Marshal Reinhard, Karhedron and Paladin777 1 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/381587-brutalis-dread-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-6011147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, mel_danes said: Paladin, It looks like you need to start a WIP thread, to share your work? I already have a gallery thread in the Blood Angels subforum. here's a link. https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373170-paladin777s-third-company/page/3/ Edited December 25, 2023 by Paladin777 mel_danes 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/381587-brutalis-dread-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-6011193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden-Paints Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 On 12/24/2023 at 12:06 PM, Paladin777 said: Ordered some 3rd party bits for a brutalis, redemptor, and some heads and torsos. They're absolutely stunning and blew me away when they arrived! Those are beautiful. Enjoy painting all the trim and filigree ha! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/381587-brutalis-dread-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-6011553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 (edited) I actually enjoy painting trim (my first army was thousand sons), so I will! Edit: ordered my Brutalis! Second edit: it came! Edited December 30, 2023 by Paladin777 Rhavien, Karhedron and Cenobite Terminator 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/381587-brutalis-dread-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-6011605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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