BGNT, BLAST and Engagement Range.

[Xenith]

I realised last night that I think I've been playing the Big Guns Never Tire (BGNT) and blast interaction wrong. I previously thought that a model with a BLAST weapon cannot fire it while within engagement range at all, however now my reading is that:

 

1. BGNT allows VEHICLES and MONSTERS to fire weapons even when within engagement range, and they can opt to shoot at targets within engagement range if a friendly model is also engaged, albeit at -1 to hit. 
2. BLAST weapons cannot target models within engagement range
3. Ergo a MONSTER with blast, if within engagement range, can fire out of the combat with that BLAST weapon, at a target not within engagement range, with the -1 to hit modifier. 

 

I had just assumed that things couldn't fire out of combat, however I think the ability to fire out of combat was already there in 9th, if unengaged, and 9th explicitly, in no uncertain terms, said that a model within engagement ranged can only shoot at models within engagement range. 

 

The key wording difference between 9th and 10th, is:

• 9th: "can only [shoot] against enemt units that it is within engagement range of"
• 10th "Monsters and vehicles are eligible to shoot...even when they are within engagement range [full stop]. [They] can target one or more enemy units within engagement range"

 

Am I right?

Edited November 21, 2023 by Xenith

[Xenith]

I guess it boils down to:

1. Can VEHICLES and MONSTERS shoot out of combat in 10th, when they are within engagement range
2. Can they do so with a BLAST weapon?

[Jolemai]

Yes to both. There's an example in the designer commentary on the app I believe.

[Xenith]

Awesome, thank you! 

 

Every Tyranid Monster having a BLAST weapon is now no longer as crippling as I thought it was! 

[Karhedron]

I made the same mistake initially with my Knights. Easily done.

[Metzombie]

1 hour ago, Xenith said:

and they can opt to shoot at targets within engagement range if a friendly model is also engaged

Where did you get the marked part from?

[Xenith]

46 minutes ago, Metzombie said:

Where did you get the marked part from?

 

It's in the BGNT rule - they have to be in the same combat - if enemy unit A is in contact with tyranid monster B and gaunts C, Monster B can still shoot A with non blast weapons, even though C is still in engagement range. 

[Metzombie]

Yes, but the way you wrote it, it means you need to have another unit in combat to shoot into combat.

[Xenith]

Yea, I forgot the ", even..." It wasn't really the main part of my question.