FarFromSam Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Brothers, we have over looked the gift GW has given us. I, like statistically most players, will never win a GT. Even if DA had eldar or neuron level codexes, I likely would never stand a chance in big tournaments. Now, it ain't my fault! I get to move my mental prowess away from min maxing, and really focus on creative GW curses. Not since the days of 4++ storm shields among 3++ peers have I had so much material work with. Additionally, all of our recent fraters who joined during our (relatively) power years can join in the laments! "I was there the day GW :cuss: upon the lore." "I remember when DW had mixed terminator squads. " "I Bought and DW apothecaries and banner bearers." Truly we are blessed. Thank you GW, so kind. Blindhamster, Grotsmasha, phandaal and 2 others 1 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I remember when Terminators rolled Armour Saves on 2 dice.... Karhedron, unrealchamp88, Lhorke and 8 others 3 1 6 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6018108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Bretton Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 People keep saying the lore has been ruined but I haven't seen anything on that, what have they changed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6018140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 "I was there when we could outflank an entire Ravenwing Army." My opponents hated me. Just now, Marshall Bretton said: People keep saying the lore has been ruined but I haven't seen anything on that, what have they changed? Well, my BnC title is about to be redundant for one Deus_Ex_Machina and FarFromSam 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6018141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Knight Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 If anyone has a round-up of the new lore I would be thrilled to hear it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6018199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion El Jason Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Power armour in the first company is the main one. Interrogator Stobz 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6018211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarFromSam Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 How many unique units does that make now? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6018212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarFromSam Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 7 hours ago, Marshall Bretton said: People keep saying the lore has been ruined but I haven't seen anything on that, what have they changed? Also, I believe stormravens (which are now RW) are piloted by techmarines. Not a good idea while trying compartmentalize. But that's nit picky considering the thing transports dreadnoughts which is anathema to the idea of RW... or is an infantry transport... lazy rules writing, bad recent lore paired with a hobby that encourages you to lovingly paint, detail, name, and create a back story for units is hard to do when the company itself has lost the thread. Interrogator Stobz, unrealchamp88, MoriyaSchism and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6018234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 14 hours ago, Grotsmasha said: I remember when Terminators rolled Armour Saves on 2 dice.... Thanks for making me feel old dude... unrealchamp88 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6018256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoriyaSchism Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) On 1/23/2024 at 4:32 PM, Lion El Jason said: Power armour in the first company is the main one. I don't really mind Deathwing coloured power armour, but seeing full squads of power armoured troops in Deathwing colours doesn't feel quite right to me because it makes chapters like Angels of Absolution feel less special. I do like the idea of painting Veteran Sergeants and company officers with Terminator honours white. If I recall correctly the Company Master on the cover of Dark Millennium had white armour and a ceremonial dagger. Edited January 24 by MoriyaSchism NTaW, unrealchamp88, Marshal Mittens and 2 others 3 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6018469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestBlade Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Anyone else considering adding some vanguard vets to the Inner Circle detachment? I was thinking 2 SS and 3 meltapistols. Have them hop around and grab objectives. It would add some fast elements that could benefit from the detachment too. I’m using the 30k interemptors as sternguard so I would put some jump packs on them and have them be my fallen element inside the force. Lions says it is ok now lol Karhedron and Interrogator Stobz 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6018702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 They're definitely an interesting unit, but I'm not going to do any. It's likely they'll get a new kit at some point, and they're almost certainly going to do something funky with loadouts and options in the kit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6018708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I guess is successor chapter time. How will Sternguard perform for DA? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6018772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion El Jason Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I've been running combi-sternguard with azrael. They are good vs heavy infantry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6018952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacitus Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/23/2024 at 1:29 AM, Marshall Bretton said: People keep saying the lore has been ruined but I haven't seen anything on that, what have they changed? DA now have Sternguard and Vanguard. A few other unit changes. The big one: The Hunt for the Fallen thing is about to get RetConned/abandoned pretty hard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6019043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Bretton Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 So I know that deathwing have always been terminators, but I don't see why adding a power armour option is an issue. Terminator armour is great, but is isn't always practical, sometimes you just need the manoeuvrability and lack of being a walking tank that you get from being in normal gear. I will personally wait to see how the fallen thing goes, to me it seems more like it will carry on but rather than going to the interrogator chaplains, they go to the lion and if he forgives them then they get to come back. Tbh that is actually making me more interested in the background as it adds more depth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6019085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion El Jason Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 2 hours ago, Marshall Bretton said: So I know that deathwing have always been terminators, but I don't see why adding a power armour option is an issue. Terminator armour is great, but is isn't always practical, sometimes you just need the manoeuvrability and lack of being a walking tank that you get from being in normal gear. No doubt, the point is the Dark Angels have always ignored that and never had power armour in the first company. They are the Stubborn chapter and change is never good. Its also about being the only legion with enough suits to equip the whole company (And more) with terminator suits. No other chapter can do this. Its a difference and its been thrown away, and it looks like it was just done out of ignorance, the devs just didn't read the fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6019107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacitus Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 16 minutes ago, Lion El Jason said: No doubt, the point is the Dark Angels have always ignored that and never had power armour in the first company. They are the Stubborn chapter and change is never good. Its also about being the only legion with enough suits to equip the whole company (And more) with terminator suits. No other chapter can do this. Its a difference and its been thrown away, and it looks like it was just done out of ignorance, the devs just didn't read the fluff. eh. I'm not sure "No other chapter can do this" but I'm absolutely on board with the idea that the Dark Angels had TDA armor coming out of their ears and didn't field Power Armored First Company. The most famous Fallen is Cypher. Its hard to do the Is He or Isn't He with the Lion now back from the dead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6019110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Bretton Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 I get what people are saying, but just because deathwing are using power armour doesn't mean the chapter doesn't still have enough tda for the whole company, it just means they sometimes think power armour is better. Maybe with the lion back they have gone back to some of the old ways like the original deathwing companions being power armoured bodyguards (I know they could also wear tda as required). Let's be honest if he had wanted to the lion could probably have deployed most of the legion in tda but he didn't because it isn't always the right tool for the job Ultimately it's a decision made for sales purposes so that dark angels players can also buy and use the veteran units but I don't think it is hard to make it fit from a lore perspective either Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6019114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacitus Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Marshall Bretton said: I get what people are saying, but just because deathwing are using power armour doesn't mean the chapter doesn't still have enough tda for the whole company, it just means they sometimes think power armour is better. Maybe with the lion back they have gone back to some of the old ways like the original deathwing companions being power armoured bodyguards (I know they could also wear tda as required). Let's be honest if he had wanted to the lion could probably have deployed most of the legion in tda but he didn't because it isn't always the right tool for the job Ultimately it's a decision made for sales purposes so that dark angels players can also buy and use the veteran units but I don't think it is hard to make it fit from a lore perspective either Yeah, but First Company TDA was their thing - this is a smaller change because they added BGV to the Deathwing. - the big one really is probably The Hunt ForThe Fallen - which is the Ravenwing's Raison d’être - which doesn't bode well for them, and the chances Cypher remains some sort of important character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6019127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion El Jason Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 These bits of lore that differentiate the chapter from vanilla or other divergent chapters are at least as important as the rules that do so. These veterans should have been in the 3-9th companies. Its literally where "Company Champions" came from originally (When they were DA only - I note the one stable Dark Angel tradition of having good stuff removed and given to every other chapter in the game continues as it has since 3rd ed...) Its quite clear they were writing for the "New hotness" fluff and just didn't care if they got the history correct. FarFromSam and phandaal 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6020918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacitus Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Be careful of the "greener grass" thing - Most of the Big Four Chapters get this - Originally Sternguard were UM only, Vanguard were BA only, and DA were Terminator Only. Later on, you saw the Doctrines being UM only, then expanded to all while UM Got a Super Doctrine, then everyone did. Its fairly normal for one of the Big Four to be used as a test bed for a concept that moves out to all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6020947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion El Jason Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 You are mis remembering some things but its not important. Dark Angels ONLY consistent trait is that literally anything good is taken away and given to everyone else. Dark Angels get the :cuss:ty end of the stick. You know why Deathwing were "Teleport Experts" for a few editions? Because Deepstrike was such a bad idea nobody ever used it. Squadrons of Landspeeder Tornadoes? Originally RW only. Turns out concentrated firepower is good so next edition DA were the only chapter that couldn't do it! Hell even Heavy Bolter and assault cannon options were supposed to be DA unique, but they were too good to not give everyone else. I could go on listing like 20 more things from memory (Str 6 power swords! This was an intentional snub to Azrael in 2nd ed, he was the only chapter master not to get Str 8 in melee, but then in 3rd ed they were actually good, and DA could give them to any character. So by 4th everyone had relic blades and DA no longer could give theirs out.) This is a specifically Dark Angels thing. This is the reason we've been the worst faction in the game for more than half the game's existence and the worst space marines codex in all but 3 editions. Its not my first time dealing with this. You just have to see what floats to the top and see if you can do anything with it. We're codex: Azrael now (Until his points go up...) phandaal and kooper 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6021001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacitus Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 All TDA and Dreads could get Assault Cannons in 2nd Ed - and I'm pretty sure I'm not misremembering. I've got the Codex UM and the Codex Angels of Death. In 2nd Ed Power swords were S5. Power Axes (which is what Dante had because they hadn't named and specialized his axe yet had two profiles 1h=S5/2h=S6, Azrael's Sword of Secrets was already a thing, and was S6. Logan Grimnar's Axe Morkai was a thing, and was always S6. He also had a Power Fist as he was in Terminator Armor- but the bonus to the Axe made it preferred most of the time. The Heavy Bolter is included in my 2nd Ed Codex UM for Devastator Squads. I just pulled out the three codices, and the Wargear book from my 2nd Edition box, so what am I misremembering here? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6021008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 On 1/25/2024 at 9:38 AM, Malakithe said: I guess is successor chapter time. How will Sternguard perform for DA? Pretty well I think. They are basically better Intercessors but the latest points drop has them cost the same as Intercessors did at the start of 10th. Any unit with OC1 is going to benefit most from Grim Resolve as half of 1 rounded up is still 1. At 90 points for a squad, they add some cheap(ish) bodies for Objective Camping while still fitting the 1st company theme if you wish. Malakithe 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382171-the-silver-lining/#findComment-6021022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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