Jolemai Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) Balance https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/dKoVkM0TCEGV9plY.pdf Points https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/I5QAEb5U4TUdNRGP.pdf Edited January 30 by Jolemai SnorriSnorrison 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 +2S on the Charge, very nice! That means Power weapons and Heirloom weapons will be hitting at S8 with a Jump Captain. DemonGSides and Khorneeq 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/#findComment-6019905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhavien Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Powerfists S10 on the charge. Interesting! Goranged, Karhedron and The4thHorseman 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/#findComment-6019932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Nobody else find it odd that world eaters didn’t get the same? Also, seems kinda heavy handed and lazy as a “fix” honestly. ThaneOfTas, SnorriSnorrison and Mostwanted 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/#findComment-6019948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goranged Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 minute ago, Blindhamster said: Nobody else find it odd that world eaters didn’t get the same? Also, seems kinda heavy handed and lazy as a “fix” honestly. like a James Swallow novel. We need more Guy Haley. Sorry it was my first thought. The extra strength is appreciated though. I was expecting some SG and Meph love. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/#findComment-6019951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 minute ago, Blindhamster said: Nobody else find it odd that world eaters didn’t get the same? Also, seems kinda heavy handed and lazy as a “fix” honestly. I am actually pleasantly surprised we got buffed at all. I was genuinely expecting to get nothing but points adjustments until our Codex supplement dropped. Our detachment bonus is not exactly complicated so this sort of simple fix makes more sense than adding entirely new buffs. Would I like to see some buffs like charge bouses? Absolutely. Was I expecting to see any in a dataslate? Not really. DemonGSides 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/#findComment-6019952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Just now, Goranged said: I was expecting some SG and Meph love. Do GW really think SG are in the right place at 35ppm? BGVs are 30ppm, have 50% more wounds and a 4++. I think GW over-values the 12" move of SG. They are good but not that good! DemonGSides 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/#findComment-6019953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 12 minutes ago, Karhedron said: I am actually pleasantly surprised we got buffed at all. I was genuinely expecting to get nothing but points adjustments until our Codex supplement dropped. Our detachment bonus is not exactly complicated so this sort of simple fix makes more sense than adding entirely new buffs. Would I like to see some buffs like charge bouses? Absolutely. Was I expecting to see any in a dataslate? Not really. mid have preferred it reverted to 1st round of combat the buff is active like the past two editions personally. Similarly simple fix, and would mean it’s more readily applicable Karhedron, Xenith and Rhavien 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/#findComment-6019959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 14 minutes ago, Blindhamster said: Nobody else find it odd that world eaters didn’t get the same? Also, seems kinda heavy handed and lazy as a “fix” honestly. 100% my thoughts, the +2S is okay, it’s nothing world-changing. A few break points for anti-infantry weapons change, and a few for anti-tank melee. The enhancements are still terrible and the strats are okay(well, 50% are). Not seeing any points changes to go along with this is definitely a bummer and SG will continue not being worth their points. I guess all we can do is hope for the best in a new supplement? Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/#findComment-6019960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 I'm sad my Tacticals and Devastators didn't get cheaper Khorneeq, ThaneOfTas and SnorriSnorrison 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/#findComment-6019968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jolemai said: I'm sad my Tacticals and Devastators didn't get cheaper Or gotten the option for being taken in squads of 5… Devs are good though I think. The grav and MM bombs do work. Edited January 30 by SnorriSnorrison Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/#findComment-6019970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 46 minutes ago, SnorriSnorrison said: Devs are good though I think. The grav and MM bombs do work. It is the cheapest way to get Lascannons into a list as well. 120 points for 4 of them is not at all shabby. Park them on your home Objective and start sniping tanks/monsters. SnorriSnorrison 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/#findComment-6019980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhavien Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Would also have preferred first round of combat instead of +2 S. I'm also irritated, that Drukhari got such a spotlight sitting right at 45 winrate like ourselves. Maybe they thought we get a synergy buff from increasing the points of some generic sapce marine units? That was meant to be sarcastic, just to be clear. DemonGSides and ThaneOfTas 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/#findComment-6019983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Drukhari really needed help. I have seen some analyses that put them below 40% winrate. Getting bonuses on the first round (regardless of Charges) would be nice but does not seem to be a common thing in 10th. Really we need some points drops on several of our key units. SnorriSnorrison 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/#findComment-6019988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 30 minutes ago, Karhedron said: It is the cheapest way to get Lascannons into a list as well. 120 points for 4 of them is not at all shabby. Park them on your home Objective and start sniping tanks/monsters. Not moving also makes them ignore cover which helps! yeah I think getting the bonus in the first round of every new combat is necessary. (just make it like it was in 9th, Gw, please - it wasn’t much but at least it worked!) Also, top it off with +1 to advance and charge, while you’re at it. Honestly, melee is so bad you could slap a lot of buffs into the same detachment and not be OP. Rhavien and Karhedron 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/#findComment-6020003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 9 hours ago, Karhedron said: It is the cheapest way to get Lascannons into a list as well. 120 points for 4 of them is not at all shabby. Park them on your home Objective and start sniping tanks/monsters. In tournament level terrains layout, which have higher density, if you park an infantry model on your home objective, usually it can't see any targets. Ash and SnorriSnorrison 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/#findComment-6020088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goranged Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) I've been playing with some numbers and I'd like to share if you want to play with it. It's not accounting for inv saves or fnp, just something basic to have an idea of damage tiers, what looks good in CC and what no. Anyway rule of cool > math, but I was curious. Edit: adding link instead. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FkgAwosGd3FcqhzZDh-KjBw7E9Ag-O3Axty7DYgvX8w/edit?usp=drivesdk Edited February 1 by Goranged Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/#findComment-6020325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Brother @Goranged, your attachment did not survive translation from the Warp. Maybe take a screenshot and share it as an image instead. I like the odd bit of MathHammer so I am interested to see what you have got. Blindhamster and Goranged 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/#findComment-6020353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goranged Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 does it work now? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/#findComment-6020411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGSides Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 It did work for me just a second ago. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382224-ba-balance-changes/#findComment-6020412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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