CyderPirate Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Hey all, How have people been getting on using Valkyries so far in 10th? I'd like to use them for theme reasons, but at around ~200pts they seem like a real handicap compared to what else you can get for the same points. My experience so far has been pretty mixed, but I don't get to play a lot. And it turned out that I was cheating (I'd put Navy Breachers inside - neither me nor my opponent realised that was a no-no), which kinda ruins the results! I'd like to try loading 2 up with Kasrkin, and combine them with 2 deep-striking scion units for a bit of threat-saturation to take mid/backfield objectives. I'm really interested in any feedback you fine folks might have from running them, or any of the other flyers for that matter! The way I see it: Pros: Mobility - I really like the idea of getting around the table quickly to get to objectives Some OK shooting - can't be relied on, but it can sometimes chip in some wounds, especially with lascannon/missile rack Hover - the option to go in hover mode allows you to set them up turn 1 rather than waiting a turn Cons: Price - one of the most expensive units in the Index that isn't a Superheavy Shooting - typical crappy BS for shooting Durability - I don't think they take much firepower to knock out, and would probably get focused early. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382558-valkyries/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 They are good, they are tough(T10, 2+ save, 14 wounds), and they have decent firepower. But I think the massive nerfs they did to flyers does a massive disservice to all of the Guard flyers. Not being able to switch between modes is ridiculous, that's the point of having modes. So to answer the question, they are good but not competitive. I would field them in a fun Air Cav style list like we used to be able to do but would not expect to be winning tournies with it. Maybe we will get lucky in the new codex and they will get buffed up a little. CyderPirate 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382558-valkyries/#findComment-6029273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutumnEffect Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) Their special rule is really lackluster which doesn't help. It only affects units with Deep Strike but why would you put a unit that can Deep Strike in a transport that can potentially get shot down and damage the squad inside when you could just... Deep Strike them? It's already baked into the unit's point cost too. If they just removed that Deep Strike rider they would be a lot more fun. Dropping 4 Bullgryn/Ogryn down at the end of your opponents movement phase could be a real spanner in the works. Kasrkin could do OK in them because you can drop a load of special weapons with good accuracy at close range, but you can't use the Kasrkin's Scout rule which kinda stinks. You'd basically be screwing yourself out of 2 Special Rules, the Kasrkin's Scout and the Valkyrie's Grav Chute. They are just too expensive right now. You can damn near get 3 Chimera for the price of 1 Valkyrie. Edited March 21 by AutumnEffect librisrouge, sairence and CyderPirate 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382558-valkyries/#findComment-6029477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mertbl Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Does Scout specifically rule out aircraft? I think you nailed it with points cost. If a valk was 150ish points id try harder to use one but at 200, nah i'm good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382558-valkyries/#findComment-6030005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroitchi Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I miss when Valkyries were 120points… Sergeant Bastone 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382558-valkyries/#findComment-6030016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutumnEffect Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) 6 hours ago, mertbl said: Does Scout specifically rule out aircraft? I think you nailed it with points cost. If a valk was 150ish points id try harder to use one but at 200, nah i'm good. You can only use Scout on Dedicated Transports which is a unit type/keyword now. I.E. Chimera, Taurox and the Storm Trooper Taurox. Edited March 23 by AutumnEffect Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382558-valkyries/#findComment-6030072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Bastone Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 I have no idea how they made it through September and January with GW saying "200 points is the right cost". They are super durable, more so than a Russ, which doesn't really make sense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382558-valkyries/#findComment-6032675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheArtilleryman Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 On 3/20/2024 at 12:55 PM, Galron said: But I think the massive nerfs they did to flyers does a massive disservice to all of the Guard flyers. Not being able to switch between modes is ridiculous, that's the point of having modes. This. So disappointed in how flyers are now treated. I’d like to build a list around Valkyries but seeing as my Stormraven gets knocked out of the sky by a breath of wind, it’s not gonna happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382558-valkyries/#findComment-6032696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutumnEffect Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 2 minutes ago, TheArtilleryman said: This. So disappointed in how flyers are now treated. I’d like to build a list around Valkyries but seeing as my Stormraven gets knocked out of the sky by a breath of wind, it’s not gonna happen. I'm really surprised that your Stormraven gets knocked out easily. It's pretty tough with the -1 damage ability. Threat saturation with hulls could make a Valkyrie list viable, it's just that, obviously, they cost too damn much for that to be practical. DemonGSides 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382558-valkyries/#findComment-6032697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheArtilleryman Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 hour ago, AutumnEffect said: I'm really surprised that your Stormraven gets knocked out easily. Death Guard Plagueburst crawler. Supersonic aircraft gets totalled with a freaking mortar. WAR 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382558-valkyries/#findComment-6032703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutumnEffect Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 minute ago, TheArtilleryman said: Death Guard Plagueburst crawler. Supersonic aircraft gets totalled with a freaking mortar. Ah, yeah, those are Pretty Good™ at the moment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/382558-valkyries/#findComment-6032705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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