Leagues of votann - blasters vs bolters

[Usernamesareannoying]

any input on which to take on the kyn?

[AutumnEffect]

Some quick maths for a unit of 10 with no other considerations.

10 Bolters vs...
T 3 5+ armour: 4.44 wounds

T 3 4+ armour: 3.33 wounds
T 5 6+ armour: 2.78 wounds

T 4 4+ armour: 2.5 wounds
T 4 3+ armour: 1.67 wounds
T 5 2+ armour 4+ invuln: .56 wounds

10 Ion Blasters vs...
T 3 5+ armour: 3.33 wounds

T 3 4+ armour: 2.78 wounds
T 5 6+ armour: 2.5 wounds

T 4 4+ armour: 2.78 wounds
T 4 3+ armour: 2.22 wounds
T 5 2+ armour 4+ invuln: 1.25 wounds

This obviously doesn't take into account range, but (unsurprisingly) as armour saves increase, the Ion Blaster becomes the superior option. 
The biggest outliers were in the 'Guard' profile (T 3 5+) where the Bolters had a significant edge and the Custodes (T5 2+ 4+ invuln) where it was the Ions that had the bigger edge.

My takeaway is that it's pretty much a wash with the Bolters having an edge with an extra 6" of range but the Ions being broadly more useful against more threatening units and especially vehicles.

[Montoya]

Something wrong in your math there, either that or there is in mine.  (didn't check them all) but as an example

 

ion blasters on T5 6+ armour:

 

10 shots hit 6.7 times  (assuming you're hitting on 3's

Wound T5 on 4's so 3.35 wounds.

No save for 6+ armour due to the Ap-2

 

bolters on T5 6+ armour

 

20 shots hit 13.4 times

Wound on 5's so 4.422 times.

Save on 6's so say 3.69 wounds

 

What am I missing?  did you assume they don't all have bolters/ion blasters?

[Guest Triszin]

I like ion over bolters, cause rule of cool

[AutumnEffect]

On 4/16/2024 at 6:00 PM, Montoya said:

Something wrong in your math there, either that or there is in mine.  (didn't check them all) but as an example

 

ion blasters on T5 6+ armour:

 

10 shots hit 6.7 times  (assuming you're hitting on 3's

Wound T5 on 4's so 3.35 wounds.

No save for 6+ armour due to the Ap-2

 

bolters on T5 6+ armour

 

20 shots hit 13.4 times

Wound on 5's so 4.422 times.

Save on 6's so say 3.69 wounds

 

What am I missing?  did you assume they don't all have bolters/ion blasters?

 

I didn't assume they were hitting on 3's.

In my example I said "Some quick maths for a unit of 10 with no other considerations."

The math is correct with them hitting on 4+.

[Dr. Clock]

On one unit? Doesn't matter.

 

2 units? 1 of each.

 

3 units? Doesn't matter - for me it's 2 bolters because two of them are backfield/ far flank campers and the range matters.

 

4? Back to 2 of each... but nobody is realistically taking 4. Probably.

 

Most comp lists seem to take 1, maybe two if going full Sagitaur spam. I take 3 ; )

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

[Montoya]

On 4/24/2024 at 1:22 AM, AutumnEffect said:

 

I didn't assume they were hitting on 3's.

In my example I said "Some quick maths for a unit of 10 with no other considerations."

The math is correct with them hitting on 4+.

 

 

Got it.   That makes sense then.