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[SkimaskMohawk]

8 hours ago, Pacific81 said:

 

It's funny as Legions is the first 'new' GW game I've collected in years and for me it's pretty remarkable how mercenary things have become (you could call it maximising profit, or good business sense I guess, YMMV):

The 3K base game size (too big, no-one I know plays it as standard), the building kit releases which have been framed as the only terrain to play the game on (rather than more interesting/varied terrain that might involve a customer buying model railway trees or making hills from a model store), squeezing multiple minis onto the base even though it looks crap (like the bikes above) just so it sells a few more boxes, even the hilarious price to points value ratio of the drop pod boxes - waiting for the landed gentry to come in with their all drop pod armies, bought at frankly insane cost.

I guess for people who have kept up with 40k/Sigmar it doesn't seem as bad? Like the frog in the pot of water that is slowly being heated..!

 

Ya I remember doing some rough math on the release of the first boxes and it cost around 800-1000 cad to collect 3000 of legions or SA. That's the same as a competitive 2000 point 40k army (no idea about AoS, haven't collected it or played it since the start of 2nd), so it's spending scheme is definitely on par.

 

And that's without even going into the practice of jamming 2-4 different units into a single box, preventing an economical selection of what you want to collect/play with. The solar aux infantry box is notable for having like, no dud units in terms of sculpts or undesirable rules; the marine infantry box has the ever-argued mold slips and also the never taken plasma gunners (seriously, as soon as we got enough of a collection to not take the plasma gunners to fill points, we dropped them). The support box for the Marines is also all over the place in terms of models. Like, was it too much for a dreadnought box? And then a rapier/tarantula box with enough to make min units of each weapon load out?

 

 

[LameBeard]

2 hours ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

 

… then a rapier/tarantula box with enough to make min units of each weapon load out?

 

 

Seriously? I don’t get enough rapiers to make a minimum unit? Or does it just force me to mix weapons in a way I don’t want to? Yes I know I could check this myself, I’m just not near the rulebook. After the hoops they jumped through to make 2 assault stands a legal upgrade, rapiers would have been easier. If I read them correctly, the NetEpic lists/rules that @Pacific81 pointed me to might be the answer.

[Arendious]

13 minutes ago, LameBeard said:

Seriously? I don’t get enough rapiers to make a minimum unit? Or does it just force me to mix weapons in a way I don’t want to? Yes I know I could check this myself, I’m just not near the rulebook. After the hoops they jumped through to make 2 assault stands a legal upgrade, rapiers would have been easier. If I read them correctly, the NetEpic lists/rules that @Pacific81 pointed me to might be the answer.

 

You get enough in a support box to make two Las and two Mortar Rapiers. The hulls are even slightly different, so magnetizing would still be difficult even if you sourced extra weapons. 

 

Granted, technically 2 Rapiers is a min-size unit. But I don't see the use-case for a mixed las/mortar team, so you're looking at buying a second box to get one full mortar detachment and one las detachment.

[DuskRaider]

I actually think the 3 Bikes per base looks pretty cool, same with the Jetbikes. Glad to see the options for an entire Formation are finally seeing the light of day, should make folks happy. 
 

It is odd that we haven’t seen the rest of the old Aeronautica models released yet. I sorta understand the Starter Box exclusives still being unreleased at this point (they have to sell X amount of Starters I suppose), but pre-existing models should have been available by now. They finally remedied that issue with the AT models, so I would hope they’d do the same with the fliers soon as well. 

[SkimaskMohawk]

4 hours ago, LameBeard said:

Seriously? I don’t get enough rapiers to make a minimum unit? Or does it just force me to mix weapons in a way I don’t want to? Yes I know I could check this myself, I’m just not near the rulebook. After the hoops they jumped through to make 2 assault stands a legal upgrade, rapiers would have been easier. If I read them correctly, the NetEpic lists/rules that @Pacific81 pointed me to might be the answer.

 

Sorry, it's just the tarantulas that force you to mix both together to run the minimum unit of 4; you can take the marine rapiers in 2s and maintain mono load out. 

 

The solar aux box is a way better version; 4 of each of their 3 rapier carriages and 6 of each tarantula. The cyclops are a dud units, but don't realistically compromise the amount of carriages and tarantulas you get. 

 

 

[vadersson]

Glad to see more units are getting released, now they just need to keep making more.  I am still waiting for Kratos tanks I ordered when the game came out (from my FLGS).  I visited a real GW store in Indianapolis over the weekend.  They have 2 starter sets, 2 Direwolf boxes, a Baneblade kit, and (surprisingly) a box of Legion Infantry,  6 boxes total.  I still can't actually make both a Solar and Legion 1500 pt army with all the stuff I have already got.  It is really annoying.

[Pacific81]

@Arendious it depends with that if the person you are playing insists on WYSIWYG for those rapier loadouts. People I have played so far haven't (we've just said 'these are all x' for example). But I know some people are insisting so that might not suit everyone.

 

@LameBeard yep Epic SM/NetEpic doesn't have loadouts, a rapier is a rapier. 3 for 50pts, not going to set the world on fire but just something to spend pts on if you have a few left over

[Interrogator Stobz]

Lolz, broken record here in NZ...

Still waiting on almost everything. It's easier to list what is available...Starter Box, Land Raiders, Spartans... that's it. 

Edited April 30 by Interrogator Stobz

[MithrilForge]

16 hours ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

Lolz, broken record here in NZ...

Still waiting on almost everything. It's easier to list what is available...Starter Box, Land Raiders, Spartans... that's it. 

They need a "Lamentation" Emoji... I feel for you Brother ... 

 

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[Marshal Rohr]

If you buy three of the legion support boxes you can make 2 full strength Levi and Deredeo Support detachments (iirc they max out at 6), 2 anti-armor and 2 anti-air tarantula batteries, and two anti-armor and two artillery rapier detachments. Same issue with the Legion Infantry box, they intend for them to be bought in 3s. 

[SkimaskMohawk]

Ya, offering small amounts of each unit to encourage repeated sales for full collection is a terrible practice for the consumer. 

 

"Oh, you want a single full unit of terminators in LI? Just buy 4 boxes of infantry and you'll have them, and assault marines, and plasma, and missiles. Think of the value!" "But I just want 8 terminators, I don't want the other models."

 

You shouldn't need to spend 120£ to get a single full unit of 8 8mm stands that you want lol. Like, I can buy 4 boxes of SA basilisks and almost have 3 full strength units to the tune of $240 cad. It's a lot of money, but if I really wanted that much artillery it gives me over 1000 points of the model I want. If I wanted 3 full units of marine quad mortars (as the only barrage unit available for marines currently), that'd cost me....$720 cad. 

 

Easy to see why people dive in to printing when confronted by choices like that lol. 

 

[Marshal Rohr]

It’s definitely an annoying situation when you can build your support elements like armor and artillery in totality for 150, but if you spend 300 for core infantry you’re still stuck with a ton of things you don’t really need. I guess it’s the calculus they made when doing the mold but it feels very bad when buying. 

[Redcomet]

In ye olden times of Epic, wasn’t the Marines on mixed sprues too?

[Marshal Rohr]

5 minutes ago, Redcomet said:

In ye olden times of Epic, wasn’t the Marines on mixed sprues too?

Yes but the units weren’t so mixed across the force org. 

[Noserenda]

They were waaaaaay cheaper then too. I vaguely recall buying another box of guard for extra ogryns and it wasn't awful, and I was a penniless teen at the time :D

[Pacific81]

3 hours ago, Redcomet said:

In ye olden times of Epic, wasn’t the Marines on mixed sprues too?

 

Yes and you did end up with some units that were really difficult to get hold of - remember you seeing stuff like Eldar Exarchs being 1 or 2 to a base! Or people used to trade contents of boxsets with each other. 

 

But the box sets themselves were much cheaper comparably. Epic itself was seen as probably one of the cheapest wargames you could play (which is why so many of us around the 40yr old mark started on that game rather than 40k) and because it was much more abstract, you would put flagpoles on units to mark them as champions, or paint Eldar guardians in red to show they were Fire Dragons etc. But, I think in any case a comparable teenager these days with pocket money and considering Legions would take one look at the prices and then go elsewhere.  

I think the target market is the guys who bought the original, and now stomp around in frustration because their fading eyesight and motor control can't differentiate multi-part dreadnought legs and end up gluing their fingers together!

Edited May 1 by Pacific81

[Robbienw]

I'm pretty sure in the early 90's the small coloured boxes of plastic epic infantry and vehicles were £6 each.  Still have a yellow imperial guard infantry box in the loft somewhere.  Fond memories!

[DuskRaider]

I would like to think that eventually we will get more specific box sets. Maybe they’ll be different armor patterns or something, but GW has to see that this is a hindrance for a lot of people. 
 

I’ve said previously that perhaps this is why we’re getting such an abundance of seemingly redundant transports now… they intend to focus on infantry and specialist formations next. One can only hope. 

[Interrogator Stobz]

2 hours ago, Robbienw said:

I'm pretty sure in the early 90's the small coloured boxes of plastic epic infantry and vehicles were £6 each.  Still have a yellow imperial guard infantry box in the loft somewhere.  Fond memories!

If they had gone up with inflation that would be around £13 now.

But TBF they are far better and bigger now too, so not a great comparison. 

[Vogon]

12 hours ago, Pacific81 said:

 

Yes and you did end up with some units that were really difficult to get hold of - remember you seeing stuff like Eldar Exarchs being 1 or 2 to a base! Or people used to trade contents of boxsets with each other. 

 

Possibly the worst for this was the EPIC Stompers box which had one or two units per army. I seem to remember Eldar dreadnoughts,  Chaos dreadnoughts and androids,  Marine dreadnoughts ans terminators Stuat/IG mole mortars and of course Ork Stompers.

Lots of swapping went on with this one. I think I still have a sprue in a box with some bits on. 

Cheers

Vogon 

[LameBeard]

I can see some compromises are necessary on mixed sprues. I like the Astartes support box more because I wanted the dreadnoughts and they seem to be the real stars for me as models - small enough to show the scale, big enough to see the cool details. I’ve only built the Deredos so far, though. 
 

I might give the rapiers and tarantulas to my son to make into Auxillia, because I’m rapidly outspending him on Legions. Or I might look at swapping, same as for terminators and assault marines; it will be more satisfying at 4 stands and their own detachment.

 

@Vogon shokk attack guns too!

Edited May 2 by LameBeard

[Matrindur]

Sprue pics are up:

 

Interesting bits are that the "flight stands" for the Jet bikes and Proteus Land Speeders are already molded to the body, only the Javelin one has to be glued on. Also it looks like you might be able to switch the Bike and Jetbike riders around for more visual variation? 
Dracosans and Javelins seem to have enough bits to choose which weapons you want, Proteus have the bottom gun molded to the body and only one of each of the top one so no choice.

 

Fast attack:

 

Stormhammer:

 

Dreadnought Drop pods:

 

Dracosan:

Edited May 3 by Matrindur

[Interrogator Stobz]

Woot!

Drop pods both normal and Dread are now up for pre order here in NZ... and I ordered some from an online indy.

And some of the fast attack lads too.

 

And Dracosans and Artillery for the lad.

 

Let's hope GW supply them the numbers they expect. 

[Burni]

Once again the Solar Aux stuff walks the line between number of parts/detail and ease of build while the Legion stuff has a bit too many fiddly parts.

 

Still enjoy building them though, so it’s all good.