Legions Imperialis Legions Imperialis: The Devastation of Tallarn + New Models

[DuskRaider]

Well ‘tis the season for fog machines, they should start popping up in stores like Home Depot soon for Halloween. The fog machines are about $100 and they make corrugated tubing for it to stretch out… it’s not exactly easy to hide, so perhaps there are better alternatives online for that portion of the idea.

 

You can probably find fog machines cheaper on Amazon, not sure about the quality though. Then you have to buy or create your own fog juice. It would certainly be an undertaking, but it could be done and the look would be absolutely awesome.  

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

48 minutes ago, grailkeeper said:

 

 

They could just cover the tabel with a literal fog machine.

Gee-Dubbs will release appropriate lightweight cloth with support structures as soon as they read this thread. Tailored to fit only a specific board size and imprinted with their logo it will be a steal for only a 100 bucks.

[Sky Potato]

13 hours ago, INKS said:

how hard are these to build and paint, so tiny. kinda cute though

 

Tamiya Extra Thin glue is a god send for putting some of the LI models together

[Interrogator Stobz]

4 hours ago, DuskRaider said:

I actually find it more tedious at times due to the size and the amount of minis you end up doing at once. Part of this may be my own doing since I ended up painting multiple Infantry boxes at the same time, but getting all of the ring details on that many little guys at once is a chore, quite frankly. On the flip side, I actually find doing the tanks quite enjoyable. 

I agree, Tanks are fun, infantry are a tad tedius, but en masse look super impressive. 

I was answering his question about difficulty as opposed to amount of work /tedium levels. 

I have laborers hands, I have found assembly fine, even the tiny bits go on ok if you only glue one side. Gotta love learning.

[DuskRaider]

Yeah, assembly isn’t too bad. The one that gave me the most fits was the Deredeo, that model is not intuitive at all and the legs and torso assembly were a nightmare. 

[SkimaskMohawk]

On 8/5/2024 at 5:35 PM, DuskRaider said:

Wouldn’t the turret options be stronger than a Heavy Bolter though? I’d have to dig my book out and look at the Mageara as I would assume a tank mounted Volkite would be similar in both size and strength. 

 

Oh definitely. 

 

I feel like they're worried about weapon implementation. So far we generally have 1 shot AT, 2 shot light AT, and 3 shot light. But volkites traditionally are both stronger than bolters, have more shots, and the heaviest versions have more range to boot. So do they do a 3 shot 5+ light AT with deflagrate for culverins? How many for the Kratos turrets, or do they just improve the hit roll? Does that just trivialize the other options?

 

I say all this, but we all know this isn't the case for a few reasons. First, the balance is whacked all over the place, with a number of objectively superior choices. Second, we know sculpts drive rules. They have a pretty limited range, and it looks like the initial sculpts acted very much as either dedicated AT or dedicated anti infantry.

[Mandragola]

On 8/6/2024 at 7:13 PM, Interrogator Stobz said:

I agree, Tanks are fun, infantry are a tad tedius, but en masse look super impressive. 

I was answering his question about difficulty as opposed to amount of work /tedium levels. 

I have laborers hands, I have found assembly fine, even the tiny bits go on ok if you only glue one side. Gotta love learning.

My experience is I really like building the tanks, at first. Building a lot of them starts to become a chore. I don't like building Kratos or rhinos, partly because both have loads of tiny exhausts that I have to clean out and stick on without dropping them. So far I've managed it.

 

I don't really like the infantry to be honest. Love the dreadnoughts. The support sprues are the biggest chore though I found. There's no real upside to making loads of tarantulas, sad to say.

[vadersson]

My biggest problem is trying to magnetize the little tanks.  The Kratos is still a question I will try to figure out for the hull guns.  At least I managed to get my malcadors and baneblade sponsons magnetized.  Otherwise tanks have not been so hard.  Painting has been my problem so far.

[DuskRaider]

35 minutes ago, vadersson said:

My biggest problem is trying to magnetize the little tanks.  The Kratos is still a question I will try to figure out for the hull guns.  At least I managed to get my malcadors and baneblade sponsons magnetized.  Otherwise tanks have not been so hard.  Painting has been my problem so far.

Often times, less is more at this scale. I’m not saying slop on a color or two and call it a day, but you can get away with less detail at this scale than you would 28mm. Prime them white for most Legions, use some contrast paint for the armor, paint the guns black and do a little silver like on the mags, chain bayonets, chainswords or what have you and call it a day. 
 

Obviously you can put more detail into them if you’d like (I usually do), but if it feels like a chore then try to cut out some steps. 

[Pacific81]

I still cannot get over the fact that WYSIWYG is expected at this scale - for a 3.5mm side sponsor on a tank that you are viewing more than 4ft away in a poorly lit gaming hall. Whoever made that decision is a masochist. :)

 

To think we used to put little banner poles on infantry bases to determine our Ork Nobz, Eldar Exarchs etc :)

[Interrogator Stobz]

I think we're all a little bit masochistic in this space 

[Mandragola]

3 hours ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

I think we're all a little bit masochistic in this space 

Agreed. A lot of this stuff is self-inflicted. 
 

The issue causing me the most trouble is the number of marine infantry on the sprues. The SA are set out beautifully so that every two sprues gives you full detachments of everything. Whoever decided to put 6 of most kinds of specialist but 5 of others on the sprues was surely evil in its purest form. 
 

it now turns out that I own 12 sprues of marine infantry, which is almost certainly far too many. I actually drew up a spreadsheet to show that I can now take my 72 missile launcher guys, add 8 random sergeants and have 16 bases, with a sergeant for every 10 guys. One of my command bases is going to have a couple of terminators on, leaving me 70 other guys to make 14 bases, and so on. 

 

Meanwhile a far more sane friend is just sticking three guys to every base. That way he can have detachments of everything from a single box. And with the size of the models it looks totally fine, if not better. I just can’t bring myself to do it. 

[Valkyrion]

I'm 4 to a base for infantry, 3 for command squad, 2 for outriders. I've not built jetbikes yet, but I'm very tempted to go 1 to a base, but it's whether they look lost rather than for gaming reasons. I've also built a Commander model flanked by 2 terminators, and another flanked by 2 assault marines to proxy for what I assume to be an inevitable Terminator captain and Jump Pack captain datasheet. 

 

With regards painting - it mainly depends on the scheme, but light plus spot plus gun = done, IMO

e.g Death Guard - mortarion grime all over, creed camo shoulders, black templar gun. World Eaters - apothecary (or soulblight) white, talassar blue, black templar gun. 

Darker legions might want light + wash + spot + gun, and black legions might want dark + drybrush + metals + wash - but don't go mad picking out the shoulder pad knobs, eye lenses, pouches and so on unless you want to, because on the table top you really can't tell. 

In fact, one of the most off putting things is the GW basic painting video where they manage to make all of the dreadnoughts look proper bobbins. 

Theres a couple of good youtube videos which I can't access at work to confirm their names, but I think its ContrastPlus and Mediocre Games, and both use GW paints, usually straight from the pot and are very accessible tutorials for those of use who can't or won't do mixing and blending and airbrushing and so on.

 

[skylerboodie]

is bobbins a good thing or a bad thing?

[DuskRaider]

1 hour ago, Valkyrion said:

I'm 4 to a base for infantry, 3 for command squad, 2 for outriders. I've not built jetbikes yet, but I'm very tempted to go 1 to a base, but it's whether they look lost rather than for gaming reasons. I've also built a Commander model flanked by 2 terminators, and another flanked by 2 assault marines to proxy for what I assume to be an inevitable Terminator captain and Jump Pack captain datasheet. 

 

 

I go five to a base for Tacticals (including Heavy Weapons and Special Weapons), but four to a base for Terminators and Assault Marines. It’s not so much for an advantage or anything, but merely the fact that those two are much larger than Tacticals as far as real estate base-wise. It also doesn’t hurt that I eventually end up with extra bases, however. 
 

I did make a Terminator Command base, only for the Terminator formation to have no HQ option. Sigh…

[Valkyrion]

18 minutes ago, skylerboodie said:

is bobbins a good thing or a bad thing?

 

Depends. If you were to say 'look at the bobbins on that!' then you'd be making a rather crude yet well intentioned compliment to a northern english woman. 

But if something is 'proper bobbins' then it means it's rubbish. 

[Matrindur]

12 minutes ago, DuskRaider said:

I go five to a base for Tacticals (including Heavy Weapons and Special Weapons), but four to a base for Terminators and Assault Marines. It’s not so much for an advantage or anything, but merely the fact that those two are much larger than Tacticals as far as real estate base-wise. It also doesn’t hurt that I eventually end up with extra bases, however. 
 

I did make a Terminator Command base, only for the Terminator formation to have no HQ option. Sigh…

I'm going with 5x for Tacticals and plasma, 4x for missiles and Assault marines and 3x for Terminators. That feels the best to me with the model sizes and it doubles my Terminator bases and 1.5x my missile and Assault marine bases. Works well since it happens often enough that there are extra bases in the boxes.

 

Also wanted to go with 2x bikes per base but since they have a different base size and you can't order those on their own (and I don't have a 3d printer) that didn't work out

[DuskRaider]

I really wish that they would sell the infantry bases separately as they do with the others, but I get why they don’t. 

[Matrindur]

8 minutes ago, DuskRaider said:

I really wish that they would sell the infantry bases separately as they do with the others, but I get why they don’t. 

 

I actually don't get why not. I would understand it if everybody would double the bases they get from a single infantry box but people who would want to do that to save money would probably just go one step further and make/get the bases from somewhere else too instead of buying the official ones.

And for those that just want to get a few more bases of the highly limited ones like Terminators, they are likely not buying a whole other infantry box anyway, and instead buy the Terminators on their own from somebody else. And that way GW doesn't get any money at all. 

And for people wanting to print models it doesn't matter at all since they can just print the bases anyway.

 

So with the extra cash from selling the bases I doubt they would lose much if any money at all while making quite a few of us happy.

Edited August 8 by Matrindur

[Noserenda]

Yeah it's not like renedra doesn't sell a huge range of bases. Or 3d printing/buying actual scenic ones, or China! :D

[DuskRaider]

I think it has more to do with trying to hinder 3D printing and using the official bases. At least that’s what I think they are doing… I could be wrong, but it’s a pain because I want more 25mm bases and I want everything to match. 

[vadersson]

I really wish they would have keep minis either slightly smaller or increased the basic base size up to 32mm.  5 minis per base seems so crowded, but I love the 1 :1 for squad size and stuff.  (Yes, I am the masochist mentioned above.)  I guess I will have to figure out what to do once I figure out how to make my marines look good.

[Pacific81]

18 hours ago, Noserenda said:

Yeah it's not like renedra doesn't sell a huge range of bases. Or 3d printing/buying actual scenic ones, or China! :D

Yes the strategy of not selling bases relies on someone not being able to type "Epic Legions Imperialis bases" into Google or eBay :D

 

Honestly I'm not sure it's a deliberate thing. GW does bases for almost all of their other games, and those other games are no less suspectible to the printer or the proxy.

 

It is a shame though - would be nice for official bases of loads of different types: rocky landscapes, temples, metal etc.

[DuskRaider]

3 hours ago, Pacific81 said:

Yes the strategy of not selling bases relies on someone not being able to type "Epic Legions Imperialis bases" into Google or eBay :D

 

Honestly I'm not sure it's a deliberate thing. GW does bases for almost all of their other games, and those other games are no less suspectible to the printer or the proxy.

 

It is a shame though - would be nice for official bases of loads of different types: rocky landscapes, temples, metal etc.

Yeah that’s a good point about the 28mm bases. I’m not sure why they haven’t released them separately then, but it would be nice if they did. I’ve seen similar ones for sale on eBay but like I said, if they don’t match it’ll drive me up a wall lol. 

[Sky Potato]

I came up with a “cunning” plan for the 25mm base conundrum.

 

My Blood Angels are on the LI bases - 5 tacticals to a base, 3 to the command squad, 4 of everything else. My Sons of Horus are on normal GW 25mm bases, so when I get a box of SoH infantry, the bases go over to the Blood Angels.

 

It is ridiculous that GW don’t sell the 25mm or 32mm bases for LI separately.