genestealer cults benefictus and army box

[sitnam]

It sucks for those players that want to run other detachments alongside some AM stuff, but building and balancing the entire detachment around Brood Brothers is actually a big upgrade. I think it’ll make BB actually viable and not just fluffy extras.

 

ill say it again: I wish Chaos Cult was treated this way

[Indy Techwisp]

21 minutes ago, Dr. Clock said:

Okay. Much rather have this than the 'opportunity' to take 25% units in any detachment that don't interact with the rest of the army. If I'm building a traitor guard army I do want to be able to take at least a tank squadron and couple of chimera squads.

 

I hope Agents of the Imperium ends up extending this 50/50 model for other ally/crusade style Imperial armies tbh - could also pave the way for integrating daemons into the Cult Legion dexes ; )

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

 

Speaking literally here, it is "bad news" for anyone who's GSC army includes a token Brood Brothers presence (say, like 1 Leman Russ and an Infantry Squad or something) as opposed to basically half a guard army.

 

That said, I can't wait to see someone show up to a tourney, put 2 Baneblades and a Tarantula Battery on the table and follow that up with 1000pts of Neophyte Swarm or whatever.

[Indy Techwisp]

13 minutes ago, sitnam said:

ill say it again: I wish Chaos Cult was treated this way

 

IDK, while Chaos Cult would really like to be able to steal a bunch of Guard stuff, Chaos Cult is still a CSM list and thus GW would need to spend the extra 3.5 picograms of brain energy to figure out if Guard plus Cultists plus full-blown Marines would break anything.

[sitnam]

2 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

IDK, while Chaos Cult would really like to be able to steal a bunch of Guard stuff, Chaos Cult is still a CSM list and thus GW would need to spend the extra 3.5 picograms of brain energy to figure out if Guard plus Cultists plus full-blown Marines would break anything.

I just wanna relive the glory days of Renegades and Heretics

[Tokugawa]

At least this detachment looks like "we try to make such models collection playable", not "just for fun" or "it's a joke".

[Rogue]

I wonder why we can't have both - a specific Brood Brothers detachment with a 50% limit and BB-specific bonuses, and a standard 25% BB option (with no synergy) in the other detachments.

[Zoatibix]

Maybe GW got fed up with folks taking a single unit or model for outsize bonuses? Example being the Cyclops. 
 

( I suspect that Imperial forces will still get more leeway in this regard.)

 

Hopefully, it’s because they want to give us some cool stuff in the other Detachments and they simply don’t want us to have that and Guard units to worry about.

I personally like the idea of them doubling down on a theme; at least this doesn’t rely on a named character or that kind of rubbish.

 

However, I get why folks might be annoyed. If they did a scout detachment that was great with bikes and RRs but prevented us taking them in the other detachments, that would be irritating.

 

[Vardus]

I like the Brood Brothers detachment. I don't know how I feel about not having them available for the other detachments but I see the probable reasoning behind it, ie 

a) you can run Cult forces without the need for other Codices or Indices (Kroot are in the T'au codex as an example), good for new starters.

b) if any data sheet from an other Codex or Index is strong, it can be partially mitigated by not having the strongest* detachment from the Cult Codex.

 

As an aside I think this kind of detachment would work well for Daemonkin mono god detachments.

 

*This detachment may be strong 

[Orion]

I'm late to the party, but damn. Why the change in codex cover?
Such a waste imo.

Previous cover was amazing. The new one looks like Magneto or something.

 

[Lord Marshal]

I don't think the cover art is bad per say, but the 9th codex was one of the best pieces of 40k art ever. My guess is they changed it because they couldn't make it work with the "have one person in-focus front and centre with everything else faded into the background with the logo" like all the other 10th covers have been. The 9th cover is much more cluttered and there won't have been a good way to focus on the one individual, with the Magnus being off-centre and her lower half concealed.

 

Another Detachment preview. Confirming there'll be five in total. Coincidentally I actually really like the art for each detachment, especially the Biosantic Broodsurge - very grimdark!

 

Edited June 5 by Lord Marshal

[Orion]

18 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

I don't think the cover art is bad per say, but the 9th codex was one of the best pieces of 40k art ever. My guess is they changed it because they couldn't make it work with the "have one person in-focus front and centre with everything else faded into the background with the logo" like all the other 10th covers have been. The 9th cover is much more cluttered and there won't have been a good way to focus on the one individual, with the Magnus being off-centre and her lower half concealed.

I think that's a misstep in general. 6-7th did that, and I really didn't care for that era.
To me 9th was a return to form on the battle/army scenes you'd see in 4th.

 

And yeah, agreed. The 9th GSC was one of the greatest.

[DemonGSides]

I agree that the 9th art is better, but every edition should have bespoke covers and not repeated art. Makes knowing what edition a codex belongs to a lot easier. 

[Dr. Clock]

1 hour ago, Rogue said:

I wonder why we can't have both - a specific Brood Brothers detachment with a 50% limit and BB-specific bonuses, and a standard 25% BB option (with no synergy) in the other detachments.

Just too many places for people to get it wrong and accidentally misapply army/detachment/stratagems in-game. Remember that 50% is the top limit, but technically you could do a 25% list using the detachment if you really 'just want a sprinkle'. Such a list will be likely suboptimal because the detachment appears to encourage a large Guard presence, but I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that the non-synergistic allies was really ever satisfying, so it makes abundant sense to jettison it.

 

At the edges I'd assume some people will just proxy their traitor guard stuff as regular GSC entries if they don't want to expand their Guard collection by a tank or three.

 

My greatest hope is that they'll give us access to cargo-8s, though if they were going to they probably would have told us already.

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

 

 

[Tokugawa]

On 6/5/2024 at 3:18 AM, Indy Techwisp said:

 

IDK, while Chaos Cult would really like to be able to steal a bunch of Guard stuff, Chaos Cult is still a CSM list and thus GW would need to spend the extra 3.5 picograms of brain energy to figure out if Guard plus Cultists plus full-blown Marines would break anything.

And access to CK. And daemons.

 

A 2000pts "CSM" list with 1900pts stuff which is not CSM. Not interesting.

[Lord_Ikka]

11 hours ago, Rogue said:

I wonder why we can't have both - a specific Brood Brothers detachment with a 50% limit and BB-specific bonuses, and a standard 25% BB option (with no synergy) in the other detachments.

Balance- trying to do an internal balance/points cost for IG alone, much less how those units then balance with GSC, is going to be too difficult for GW (ie- they don't have enough rules designers/playtester crews to work out the possible broken issues). So putting Guard into just one GSC detachment means that they can then just deal with that specific detachment via FAQ if there are any issues, rather than having to worry about 5 detachments. 

[Brother Nathan]

Im guessing gsc is near enough imminent... sisters around end of month... when do we think the next event is that they may show off the new mystery army/the next stage of the roadmap?

[ThePenitentOne]

Both Sisters and GSC Preorder tomorrow.

 

Is there even anything else on the roadmap before we get to the mystery dex?

[Emperor Ming]

5 minutes ago, ThePenitentOne said:

mystery dex?

I thought it wasn't much of a mystery anymore

[Brother Nathan]

On 6/7/2024 at 9:08 PM, Emperor Ming said:

I thought it wasn't much of a mystery anymore

Til we see em rumours are rumours. I think its emperors children but could be a dark mech army or a random return to something really old or unexpected... no?

[Garrac]

58 minutes ago, Brother Nathan said:

Til we see em rumours are rumours. I think its emperors children but could be a dark mech army or a random return to something really old or unexpected... no?

We already had Agents of Imperium pages leaked. Its gonna be them.

 

Brood Brothers seems legit, btw. Alltho, with each release I keep getting the feeling that there are 3 codex writers, and you can tell who are the "writes funny codexes", "writes average codexes", and "writes :cuss:" guys. Seems like this time the first wrote Sisters, and the "writes average codexes" intern wrote GSC.

[Brother Nathan]

On 6/9/2024 at 10:20 AM, Garrac said:

We already had Agents of Imperium pages leaked. Its gonna be them.

 

 

did we as ive completely missed this? linky?

[ZeroWolf]

9 hours ago, Brother Nathan said:

did we as ive completely missed this? linky?

 

Here you go 

 

 

Though the image themselves seems to have broken, likely deleted. On saying that I do recall talk of the printers themselves asking people to take the images down. This was about the same time that AoS 4th rulebook was leaked, from the same place.