Celestian Sacresant Aveline: Model & Novel (Daemonbreaker)

[Matcap86]

1 hour ago, Orange Knight said:

 

It is a fair point. I'm puzzled as to why these human women look more masculine and exaggerated than the Adeptus Astartes. 

 

Helmet firmly on

 

Think that might (partly) be due to the eavy metal paint scheme. Precise, hard edge highlighting on everything creates more masculine features. 

[Casual Heresy]

I love the model so I will probably get two, one to build and paint as intended and another for kitbashing into a unique Bloody Rose Canoness as that's the order I will paint a full army of.

 

The novel looks good and I will be getting it, but disappointed it dosen't appear to be part of same series 'Pilgrims of Fire' and 'Rose in Darkness' were starting. Hopefully it means that Sacred Rose get another novel in that series rather than the whole things being canned, but we all know what hope is the first step towards...

[Norman Paperman]

Outstanding model, Sisters is so easy to get excited about the painting. One day…

[Captain Idaho]

4 hours ago, Matcap86 said:

 

Think that might (partly) be due to the eavy metal paint scheme. Precise, hard edge highlighting on everything creates more masculine features. 

 

I didn't realise that, thanks! I'm going to try and add that knowledge to painting my models now, as sometimes I'm trying to emphasise it or not.

Edited June 4 by Captain Idaho

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

I love the shield. In the other hand, the blade with that flaming fleur-de-lis...hummm I don't see it.

Nice miniature, anyway 

[Cenobite Terminator]

Very nice sculpt… almost makes me want to play Sisters.

[foxlight713]

I'll be looking to pick this one up because it's a great stand in model and ripe for conversions. Plus the rose icon is a key park of my custom order's logo so that just works in my favor. Looking forward to see how this model will look with gray armor and green robes or my Order of the Argent Rose.

[Tokugawa]

There are 3 possibly choices for rules of a limited character model: 

 

1. Normal 40K rules. Usually not too powerful, it's ok.

2. No specific rules and you can use it as an standard officer. It is flexible,  but when the model/base size has huge difference, may cause some problems in gaming.

3. Sent to legend. It's by far the worst choice.

[TrawlingCleaner]

7 hours ago, Tokugawa said:

There are 3 possibly choices for rules of a limited character model: 

 

1. Normal 40K rules. Usually not too powerful, it's ok.

2. No specific rules and you can use it as an standard officer. It is flexible,  but when the model/base size has huge difference, may cause some problems in gaming.

3. Sent to legend. It's by far the worst choice.

 

From the Sunday Preview video, she's not listed as a unit in the codex. I'm assuming her rules will be Legends like Ufthak and Grombrindal most recently

[Marshal Reinhard]

I can live with just having her as some special cool canoness or something anyway.

Edited June 5 by Marshal Reinhard

[Emperor Ming]

Like anyone will use her as a celestian

[grailkeeper]

On 6/3/2024 at 10:14 PM, Lord Marshal said:

I don't believe Chaos has ever received a BL-adjacent miniature have they?

 

First Claw are an obvious pick for a squad-sized box, particularly since deaths didn't stop the afore mentioned Gaunt's Ghosts box happening.

 

Then there's all the names from the Black Legion series, as well as Honsou to 'round out' Uriel Ventris. 

 

 

 

Theres plenty of 30k chaos characters that got models but I don't think that counts.

 

Outside of First Claw and Honsou are there any chaos characters who have more than one book and didn't start as named characters?

[phandaal]

12 minutes ago, grailkeeper said:

 

Theres plenty of 30k chaos characters that got models but I don't think that counts.

 

Outside of First Claw and Honsou are there any chaos characters who have more than one book and didn't start as named characters?

 

First Acolyte Marduk would be a great choice. What has he been up to since his battle with the White Consuls?

[DemonGSides]

If they made some Lords of Silence characters I wouldn't be mad. 

[Applejack1989]

I think she will get rules. She can't be used as a cool stand in for a Celestian Sacresant, as sword and shield is not an option in the unit (and her base would be absurd). She can't be a cool stand in for a Canoness, as sword and shield is not an option that a Canoness can take. Meanwhile, she is being given a moniker and a weapon wielded by a saint. I would be flabbergasted if she does get rules for use in 10th edition 40k. Will those rules be Legends or not? I'd put that at 50/50. I'd prefer normal rules for her (wouldn't be the first model or unit that a faction receives after their codex drop), but I wouldn't mind Legends. We play with Legends at my FLGS.

[Petitioner's City]

I must admit I'm ambivalent about this model - its heroic pose, it's propagandistic nature - that makes me worry about the ease with which the Imperium can be read as straightly heroic, despite being theocratic and facist/totalitarian uber-dystopia. I feel that's something that occurs so often, and I worry how that gets read by less critical audiences.

 

There are elements which are (hopefully deliberately) disconcerting - the cherubs should be deeply worrying, they are mutilated and brutalized children essentially (even if vat grown), but the Blanchian subtext of horror there is nearly obliterated by how darn heroic the model is. 

 

I just wish it was more critical, more artistic rather than stereotypical, more obviously disconcerting. 

[Tokugawa]

14 minutes ago, Petitioner's City said:

I must admit I'm ambivalent about this model - its heroic pose, it's propagandistic nature - that makes me worry about the ease with which the Imperium can be read as straightly heroic, despite being theocratic and facist/totalitarian uber-dystopia. I feel that's something that occurs so often, and I worry how that gets read by less critical audiences.

 

There are elements which are (hopefully deliberately) disconcerting - the cherubs should be deeply worrying, they are mutilated and brutalized children essentially (even if vat grown), but the Blanchian subtext of horror there is nearly obliterated by how darn heroic the model is. 

 

I just wish it was more critical, more artistic rather than stereotypical, more obviously disconcerting. 

Are you seeking peace and love in 40K?

[Orange Knight]

I think she will get rules. Other black library tie-ins have received rules and are now a full part of their respective codex books.

 

She's looks far too unique.

[DemonGSides]

3 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

I think she will get rules. Other black library tie-ins have received rules and are now a full part of their respective codex books.

 

She's looks far too unique.

 

We've gone over it in thread, but there's no consistency. Valerian and Aleya, bespoke rules. Minka? Not even a Legends datasheet. Captain Messinius, just to be used as a normal captain. Ephraim and co? Bespoke.

 

It's really up in the air. 

[Nova-V]

5 hours ago, Applejack1989 said:

I think she will get rules. She can't be used as a cool stand in for a Celestian Sacresant, as sword and shield is not an option in the unit (and her base would be absurd). She can't be a cool stand in for a Canoness, as sword and shield is not an option that a Canoness can take.

To be fair shield isn't an option for Sacresants either.  Their war gear is simply Bolt Pistol and Hallowed Mace (which is swappable for Halberd).  Bolt Pistol and Blessed Blade is valid for a Cannonsess so she is closer to a Cannoness than a Sacresant.

[Emperor Ming]

3 hours ago, Tokugawa said:

Are you seeking peace and love in 40K?

Love for the Emperor of course

[Petitioner's City]

7 hours ago, Tokugawa said:

Are you seeking peace and love in 40K?

 

I mean it should be more clearly horrifying - ie truly blanchian - but it does so much to erode the true sense of horror a theocratic battle sister actually represents, being so propagandistically/book cover heroic. 

[phandaal]

27 minutes ago, Petitioner's City said:

 

I mean it should be more clearly horrifying - ie truly blanchian - but it does so much to erode the true sense of horror a theocratic battle sister actually represents, being so propagandistically/book cover heroic. 

 

Little Timmy is not going to see this and think it is finally time to get that fleur-de-lis/iron cross combo tattoo.

 

8 hours ago, Petitioner's City said:

I worry how that gets read by less critical audiences.

 

Believe me, no one on Earth ever has been or ever will be converted to fascism because of a cool Sisters of Battle model.

[danodan123]

40 minutes ago, phandaal said:

 

Believe me, no one on Earth ever has been or ever will be converted to fascism because of a cool Sisters of Battle model.

 

Never say never, stranger things have happened !

[Indy Techwisp]

On 6/5/2024 at 3:56 PM, grailkeeper said:

 

Theres plenty of 30k chaos characters that got models but I don't think that counts.

 

Outside of First Claw and Honsou are there any chaos characters who have more than one book and didn't start as named characters?

 

I think I mentioned Iskandar Khayon earlier on in this thread.

Other than him tho, I don't think there's really any other Chaos main characters who are still around in 40k times.