necromunda Malstrain Coalescence- Sculptor Stephen May

[DemonGSides]

Why didn't the mods posts who were talking about this stuff get pushed over with the rest of the posts? It leaves if very disjointed.

Edited June 19 by DemonGSides

[Marshal Rohr]

Going through his Instagram thread it looks like people are turning against his shade throwing

[Kastor Krieg]

TBH even if, especially if, those supposed quotes from the "source" are true, the Forgeworld studio itself seems chock full of  who are hard to work with.

From the rug sweeping "oh we have to support each other!" to "you were always half-assing your work to get paid more for doing more jobs" - YIKES.

Edited June 20 by Captain Idaho
Family friendly please

[Marshal Rohr]

Odd Louise would specifically say Specialist Games was different than the rest of GW when talking about how wonderful the people there were!

 

hes deleted all the shade posts

Edited June 19 by Marshal Rohr

[Petitioner's City]

And his positive post too :(

[Noserenda]

Im not sure what people expected when they demanded he not give his opinions if they didnt like them, im hoping we havent lost a rare glance behind the scenes because people didnt like his "tone" of all the stupid things.

[Marshal Rohr]

Seems people didn’t like him lying about what actually happened at Specialist Games!

[DemonGSides]

1 hour ago, Noserenda said:

Im not sure what people expected when they demanded he not give his opinions if they didnt like them, im hoping we havent lost a rare glance behind the scenes because people didnt like his "tone" of all the stupid things.

 

Definitely one read of the situation.  Or is it: he's full of sour grapes and lied a bunch to make himself look good to hawk his personal wares.

 

Get that bag, bro, but maybe do it without the fallout. 

[Redcomet]

Throwing shade is almost never a good look. Be the better person and take the high road 

[Antarius]

22 hours ago, Kastor Krieg said:

TBH even if, especially if, those supposed quotes from the "source" are true, the Forgeworld studio itself seems chock full of  who are hard to work with.

From the rug sweeping "oh we have to support each other!" to "you were always half-assing your work to get paid more for doing more jobs" - YIKES.

I have no way of knowing what was going on in the studio, but you do realise the two statements you are referring to aren’t from the same people, right? It doesn’t really seem fair to level that accusation at Sally from Hasslefree (as far as I understand who’s posting the first statement you refer to).

Edited June 20 by Antarius

[Vazzy]

On 6/19/2024 at 1:37 PM, Marshal Rohr said:

Sounds like specialist games wasn’t “hemorrhaging talent” as some have suggested. Sound a lot like someone had a problem putting on his big boy pants and just doing his job. 

I mean it kind of sounds like you have a bone to pick with May and are assuming what an anonymous source is saying is accurate lol. 
 

Also it’s amusing to see Hasslefree weighing in on stuff when their CS is terrible. Nice to see they can argue on social media but can’t reply to my emails asking how I can get a replacement for a missing model from multiple months ago. 

[Marshal Rohr]

2 hours ago, Vazzy said:

I mean it kind of sounds like you have a bone to pick with May and are assuming what an anonymous source is saying is accurate lol. 
 

Also it’s amusing to see Hasslefree weighing in on stuff when their CS is terrible. Nice to see they can argue on social media but can’t reply to my emails asking how I can get a replacement for a missing model from multiple months ago. 

I literally learned about this yesterday, so no, not really. However, I have a bone to pick with internet dipsticks who find every reason to crap on the Horus Heresy because lascannons are too strong this edition encrapifying every single space for my hobby with their bitter opinions and toxicity so if May if going to become some martyr on the hill to the “Horus Heresy sucks and Specialist Games shouldn’t exist” crowd I don’t particularly care for him. 

Edited June 20 by Marshal Rohr

[Noserenda]

Yeah id always prefer a more accurate look at whats going on, if people are unhappy id rather know about it, if things are going well id rather know about it too. Expecting people to sanitise in either direction is kinda toxic to me personally, imagine being so tied to a corporation (of all things) that you'd get a temporary ban from somewhere because other posters agreed with you, but with insufficient zeal for your liking  :D 

[Marshal Rohr]

No one is banned, he just deleted his posts. 

Edited June 21 by Marshal Rohr

[sarabando]

[Petitioner's City]

I think again I feel this is an unbalanced reaction; he was called out by fellow sculptors among others. I just wish he could have accept that some of the criticism wasnt 'vitriol', that people made fair comments. Yes somethings were not fair, but it's important to be able to accept criticism too for public statements - statements in which he was often rather critical himself?

 

However, something that came up on Reddit - his kickstarters have had issues? Is this true?

 

Edit: by god, the people on that reddit thread are really cruel :( I get why Steve deleted his things if this was what he was getting :(  

 

Also he shared this:

 

 

However someone also said, 'just follow Trish's model', and they are right, Trish Carden was unfairly abandoned by GW - this seems to be common knowledge - but she continues to post wonderful explanations of her GW career and projects, despite that sad conclusion. 

 

I am in a muddle about this.

Edited June 21 by Petitioner's City

[sarabando]

14 minutes ago, Petitioner's City said:

I think again I feel this is an unbalanced reaction; he was called out by fellow sculptors among others. I just wish he could have accept that some of the criticism wasnt 'vitriol', that people made fair comments. Yes somethings were not fair, but it's important to be able to accept criticism too for public statements - statements in which he was often rather critical himself?

 

However, something that came up on Reddit - his kickstarters have had issues? Is this true?

 

Edit: by god, the people on that reddit thread are really cruel :( I get why Steve deleted his things if this was what he was getting :(  

 

Also he shared this:

 

 

However someone also said, 'just follow Trish's model', and they are right, Trish Carden was unfairly abandoned by GW - this seems to be common knowledge - but she continues to post wonderful explanations of her GW career and projects, despite that sad conclusion. 

 

I am in a muddle about this.

its reddit its the most foul dark souled people on the net who think they are the most virtuous.

[Petitioner's City]

11 minutes ago, sarabando said:

its reddit its the most foul dark souled people on the net who think they are the most virtuous.

 

As a redditor, too, I'm not sure id agree. It's just a digital mirror to real society, with all the flavours - positive and negative - of people represented therein.

 

I am reminded of this scene in the wonderful Wolf Hall, from episode one:

 

 

"It's just people" - that's reddit, and the Internet, for good and for bad.

Edited June 21 by Petitioner's City

[Marshal Rohr]

I believe Trish’s ousting was the work of one of the mysterious as of now unnamed figures mentioned by Duncan, Peachy, and Louise. That was the vibe in that interview. 

Edited June 21 by Marshal Rohr

[Petitioner's City]

I do wonder if it ever related to a protected characteristic (age, sex, etc) - but then I would have assumed that wouldn't have been possible. Maybe it was a severance offer with a difficult undertone (best possible offer)? 

 

Trish is brilliant, and I hate the idea that she was ousted - even if we benefit in things like Talking Miniatures, her blog or video interviews 

[Warden-Paints]

A lot of this stuff just sounds like typical office drama. I don't get why it always has to equal Games Workshop being a toxic hellhole. I cringe a bit when Peachy and others go on and on about management problems as if many companies don't have the same issues. 

 

Also though, I absolutely live for this kind of gossip so keep it coming, I lap it up. 

[Antarius]

Well, social media is a cruel mistress, that's just a sad fact of life in this modern world.
Part of it is just human nature; people will go off at other people over things that are completely fair, as well as completely unfair and it's often hard for onlookers to tell the difference. But social media just amplifies both the tendency to go after each other as well as the amount of people going off of at one person by an order of magnitude. Sometimes, this may be justified, if that person has done something truly despicable. Oftentimes however, it just serves to absolutely dogpile someone who might (or indeed, might not!) have been a bit of an idiot, but who really doesn't deserve the absolute barrage of vitriol that a horde of social media users can bring to bear.

So, while my personal take is that Steve could probably have handled things better in public, I think this development is very, very sad and definitely not something he deserves, even assuming all the negative claims about him as a coworker were true (and remember, I really have no way of knowing whether they are).
 

Edited June 22 by Antarius

[Antarius]

8 minutes ago, Warden-Paints said:

A lot of this stuff just sounds like typical office drama. I don't get why it always has to equal Games Workshop being a toxic hellhole. I cringe a bit when Peachy and others go on and on about management problems as if many companies don't have the same issues. 

 

Also though, I absolutely live for this kind of gossip so keep it coming, I lap it up. 

Yeah, I can absolutely believe that there are problems, both interpersonal ones, management ones and workspace ones, but I also tend to think that people who talk of it as something extraordinary and specific to GW have led somewhat sheltered existences. This happens in far too many workplaces and most times people just have to suck it up.

Which is not to minimise these kinds of problems! For example, in Steve's post where he says he was getting ill from working there that absolutely sounds like "bog standard" work-related stress - but, speaking as someone who's been off work for over 6 months with stress, he absolutely did the right thing getting out of there!

[SkimaskMohawk]

15 hours ago, Petitioner's City said:

I think again I feel this is an unbalanced reaction; he was called out by fellow sculptors among others. I just wish he could have accept that some of the criticism wasnt 'vitriol', that people made fair comments. Yes somethings were not fair, but it's important to be able to accept criticism too for public statements - statements in which he was often rather critical himself?

 

Ya he definitely couldn't take the pile-on, but the internet is definitely bandwagony and his claims were obviously contentious, so it kinda got very polarized very fast. But that's part of posting critical statements on the internet about people's art lol. I said it in the other thread, if you're going to post pictures, you gotta be prepared for criticism; and if you're going to post criticism, you have to be prepared for backlash. My guy posted a lot of criticism, and went pretty far into the the deep end of it, basically commenting on skill and how other people made things worse than how it was lol. The result is kinda very to be expected, but I'm also sure the DMs he got were pretty screwed up on top of the public bickering.

 

15 hours ago, Petitioner's City said:

I am in a muddle about this

 

On 6/20/2024 at 5:51 PM, Marshal Rohr said:

However, I have a bone to pick with internet dipsticks who find every reason to crap on the Horus Heresy because lascannons are too strong this edition encrapifying every single space for my hobby with their bitter opinions and toxicity so if May if going to become some martyr on the hill to the “Horus Heresy sucks and Specialist Games shouldn’t exist” crowd I don’t particularly care for him. 

 

You both tend to incorporate the designers into your enjoyment of the hobby (to differing degrees). You do what brings enjoyment, but sometimes it's fine not to be too invested too; you can read the unfolding drama and not feel the need to back a side or care about who's the most in the right. Just grab the popcorn like the Michael Jackson gif, enjoy the insider knowledge and bickering, and then just move on. Like, I saw rhor quote my haemorrhaging talent phrase on the other page, but mistook it to be about the specialist game studio because his enjoyment of the devs work (both game design and army collection) is so core to his own hobby. 

 

 

[phandaal]

4 hours ago, Warden-Paints said:

A lot of this stuff just sounds like typical office drama. I don't get why it always has to equal Games Workshop being a toxic hellhole. I cringe a bit when Peachy and others go on and on about management problems as if many companies don't have the same issues. 

 

Also though, I absolutely live for this kind of gossip so keep it coming, I lap it up. 

 

Yeah. Any disappointment of my own aside, the way people talk about GW when they leave just sounds like any other company I have ever worked with. Actually, some of what I have heard people say in a professional environment about other companies they have worked for or with is way worse than what people like Peachy say about GW.

 

Sometimes companies really are toxic hellholes, but also a lot of the time people just are not a good fit where they are and it is better for them when they find something else to do.

 

Reminds me of the whole drama with Mick Gordon quitting doing the soundtracks for Doom. He says the company was toxic, they say he was late and difficult to work with. Both are probably right from their own point of view (those original soundtracks are bangers though).