Karhedron Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 So I have got my Pariah Nexus cards and a shiny buff to the Champions of Russ. I will be taking them out for a try out tonight in a 1500 point battle against Heretic Astartes (no idea what flavour). Champions of Russ 95 Judiciar with Black Death 180 Bladeguard Veterans x 6 240 Land Raider 130 Predator Annihilator 220 Land Raider Crusader 140 Blood Claws x 10 30 WG PL Power fist and Combi weapon 90 Ragnar 80 Intercessors x 5 Thunder Hammer and AGL 100 Heavy Intercessors x 5 90 Wulfen, 4 x WH/SS 100 Infiltrators x 5 with Helix Gauntlet 1495 Total OK so the plan is pretty simple. The 2 Land Raiders roll forward and their melee squads jump out to charge targets of opportunity. The Heavy Intercessors babysit my home Objective. The Infiltrators are there to screen my midfield and tag Objectives. The Intercessors will probably start off in the Land Raider with the Bladeguard for cover and jump out later to try and sticky Objectives. The Wulfen will probably start in Tactical Reserve and come on from a table edge during play to threaten something. I am trying to decide what Saga to start with active. I am leaning towards Saga of the Bear as this one is quite hard to activate during the game and an army-wide 6+++ is never going to not come in useful. The Judiciar with Black Death has a decent shot of activating Saga of the Beast Hunter as he gets Dev Wounds on Monsters or Vehicles on a 4+. Warrior Born could be harder to activate although the Judiciar does have Precision so is in with a chance. The Blood Claws and Ragnar really want to be charging every turn so I would really like to upgrade the Wolf Guard Pack Leader to a Lt. This would give the Blood Claws Lethal Hits as well as Fall Back and Charge, both of which are bonuses they really like. I just need to find another 30 points and I am not sure where to get them. I could downgrade the Infiltrators to Scouts and they would do a similar job. Alternatively I could proxy the Blood Claws as Assault Intercessors. Their wound rerolls are always active and don't depend on getting the charge. TheNicronomicon, Apokalypsi, TiguriusX and 2 others 4 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apokalypsi Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 You could always drop the Crusader for a Rhino. That'll free up 145 points. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6047352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I'm gearing up for some CoR testing as well. Actually excited about something I felt bleh about for a long time. Killing characters with Ragnar can be easy. Just need to epic challenge after you charge in. Precision attacks only require LOS...don't have to be basing the character model you want to kill If you want to maximize the black death keep the judiciar with assault intercessors so you can reroll wounds and fish for those 4+ dev wounds Wolf Guard Dan and Karhedron 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6047380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 This list could use an iron priest. 3 big tanks could benefit from 1 or 2. +1 to hit would be beneficial for the land raider that isn’t shooting at the oath target. TiguriusX and Karhedron 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6047392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCE1981 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Don’t forget that Repulsor pts went down and its transport capacity went up to 14. TheNicronomicon and Karhedron 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6047448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted June 26 Author Share Posted June 26 9 hours ago, CCE1981 said: Don’t forget that Repulsor pts went down and its transport capacity went up to 14. I really like the Repulsor but I think it works better for shooty squads. I love my Land Raiders for melee squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6047482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted June 26 Author Share Posted June 26 16 hours ago, Wolf Guard Dan said: This list could use an iron priest. 3 big tanks could benefit from 1 or 2. +1 to hit would be beneficial for the land raider that isn’t shooting at the oath target. That is a good point, I think an earlier draft did have an IP. The question is, what do I drop to squeeze him in? If I dropped the Wulfen, that would lose me a cheap beatstick but provide enough points for an IP and also to upgrade the WGPL to a LT. That is not a bad idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6047483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted June 26 Author Share Posted June 26 Champions of Russ 60 Iron Priest 95 Judiciar with Black Death 180 Bladeguard Veterans x 6 240 Land Raider 130 Predator Annihilator 220 Land Raider Crusader 140 Blood Claws x 10 65 Lieutenant with Power Fist and Master Crafted bolter 90 Ragnar 80 Intercessors x 5 Thunder Hammer and AGL 100 Heavy Intercessors x 5 100 Infiltrators x 5 with Helix Gauntlet 1500 Total OK so here is the revised list. I think that the Lt adds a lot of the Blood Claw squad and is probably worth the loss of the Wulfen. As it turned out, my opponent was sick yesterday so I ended up playing someone else with my Eldar but a good time was had. TheNicronomicon 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6047497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 Just got back from the game and the CoR list above performed well. I was fighting against CSM and my opponent conceded after T3. His rough list was as below. Abby with 5 Chosen Master of Possession with 10 Posessed Predator Annihilator Forge Fiend Venom Crawler Sorcerer in Terminator armour with 5 Terminators 10 Cultists He did his best but didn't have enough dedicated anti-tank to tackle 2 Land Raiders (although Abaddon made a serious dent in one in melee). I popped smoke on T1 to survive his opening salvo and then took out his Predator. He made some good moves including teleporting his Terminators behind my lines and making a 9" charge. Abaddon and the possessed made short work of the BGVs. But with my tanks mostly intact and hard to tackle, I could move where I wanted and use my firepower to soften up targets or charge them as I needed. Overall I am still ambivalent about CoR. I started with Saga of the Bear active but the army-wide 6+++ was not as effective as I hoped. I did manage to trigger Warrior Born when my Lt killed the Sorcerer but by then the game was in the bag. CoR is better than it was but is ultimately still a "win more" mechanic. jaxom, TiguriusX, Apokalypsi and 1 other 2 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6048371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apokalypsi Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 How did the Blood Claws perform? I'm torn between them and Assault Intercessors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6048468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted July 3 Author Share Posted July 3 20 minutes ago, Apokalypsi said: How did the Blood Claws perform? I'm torn between them and Assault Intercessors. I found they did very well. I like that their bonuses apply whenever they charge. AIs are better when targeting units on an Objective. However I did build them accordingly. I had a 10-man squad with Ragnar and also the Lt to ensure that I could fall back and Charge to keep my bonuses active. Off the charge, they are definitely worse than AIs. I like using big melee bricks so this suits my style of play. But a lot of competitive players are having success with 5-man AIs, usually led by a suitably punch character like Ragnar, a tooled-up Captain or even a Judiciar. MSU is a different but very valid style of play. I am happy to run Blood Claws as I have plenty painted. Whether we will still have access to them in 11th edition remains to be seen. If I were starting from scratch, I would be thinking more about AIs. TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6048477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted July 4 Author Share Posted July 4 One unit that performed well was the Predator Annihilator. At 30 points cheaper than a Lancer, it performs the anti-tank role well and has 3 strong shots rather than 2 (as well as the one-off Hunter KiIller Missile). It contributed to the destruction of the opposing Annihilator and both Daemon engines. The only place it struggles slightly is against T12+ targets where the Lancer has a clear edge. TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6048600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 My invitational list is due in a few days. I have near zero odds of winning event with sister meta so I'm going for spoiler to hunt anti sister meta (BA etc.) I have my core SW list but am not sure what detachment. I can run CoR and yolo or gladius or vanguard with more survival tricks The survivial tricks replace LRR + impulsor with 2x repulsors Anyone else have battle experience to share about CoR before I make final decision? jpwyrm 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6048789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpwyrm Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 I'm playing Sunday night against Sisters. I can come back and give you some Intel if you like. TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6048811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just had a scrimmage against sisters and won a blood bath in mid field CoR can spike real high with the sustained and lethals Running 10 man bricks of AI and WG as well as 6 man brick of BGV Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6048873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Which sisters detachment did he run? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6048970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 (edited) 10 hours ago, Rune Priest Jbickb said: Which sisters detachment did he run? BoF I think its called. The salamander one. He had 1st turn and used scout + advance and hop out strat to put stuff in my face. Then celestine and seraphym advance and fly...the detachment is nuts I just finished another scrimmage against meta BA and it was another mosh pit in the middle but I won 59-41. Basically tabled him turn 4. The VV with 4++ and 5+ FNP from a priest take forever to kill. I really underestimated their survivability. I set up a Murderfang pinball where I had 3 units to kill but I never finished off the damn VV to consolidate 6" to the next unit. Here is my list. It is officially submitted. I am expecting to face a BA and went with a counter melee plan I basically start with Warrior Saga every game and conserve my CP as much as possible My Champions of Russ!!! Spoiler +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + FACTION KEYWORD: Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves + DETACHMENT: Champions of Russ + TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 2000pts + + WARLORD: Char2: Judiciar + ENHANCEMENT: Black Death (on Char1: Captain) & The Pelt of Balewolf (on Char2: Judiciar) + NUMBER OF UNITS: 15 + SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (2x2) + (2x4) - Assassination: 7 Characters +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Char1: 1x Captain (105 pts): Power Fist, Plasma Pistol Enhancement: Black Death (+25 pts) Char2: 1x Judiciar (80 pts): Warlord, Absolver Bolt Pistol, Executioner Relic Blade Enhancement: The Pelt of Balewolf (+10 pts) Char3: 1x Bjorn the Fell-Handed (180 pts): Heavy Flamer, Trueclaw, Helfrost cannon Char4: 1x Logan Grimnar (100 pts): Storm Bolter, The Axe Morkai Char5: 1x Murderfang (170 pts): Heavy Flamer, Storm bolter, The Murderclaws Char6: 1x Ragnar Blackmane (90 pts): Bolt Pistol, Frostfang Char7: 1x Ulric the Slayer (70 pts): Artificer crozius, Plasma pistol 10x Assault Intercessor Squad (150 pts) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist • 9x Assault Intercessors: 9 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75 pts) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant: Heavy Bolt Pistol, Power Fist • 4x Assault Intercessors: 4 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 5x Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (80 pts) • 4x Assault Intercessors with Jump Pack 3 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 1 with Astartes Chainsword, Plasma Pistol • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist 6x Bladeguard Veteran Squad (180 pts) • 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant: Master-crafted Power Weapon, Heavy Bolt Pistol • 5x Bladeguard Veterans: 5 with Heavy Bolt Pistol, Master-crafted Power Weapon 5x Scout Squad (65 pts) • 2x Scout 1 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Missile Launcher 1 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Scout Sniper Rifle • 1x Scout Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Astartes Chainsword • 2x Scouts: 2 with Astartes Shotgun, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon 10x Wolf Guard (190 pts): 10 with Storm shield, Heirloom weapon 1x Land Raider Redeemer (285 pts): Armoured Tracks, 2x Flamestorm Cannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Multi-melta, Storm Bolter, Twin Assault Cannon 1x Repulsor (180 pts): Armoured Hull, Hunter-slayer Missile, Repulsor Defensive Array, Twin Lascannon, Las-talon *Removed plasma pistol from small AI...the captain will ALWAYS fire his on hazardous and hope for a 1 to achieve Bear Saga Edited July 7 by TiguriusX Apokalypsi, svane jotunsbane, Rune Priest Jbickb and 1 other 3 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6048997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apokalypsi Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Who are you putting with the BGV? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6049093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 I was hoping to draw a Group stage with BA or some other anti sister faction. I was instead placed in a 2xSisters group stage LOL This may not end well Ragnar and the BGV go together. I used to run Ragnar with AI but it was always 1 usage then Ragnar dies BGV let me use reroll 1s to hit for Ragnar and save oath elsewhere...and they are tanky enough that it requires a strong commitment from my opponent to kill Ragnar. That is good for me because either 1) Ragnar and BGV survive and I get another turn of his advance + charge rampage or 2) Whatever he used to kill Ragnar is now vulnerable to my counter attack Ragnar + Captain Black Death ride in the same transport...so Captain Black Death is always nearby the next turn for an advance + charge counter attack jpwyrm and Apokalypsi 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6049124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 On 7/5/2024 at 1:39 PM, jpwyrm said: I'm playing Sunday night against Sisters. I can come back and give you some Intel if you like. how did your game go? jpwyrm 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6049182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpwyrm Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 16 hours ago, TiguriusX said: how did your game go? Could not play unfortunately. IRL issue came up and I was forced to cancel. I hope I can reschedule soon, my regular opponent and I are both itching for a game, but summer time is a real headache to fit games of 40K! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6049259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Love the list Karhedron, nice blend of old and new Wolves! I've gotten a few games in so far with CoR and having a blast. I played an RTT last weekend and went 1-2, I got beat pretty hard by Black Templars and Imperial Knights, beat Necrons. In pick up games at the shop I've been able to beat Tau and Eldar (actually beat the guy who went 3-0 at the same rtt with the lists we took). Judiciar w/Black Death and Assault Intercessors slaps, I did 16 mortal wounds to an Avatar Still tinkering on lists design and what characters to take. This still seems like the most important piece of the puzzle when building. Yeah, scouts, battleine etc are important but for us it really matters what characters you take in what combination of units and how you wield them. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6049856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted July 12 Author Share Posted July 12 Out of interest, what are people taking as their starting Saga? I started off with Bear as it is quite hard to trigger and I thought a 6+++ would always come in handy. But in practice it felt underwhelming and I think Warrior Born would have added some valuable heft to my opening charges. On the other hand, I was playing Imperial Knights earlier in the week and the 6+++ came in handier than I expected. Should I give the Bear a few more games testing before I abandon it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6049864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Clausel Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 I have some experience with black templar vows which is largely the same. The fnp is powerful. It does help some against dmg 2 vs 2 wounded stuff and such. And it works for every model in your army. So tanks become tankier and such. However i have had some succes with sustained hits. Lethal hits i have largely ignored as you can get that from lieutenants where you want it. But sustained and lethal is always good together! Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6049904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenIronhand Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 I think with COR, for me, I simply don't have enough melee units to really get the best out of the detachment. I have plenty of the 'standard' Marine stuff in my collection, but I steered clear of BGV and I can't really justify TWC in my successor's lore. The most melee that is consistently in my list is 10x Assault Intercessors, either split into MSU or taken as a full squad. At current, Firestorm or Vanguard look like the best bets for more all-rounder Wolves lists, at least to my eyes. That said, I think the buffs look good. But, they definitely require you to skew towards melee, either in the form of transport-borne or jump pack T4-T5 guys, Thunderwolves, or Dreadnoughts. The delivery of the first is definitely helped by Relentless Assault, though. Problem remains getting there and surviving the shooting on the way in. I like to trade at all ranges, myself. Hopefully, once our codex comes around, we get a Grey Hunters update or upgrade sprue that will allow us to mix bolt rifles with chainswords. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383184-taking-champions-of-russ-out-for-a-spin/#findComment-6049912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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