New BA rumour (Valrak).

[Xenith]

23 hours ago, Brother Raul said:

-New Sanguinary guard.

 

Apparently packs of 3 (inner circle DA got the same and would explain the huge points decrease recently-squads of 3-6 only).

 

22 hours ago, Jolemai said:

 

Don't have much more to add! BA are traditionally in the XMas slot, so dates are unsurprising. I would expect the unit of 3 to be more like "Sanguine Crusaders" or some new unit tht we have to buy. I'd also be surprised if there wasn't a low hanging fruit terminator upgrade sprue. 

[BitsHammer]

Wouldn't shock me if we got a dedicated Death Company unit locked to three/six model units when they go to Primaris since GW seems to want to keep strong melee units in small numbers.

[darkhorse0607]

The reduction from 5->3 of the Sanguinary Guard I can live with as long as the models look good. The loss of the wings really frustrates me though. A unit that has had wings since it was founded in the Great Crusade and is part of their character, is featured in all the art, is mentioned almost every time an author writes about them, etc,  losing them because everything needs to be sleeker just bums me out a bit. I have a box of the "old" ones now that I can raid for bits and wings but still

 

The other thing I didn't see mentioned in OPs post that Valrak has also talked about (both last night during the stream and other times) is the rumored way that the Death Company will be now. He said that he believes (based off of what has been told to him), the new Death Company will just be an Assault or Jump (I forget which) Intercessor box with a Blood Angels upgrade sprue thrown in. Granted it's a step up I'd assume from the current Primaris box, but still a reduction in the amount of flavor that the older kit had

 

I'm trying not to get too bummed now because I don't want to skew my impression of the models when they finally get revealed, I just had kind of hoped for more of a refresh like the Templars got with their specialist kits rather than one like the Dark Angels got

[BitsHammer]

5 minutes ago, darkhorse0607 said:

The reduction from 5->3 of the Sanguinary Guard I can live with as long as the models look good. The loss of the wings really frustrates me though. A unit that has had wings since it was founded in the Great Crusade and is part of their character, is featured in all the art, is mentioned almost every time an author writes about them, etc,  losing them because everything needs to be sleeker just bums me out a bit. I have a box of the "old" ones now that I can raid for bits and wings but still

 

The other thing I didn't see mentioned in OPs post that Valrak has also talked about (both last night during the stream and other times) is the rumored way that the Death Company will be now. He said that he believes (based off of what has been told to him), the new Death Company will just be an Assault or Jump (I forget which) Intercessor box with a Blood Angels upgrade sprue thrown in. Granted it's a step up I'd assume from the current Primaris box, but still a reduction in the amount of flavor that the older kit had

 

I'm trying not to get too bummed now because I don't want to skew my impression of the models when they finally get revealed, I just had kind of hoped for more of a refresh like the Templars got with their specialist kits rather than one like the Dark Angels got

Honestly if it is the current Jump Intercessors kit with the same wargear options (up to two plasma pistols and a power fist for five) I could live with that. It wouldn't be as strong as the modern options but at least points should be more reasonable.

[darkhorse0607]

Fair enough, I can't really say anything about that. I don't play just paint and read the lore so I was more speaking to the modeling side of things. But if it's better for the game I can respect that side of it

[DemonGSides]

Nows the time to get out there and start hoovering up classic DC boxes. I have 25 of them with jump packs built, but I've got at least two other boxes and all the leftover bits still kicking around.

 

Still got some BA tactical boxes for the same reason. We aren't gonna see such nice bits for a looooong while. 

[Blindhamster]

Personally, I’ve never liked the DC box, they were too ornate for a unit of guys that painted their armour black ready to die. 
 

I actually think of the upgrade sprue is decent it’ll be overall better for DC. 
 

rules wise, the biggest issue clearly will be what their wargear looks like.. most don’t like the current primaris version, but equally the all thunderhammers and inferno pistol option is going to go and was always an oddity. If they can take a couple extra melee special weapons compared to regular assault/jump assault intercessors, I think they’ll still be pretty cool.

 

for me personally, a lot hinges on the quality of the coming upgrade sprue though… I really want to see a lot of individual blood drop pendants and similar, stuff I can use to add little details without overloading my models. I want more bare heads - with hair! And some with more obvious fangs (well suited to the death company). I’d also like a decent assortment of shoulder pads and some chest plate replacements with blood drops - that seems less likely though so I imagine I’ll have to keep greenstuffing that sort of thing. Otherwise.. I’d like a couple of actually nice looking blood angel swords.

 

i think our sprue might be kind of weird though - if we get terminator gubbins- they’re going to be a costing options that look nice, I don’t see us getting anything unique wargear wise unlike the dark angels. And they’ll take up space.

 

have been thinking on the sanguinary guard more, I wonder if they’ll still have wings, perhaps just smaller and attached to The jump packs more like the grav flaps on the jump assault intercessors? Depending on execution, they could still look pretty angelic. It just seems unlikely they would stray too far from the established design considering they haven’t for any other “glow up” unit.

 

i do think the captain may be a multi purpose “muscle armour” kit. I doubt we will get a new named character out of it, but you never know! 

 

 

[DemonGSides]

1 hour ago, Blindhamster said:

Personally, I’ve never liked the DC box, they were too ornate for a unit of guys that painted their armour black ready to die. 

 

I don't disagree (they shouldn't be sending their version of the Mona Lisa strapped to a suicidal ICBM) but I've always thought of it like "This armor is just their normal armor, slapped with black and some saltires."

 

Most of my BA are so blinged out they'd give modern rappers a run for their money.  So having all that extra panoply makes sense when looking at the rest of my BA.

 

I wouldn't also hate some more obvious DC heads. I like there being a distinction between a red thirst sufferer and a black rage sufferer. 

Edited June 27 by DemonGSides

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 hours ago, BitsHammer said:

Wouldn't shock me if we got a dedicated Death Company unit locked to three/six model units when they go to Primaris since GW seems to want to keep strong melee units in small numbers.

They’ll likely remain assault intercessors in black armor with DC rules and units of 5/10 just like now.

 

i hope not, and they get much more interesting 

[darkhorse0607]

I always got along with the Death Company box because it reminded me of a lot of cultural traditions of dressing the deceased in their finest for their viewing/funeral. In Devastation of Baal Dante talks a decent amount of honoring them because in the end most of the Blood Angels will be there in some form. Plus, other than the sculpted Xs there isn't that much that is overly blinged compared to the old Blood Angels tactical squad and terminators

 

If then upgrade sprue is good then I can get past it, but I just picture a red version of what the Dark Angels got and while it's nice I just think the Blood Angels need more being.

 

Not trying to sound overly negative towards something we haven't seen just skeptical

Edited June 27 by darkhorse0607

[DemonGSides]

I think it's very fair to be skeptical.  The DA stuff ended up coming up slightly positive from what people wanted; many were hoping to keep their Chaplains and Strike Leaders, as well as the DWCS and were disappointed, but the new models were absolute bangers even if ICC had poor rules out the gate.

Black Templars had an absolutely awesome release, so I think there's a chance for us.

Just really worried about the Sanguinary Priest.  I love the old model and I like the datasheet.  I really would like him to continue.  Something about bringing a massive goblet into battle REALLY stokes my coals.

[Indy Techwisp]

17 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

I think it's very fair to be skeptical.  The DA stuff ended up coming up slightly positive from what people wanted; many were hoping to keep their Chaplains and Strike Leaders, as well as the DWCS and were disappointed, but the new models were absolute bangers even if ICC had poor rules out the gate.

Black Templars had an absolutely awesome release, so I think there's a chance for us.

Just really worried about the Sanguinary Priest.  I love the old model and I like the datasheet.  I really would like him to continue.  Something about bringing a massive goblet into battle REALLY stokes my coals.

 

I feel the Sangy Priest isn't going to make the jump across sadly, but if it goes I predict that the BA Upgrade Sprue will have an arm holding the Blood Goblet that's designed to fit onto the Chaplain kit and that GW will consider that a "suitable replacement".

[BitsHammer]

23 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

I feel the Sangy Priest isn't going to make the jump across sadly, but if it goes I predict that the BA Upgrade Sprue will have an arm holding the Blood Goblet that's designed to fit onto the Chaplain kit and that GW will consider that a "suitable replacement".

That or fit the Apothecary kit.

[Helias_Tancred]

On 6/26/2024 at 12:44 PM, DemonGSides said:

 

The new captain feels wrong. I'm not sure why they'd release a chapter specific captain, when they haven't really done anything like that for anyone else so far, so I'm just hoping that's a mistake from Valraks sources and that's the Sanguinary Priest.

 

 

 

 

 

I have to disagree with this sentiment. The Master Lazarus kit has been a great product for Dark Angel collectors. That kit can be used so many ways to kit-bash Dark Angel themed company masters (and other characters too)! We could do definitely use a BA captain kit, just like Black Templars have their marshal kit. I hope he's modeled just like Master Lazarus was, a new chapter specific character but also a great kit for kit-bashing captains and others for the chapter. That being said Space Wolves should get one too, which I bet they do when their stuff releases.

 

2 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

I feel the Sangy Priest isn't going to make the jump across sadly, but if it goes I predict that the BA Upgrade Sprue will have an arm holding the Blood Goblet that's designed to fit onto the Chaplain kit and that GW will consider that a "suitable replacement".

 

If I were a betting man, I'd say the Sanguinary Priest model goes away, and our chapter specific upgrade kit comes with bits to make an apothecary into a Sanguinary Priest looking apothecary?

 

 

[DemonGSides]

2 hours ago, Helias_Tancred said:

 

 

I have to disagree with this sentiment. The Master Lazarus kit has been a great product for Dark Angel collectors. That kit can be used so many ways to kit-bash Dark Angel themed company masters (and other characters too)! We could do definitely use a BA captain kit, just like Black Templars have their marshal kit. I hope he's modeled just like Master Lazarus was, a new chapter specific character but also a great kit for kit-bashing captains and others for the chapter. That being said Space Wolves should get one too, which I bet they do when their stuff releases.

 

 

If I were a betting man, I'd say the Sanguinary Priest model goes away, and our chapter specific upgrade kit comes with bits to make an apothecary into a Sanguinary Priest looking apothecary?

 

 

 

Yeah the last post of that page from that quoted one it was acknowledged I derped about Lazarus but I appreciate and agree on your points about it's kit-bashability.  I like that aspect for sure, but I'd still rather have that Priest, since BA bits are pretty plentiful and have been for years.  It'll be nice to get a good source of BA themed Artificer armor though, that's for certain.

I like the Priest's datasheet as much as the model, which is the real sticking issue.

 

 

Edited June 28 by DemonGSides

[Helias_Tancred]

13 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

Yeah the last post of that page from that quoted one it was acknowledged I derped about Lazarus but I appreciate and agree on your points about it's kit-bashability.  I like that aspect for sure, but I'd still rather have that Priest, since BA bits are pretty plentiful and have been for years.  It'll be nice to get a good source of BA themed Artificer armor though, that's for certain.

I like the Priest's datasheet as much as the model, which is the real sticking issue.

 

 

 

I agree, they need a stand alone new Sanguinary Priest model. But sadly I don't think they will do a new one, I suspect it will be bits in the faction upgrade kit?

[Brother Raul]

On 6/27/2024 at 7:34 AM, Mostwanted said:

Added to what Valrak said, the new Captain is supposed to be based on the Captain that's on the Devastation of Baal book cover. But he's been told he's holding a chainsword instead of a power sword and the cape doesn't go across his nipples. I'm hoping there will be different weapon options in the kit as well.

 

Lemartes is supposed to look great but Astorath not so good. The bits I watched, Valrak didn't go into detail why he's disappointing.

 

Sanguinor isn't Primarch size as far as he's aware. I'm probably a little disappointed by this.

 

The upgrade kit contains a Evisorator that Death Company can use. There are also Terminator parts on the upgrade sprue, such as a BA power sword arm and BA Terminator chest armour. The kit also contains Inferno pistols.

You had me at Inferno pistols.

[Brother Raul]

On 6/27/2024 at 3:31 PM, Malakithe said:

That all sounds fine but what about a Redemptor chassis Librarian or Repemptor chassis Furioso?

Like your thinking and yes, yes.  I am effectively neutral on half of it but Valrak did mention a Brutalis in the box so a Brutalis DC dread/ Librarian/ furioso upgrade sprues would be a big priority for me.

[Blindhamster]

My big concern with dread bits being in an upgrade sprue… is the space they would use. I’d much rather we have infantry stuff as we will get more on that way, and let’s face it, most of us would end up with just a load of unused dread bits far too quickly .

[Nephaston]

Yeah, with the Dark Angel sprues being two medium sized ones they could feasibly separate them into an infantry half and a vehicle half. That is if they intend to sell "Death Company Brutalis" as a standalone thing or perhaps other "Baal-pattern" variants of vehicles.

 

[BitsHammer]

Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if the Brutalis only got a sarcophagus lid as an upgrade option. I mean that is the most common Dreadnought upgrade GW has made in the past and honestly it's not like we really "need" to do more than paint it black with some red Xs to represent Death Company.

 

That said if we could swap Ironhail Stubbers for Assault Cannons on vehicles that'd be neat and a decent replacement option in kits.

Edited June 28 by BitsHammer

[DemonGSides]

Idk about Assault Cannons, but I could see Flamers being given to us.  They used to give us a lot more access to flamers compared to everyone else.

[BitsHammer]

1 hour ago, DemonGSides said:

Idk about Assault Cannons, but I could see Flamers being given to us.  They used to give us a lot more access to flamers compared to everyone else.

I was thinking about how they might transfer Baal Predators to the Primaris vehicles and assault cannons came to mind first.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

On 6/27/2024 at 1:31 AM, Malakithe said:

That all sounds fine but what about a Redemptor chassis Librarian or Repemptor chassis Furioso?

We already have a redepmtor chassis furioso. It’s called the Brutalis and is available to everyone, just like the new version of the Baal predator is available to everyone

[Helias_Tancred]

After giving this some thought, I think for Blood Angels they need a regular chapter upgrades kit that is more infantry focused like the Black Templar, and Dark Angel versions already out there. In addition they need a Blood Angel Dreadnought upgrade kit that allows you to take a Brutalis and turn it into a Furioso, Death Company, and/or Librarian Dreadnought. I hate to take on another expense for us, but in the end I see that as being more in line with the direction Games Workshop is headed with special chapter vehicle models.

 

In regards to the bits for a Furioso, a frag cannon would be in it too. 

 

btw, not a fan of Valrak. 

 

Edited June 28 by Helias_Tancred