New BA rumour (Valrak).

[DemonGSides]

 But DA also kept their Ravenwing, as well as their special speeder and their special flyers.

I don't foresee them leaving this edition, but could see it in 11th.

[Rhavien]

55 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

  

 

The Libby Dread is a pretty recent addition, it only appeared in 7th edition IIRC. If Dark Angels can lose their Deathwing Command squads then I have no trouble believing we will lose our specialist Dreads. The Brutalis is a pretty good replacement for the Furioso/DC Dreads. It is only the Libby that we will really miss.

The Libby dread goes back to 5th edition, which is half of all editions right now! Truly ancient. 

[Blindhamster]

Librarian dread never had any business being blood angel specific anyway, let’s be serious.
 

i expect it’ll stay an option for us this edition (along with the other dreads) but won’t get any kind of glow up rules wise. I think eventually we may see a generic character dread though, one to represent a librarian or chaplain.

 

and yeah, death company dreads and librarian dreads were both new in 5th edition. We had a special character dread before that - Moriar that was a unique death company dread. Tbh I preferred that lore to them being commonplace.

 

 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 hours ago, Helias_Tancred said:

I don't understand how GW could simply do away with the Librarian Dreadnought that we have always had? If they do that, well .... stunning, and lazy-*profit driven. Same for the Death Company dreadnought. They could keep it in the rules and give it a template ruleset that could be applied to an existing primaris dreadnought. The furioso same. But I'd still provide a frag cannon arm for the brutalis dreadnought if making him into a Furioso. 

 

 

*by profit-driven I mean they don't see it as making any money for them once they figure in the cost of designing the frag cannon arm and then producing it in a sprue? So they're just going to poop can these BA specific units. 

 

My previous suggested solution was perfect, make a small Blood Angel Dreadnought upgrade sprue with some bits that turns any Brutalis into a Librarian, Furioso, or Death Company dreadnought. They can slap their $79.99 price tag on it and be done with it. 

 

 

Not sure if I'm as eagerly anticipating the new Blood Angel stuff as I previously was?

 

 

The frag cannon option for furioso dreads is relatively new, and the Brutalis already is a furioso with more guns.

[Rhavien]

34 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

The frag cannon option for furioso dreads is relatively new, and the Brutalis already is a furioso with more guns.

Again, 5th edition codex. If that's relatively new or old is up to your personal opinion. I'm here since 2nd edi but it feels kinda "was always there". But I don't mind if it goes away for now. Some day it will return. Look at GSC and frickin squats, erm votan. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 hours ago, Rhavien said:

Again, 5th edition codex. If that's relatively new or old is up to your personal opinion. I'm here since 2nd edi but it feels kinda "was always there". But I don't mind if it goes away for now. Some day it will return. Look at GSC and frickin squats, erm votan. 

I mean 15 years and some days ago in a game that’s what? 37 years old?

[Helias_Tancred]

The Librarian dreadnought is now in BA lore in terms of a Black Library novel back with Devastation of Baal (and maybe earlier than that in any other short stores, etc?). Each of you have your opinion on it, but for me the Librarian Dreadnought is as representative of Blood Angels as say Sanguinary Guard or DC or any of our other special chapter specific units. I started 40k in 6th edition, Blood Angels were my first 40k army, and a collection that remained with me for most of my time in the hobby. Them killing it off is like sand in the crotch and butt crack area of my swim trunks!!!

 

Its not anything other than crappy if they kill that model off, and remove it from our chapter specific units.

 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 02:08 AM by Helias_Tancred

[Xenith]

16 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

I mean 15 years and some days ago in a game that’s what? 37 years old?

 

Yea, The Libby Dread being BA specific is now as ingrained to the BA range as Tycho was when the libby dread was released. I liked Moriar as a character, Deathstorm also gave us a special character DCD, and we can suggest the increased incidence of the black rage is leading to more DCD's being present. 

[Goranged]

is Libby dread going away a done deal at this point or just a possibility?

[Rhavien]

9 minutes ago, Goranged said:

is Libby dread going away a done deal at this point or just a possibility?

Just speculation. At least we know according to valrak, that we don't get the primarised variants of the Libby, furioso and DC Dread at this point. 

Edited Wednesday at 04:29 PM by Rhavien

[Karhedron]

All just speculation based on what happened to the Dark Angels. Where their  special units got a direct replacement, they lost some units like DW command squad. Where units did not have a direct replacement, they survived, e.g. Black Knights, Vengeance and Dark Shroud etc. This makes me think our custom Dreads will probably still be in the Codex for one more edition, but this is just speculation. 

[Paladin777]

Speculation, but most consider it a reasonable one, as much as it sucks. 
 

Even if it sticks around through 10th, I, and most others don't expect to see it survive 11th. 

[Helias_Tancred]

9 hours ago, Rhavien said:

Just speculation. At least we know according to valrak, that we don't get the primarised variants of the Libby, furioso and DC Dread at this point. 

 

I bet 3rd party heroes will come to the rescue with parts that fits a Brutalis to turn it into a Blood Angel Librarian Dreadnought? If they're not already out there?

[Blindhamster]

I’m sure I’ve seen prints for more blood angel looking brutalis. Maybe even here in the third party bits thread.

 

 

im in the minority here, but I’m overall looking forward to the release, a new astorath and new sanguinor sound most excellent if for no other reason than I never liked the old ones due to being too small even though when they first came out (especially the sanguinor). Whilst I do love the sanguinary guard, I’m still excited to see what a new rendition looks like as I think they have a lot of potential. And I love me some upgrade sprues so that has me very excited. I also never bought into kitted out death company in any edition, because the only constant they have had… is chainswords and bolt pistols, rule wise every codex has changed them. My favourite iteration for them was the one from the pdf codex where their weapons simply didn’t matter, they all got rending and 4+ fnp. 
 

id be totally fine with new ones basically having better AP chainswords like vanguard essentially. So long as they aren’t overly expensive points wise. Alternatively I feel like something along the lines of sustained hits on their melee would also work pretty well narratively.

[DemonGSides]

27 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

I’m sure I’ve seen prints for more blood angel looking brutalis. Maybe even here in the third party bits thread.

 

 

im in the minority here, but I’m overall looking forward to the release, a new astorath and new sanguinor sound most excellent if for no other reason than I never liked the old ones due to being too small even though when they first came out (especially the sanguinor). Whilst I do love the sanguinary guard, I’m still excited to see what a new rendition looks like as I think they have a lot of potential. And I love me some upgrade sprues so that has me very excited. I also never bought into kitted out death company in any edition, because the only constant they have had… is chainswords and bolt pistols, rule wise every codex has changed them. My favourite iteration for them was the one from the pdf codex where their weapons simply didn’t matter, they all got rending and 4+ fnp. 
 

id be totally fine with new ones basically having better AP chainswords like vanguard essentially. So long as they aren’t overly expensive points wise. Alternatively I feel like something along the lines of sustained hits on their melee would also work pretty well narratively.

 

I think there's a solid chance the DC weapons become "Black Rage Weaponry" or some such thing so that the actual weapons modeled don't matter; i'd be happy with that as I have a couple of DC that i've got as dual wielding melee weapons lol

[Jolemai]

I'm going to ask Tyler for a vomit reaction.

 

This is not a serious post btw.

[Karhedron]

1 hour ago, Blindhamster said:

I’m sure I’ve seen prints for more blood angel looking brutalis. Maybe even here in the third party bits thread.

 

You are right. I think @Paladin777 has done a very nice one but I cannot find it at the moment.

 

Edit - Found it. 
https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373170-paladin777s-third-company/?do=findComment&comment=6046165

Edited yesterday at 04:15 PM by Karhedron

[Paladin777]

I posted a link to his (vbits studios) to the Third Party thread. In addition to the ones on my brutalis, he also has similar bits packages for redemptor and ballistus dreads.
 

He also had a DC package. I think it's brutalis only, but I don't remember off the top of my head. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

9 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

 

I think there's a solid chance the DC weapons become "Black Rage Weaponry" or some such thing so that the actual weapons modeled don't matter; i'd be happy with that as I have a couple of DC that i've got as dual wielding melee weapons lol

Just depends on the stat line that weapon profile gets lol.

 

A3 S5 AP-1 D2 would be pretty underwhelming. 
 

A4 S6 AP-2 D2 <anti-infantry 3+> 

now that sounds pretty solid.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

9 hours ago, Blindhamster said:

I’m sure I’ve seen prints for more blood angel looking brutalis. Maybe even here in the third party bits thread.

 

 

im in the minority here, but I’m overall looking forward to the release, a new astorath and new sanguinor sound most excellent if for no other reason than I never liked the old ones due to being too small even though when they first came out (especially the sanguinor). Whilst I do love the sanguinary guard, I’m still excited to see what a new rendition looks like as I think they have a lot of potential. And I love me some upgrade sprues so that has me very excited. I also never bought into kitted out death company in any edition, because the only constant they have had… is chainswords and bolt pistols, rule wise every codex has changed them. My favourite iteration for them was the one from the pdf codex where their weapons simply didn’t matter, they all got rending and 4+ fnp. 
 

id be totally fine with new ones basically having better AP chainswords like vanguard essentially. So long as they aren’t overly expensive points wise. Alternatively I feel like something along the lines of sustained hits on their melee would also work pretty well narratively.

I want to be excited, but GW has largely killed my excitement for the game. 
between constant rules changes, those changes not being clear how they interact with other rules, and it seeming like most of the changes are done just for the sake of change just makes it all just way to frustrating and annoying to be interested.

 

theres always the possibility that I’ll get excited when I see the models if they look amazing, but if that happens I’ll simply be excited about beautiful new models and not the game play aspect of them.

[Cenobite Terminator]

All this discussion about dreadnaughts makes me wish they’d bring back Moriar, he was a metal beast.