Space wolves and blood angels relationship.

[Wolfandraven77]

Hello guys! 

Can anyone tell me what the beef between the blood angels and the space wolves were?  In the rules they are distrusted allies.

I don't remember reading any of the horus heresy novel series that specifically mentioned  that sanguinius and russ hate each other or that they came to blows in anyway ( apart from the blood angels going mental in fear to tread, which I assume was an isolated incident that the rest of the legions didnt find out about). 

Is there lore about this beef? 

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

I think aren't real ones, in the background way. Just to limit certain combos in play.

[Noserenda]

The Blood Angels are murderous savages, desperately keeping that at bay with Culture and the like, the Space Wolves pretend to be murderous savages to hide their culture and the like so they looks tougher. Feels like thats a situation ready to cause a whole swathe of problems, contempt and misunderstandings.

The Primarchs dont have any direct beef, but were prominently on opposite sides of the Librarian issue so i suspect that doesnt help! 

[Karhedron]

I think a lot of other Primarchs mistrust Russ due to the 6th Legion's reputation as kinslayers. Deservedly or not, they were perceived as the Emperor's sanction if another Legion stepped out of line.

[Valkyrion]

Of all the legions to show your red thirsty tendencies to, the Space Wolves are arguably the worst. 

Corax and Vulkan would probably be sympathetic, Guilliman and Dorn wary of it, Khan and Ferrus would tell them to embrace it, the Lion would be pleased that through such imperfection he has found himself elevated above his brother, but the wolves would be all 'maleficarum, maleficarum!' like the hairy hypocrites they are. 

[LameBeard]

What are you saying, Sanguinius doesn’t want Wolves sniffing out his secret and then acting the executioner and leaving another empty plinth? It all hangs together …

Edited July 12 by LameBeard

[Xenith]

On 7/12/2024 at 11:31 AM, Valkyrion said:

the Lion would be pleased that through such imperfection he has found himself elevated above his brother

 

You nailed the Lion's character in a way I didn't know could be done! 

Edited July 22 by Xenith

[Wolfandraven77]

Totally! I think I remember sanguinius in fear to tread  being rather paranoid about horus and the luna wolves finding out about his " little secret". Obviously horus used that to his own advantage. Would russ have been so machiavelian?  I doubt it. 

Great replies everyone.

Despite not featuring the blood angels i am rereading  prospero burns and I think it might be in my top 5 HH novels.

[The Unseen]

I mean, I disagree on the Wolves getting really up in arms over the Red Thirst. It's parallels to the Wulfen are readily available. And it isn't possession, or sorcery, just their own genetics, just like the Wulfen. Some of the... less diplomatic among them might start throwing stones, but I doubt Russ or any of the long fangs in the Legion would. Glass houinteractions.

 

Even Russ has a quote somewhere I'm too lazy to go find right now directly, when he's speaking of what brothers he thinks he could and couldn't beat, and straight up calls Sanguinius a blend of berzerker and and angel more or less. So Sanguinius' ferocity is at least known to Russ.

 

And well, just see what happens when Nassir Amit and Odi Sartak run into each other during the end of the Siege.

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/s/iBRuTJ17sc

 

But they don't have many canon jnteractions.

[Xenith]

4 hours ago, The Unseen said:

I disagree on the Wolves getting really up in arms over the Red Thirst. It's parallels to the Wulfen are readily available. And it isn't possession, or sorcery, just their own genetics, just like the Wulfen. Some of the... less diplomatic among them might start throwing stones, but I doubt Russ or any of the long fangs in the Legion would. Glass houinteractions.

 

You forget how massively hypocritical the space wolves are, though. They would absolutely condemn another legion for something they themselves do, under the guise of some arm-wavey 'wyrd'.

 

Tapping into the spirit of Fenris to summon ghost wolves, change the weather, or make the earth tremble? Fine. Tapping into the spirit of literally anything else? MALEFICARUM! Uncontrolled mutation turning you into snarling feral beasts? Just the space wolf geneseed/canis helix manifesting itself, no issues. Any other mutation? MALEFICARUM! 

 

Russ even took it upon himself to go kill members of a loyal, if wayward legion, with no signs of MALEFICARUM, just to teach them a lesson in teambuilding. It's fully understandable that Sanguinius would be afraid of Russ randomly deciding to slaughter his legion if he found out about slightly deviant practices. 

 

4 hours ago, The Unseen said:

And well, just see what happens when Nassir Amit and Odi Sartak run into each other during the end of the Siege.

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/s/iBRuTJ17sc

 

But they don't have many canon jnteractions.

 

I'd say that the wolf reacts in this way, as he's already seen so much worse during the siege. This is pretty tame by comparison. Pre-heresy, he'd have shouted MALEFICARUM and tried to kill Amit without a second thought. 

[lansalt]

 

Pre-heresy, he'd have shouted MALEFICARUM and tried to kill Amit without a second thought. 

Actually, despite the BA fears, SW seems to be quite sensible about them losing their minds in rage. Maybe because they share something similar due to their geneseed even if it's not so extreme.

In Fear to Tread, when Amit and the BA fell to the red thirst at Signus Prime the SW watch pack tried to calm them down before being killed.