Codex: Imperial Agents + Coteaz Reveal + Chamber Militant Battleforces

[foxlight713]

9 hours ago, sbarnby71 said:

The AoS Stormcast Lord Terminos is just such a cool model to convert, here's my Wolf Priest I finished today, could easily be an Inquisitor.

I'm gonna have to put a pin on this post and steal that idea for my diy space wolves chapter, and maybe get a second one for an inquisitor conversion for my sisters.

[phandaal]

15 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said:

It's not just 1 model though eh. The single new model released for the Agents of the Imperium Codex is rubbish. The single new model releeased for the Custodes Codex is rubbish. The new Marine squad Desolators were rubbish...

 

 

 

There has got to be a "B Team" for models just like they have for Codexes. That would explain how they can release excellent new models like those Kroot Rampagers while totally whiffing on the easy stuff like this resculpt.

[Kharn13]

1 minute ago, phandaal said:

 

There has got to be a "B Team" for models just like they have for Codexes. That would explain how they can release excellent new models like those Kroot Rampagers while totally whiffing on the easy stuff like this resculpt.

I just hope World Eaters get the “A team”!

[Blindhamster]

There have been plenty of times where a release for a range has sucked.

 

the assault squad had absolutely terrible proportions with super tiny legs and ugly faces. The old plastic scouts were a huge step down from the old metal ones. The centurion war suits were awful. Just to name a series of space marine kits.

 

im sure there will be some that disagree with each of the above, but equally, I know people that like the desolation marines, and I’ve seen enough people say they like coteaz to show that there’s always going to be someone that does like what others don’t.

 

 

 

 

[Nephaston]

7 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

the assault squad had absolutely terrible proportions with super tiny legs and ugly faces. The old plastic scouts were a huge step down from the old metal ones. The centurion war suits were awful. Just to name a series of space marine kits.

Ah, you see, these kits are old now; therefore they are of quality, and will be mourned when they eventually sail west.

Heed my words; If the rumour for a redone dreadknights are true, we will have people exclaim their preference for the old one regardless of the new ones quality.

[HeadlessCross]

8 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

 

This looks very cool.

 

But I still prefer Inquisitor Chonks lol

......but why? I don't like blinged out models and it's still trash looking at it from that perspective. 

[Wispy]

11 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

One bad model is not a big deal. If you don't like it, don't buy it. There are other Inquisitor models that looks much better and the old Coteaz model is available 2nd hand.

it's also a perfectly cromulent model if you weren't expecting it to be Coteaz. I would give it a solid B if it was just supposed to be a new character.

 

(I'm sure some angry, unobjective hyperbolics are going to come and scream at me that it's not a serviceable model in any circumstances, but given that I learned about this model's existed from excited hobbyists posting about it in the Space Wolfs group looking at this as a kitbash opportunity, i know there's something in there that some will find appealing)

[Orange Knight]

I think we have to wait until we get some more Intel on the way the lore is reflected in this model.

 

Did a Daemonic ritual make him younger? Is it a completely new person? Etc...

 

There is actually nothing truly wrong with the kit, except the fact that it's objectively quite different, and subjectively not as cool as the old one.

[WAR]

I lucked out my buddy @The_Oni_of_Hindsight had an extra so he’s giving me one in trade 

[librisrouge]

2 hours ago, Nephaston said:

Ah, you see, these kits are old now; therefore they are of quality, and will be mourned when they eventually sail west.

Heed my words; If the rumour for a redone dreadknights are true, we will have people exclaim their preference for the old one regardless of the new ones quality.

As one of the few that has always loved the baby carrier dread knight, I just wanted it on the record how much that model is awesome. I only wish it was more posable. 

[MithrilForge]

Due to the amount of dislike .... If that New Coteaz model doesn't move at my FLGS and it gets put to markdown I'm Definitely going to snap it up put a modified terminator helmet on it and paint it in boltgun metal and start that Brotherhood of steel idea I always wanted to try  

 

Cheers, Mithril

 

[WAR]

I think converting him to a judge will be my route 

[MithrilForge]

@WAR -  that earlier mock up with the Helmet in black looked pretty nice 

I seriously think a different paint job on him will help somewhat... 

Mithril

[WAR]

Yeah I need to save it too…

[TheArtilleryman]

I find it hilarious that everyone hates the Coteaz model but at the same time everyone wants to buy it to convert it… we may be sending the wrong signals to GW …

[Orion]

What's with Eavy Metal needing to paint frown lines on skin?

 

Even on the old Coteaz (technically 2nd paintjob they've done. DH codex wasn't like this)
 

 

 

I get everything has to have "definition", but they make their own sculpts look worse than they are.
I feel like that can sometimes be a problem with mini painters in general.
Everyone ends up looking like they're painting on their eyebrows, wearing fake noses and wigs.

[appiah4]

8 hours ago, Captain Idaho said:

It's not just 1 model though eh. The single new model released for the Agents of the Imperium Codex is rubbish. The single new model releeased for the Custodes Codex is rubbish. The new Marine squad Desolators were rubbish...

 

 

 

I mean, yeah.  I don't want to start listing all the ugly recent 40K releases here, it would be a fight over matters of taste but I don't think anybody can deny the Desolators and Shied Captain were hot garbage.  And now we have, this.  I am not even going into the outrageous single character prices they charge for ugly as sin Shield Captain and now Coteaz.  40K seems to be on a treadmill that's churning out consistently terrible figures for the sake of an unsustainable business model.

 

MW Minis had this on Ig I think, and it's an interesting angle: Why is the Eagle on a seperate base?  Could it be because it is a model that has specific rules, and can move seperately?  If so, that would also completely ruin the "Use the old Coteaz" argument as well..

Edited July 26 by appiah4

[casb1965]

8 hours ago, Captain Idaho said:

It's not just 1 model though eh. The single new model released for the Agents of the Imperium Codex is rubbish. The single new model releeased for the Custodes Codex is rubbish. The new Marine squad Desolators were rubbish...

 

 

 

Agents of the Imperium didn't need a large amount of new models though,  everything had already been released in Kill Team.

Inquisitorial Agents, Arbites, Navy Breachers, Kasrkin (for Stormtroopers), Rogue Traders, it's all there.

And if anyone wanted a "generic" Inquisitor pray tell what does one look like? You'd need twenty plus models just to cover the Inquisitors described in the Eisenhorn trilogy.

[Orion]

9 minutes ago, casb1965 said:

And if anyone wanted a "generic" Inquisitor pray tell what does one look like? 

Historically speaking? (excuse the blur)

 

Something like the old multipart plastic SM captain would be fun.
Have a few weapons and drip options.

[Gamiel]

51 minutes ago, appiah4 said:

but I don't think anybody can deny the Desolators and Shied Captain were hot garbage. 

I deny it. I don't have any problem with them.

[appiah4]

Well then I have seen everything.

[irlLordy]

1 hour ago, appiah4 said:

 

MW Minis had this on Ig I think, and it's an interesting angle: Why is the Eagle on a seperate base?  Could it be because it is a model that has specific rules, and can move seperately?  If so, that would also completely ruin the "Use the old Coteaz" argument as well..

 

The trend in 10th has been to make these small add ons to units like plasmacytes or tau drones be tokens rather than units in their own right, so using the old Coteaz (after rebasing) should be fine. Its more likely you'll place the Eagle beside an enemy unit and everyone gets +1 to hit against it, or there'll be some other ability, but you can sacrifice it to soak up an attack or something like that.

Edited July 26 by irlLordy

[Matcap86]

10 hours ago, Captain Idaho said:

It's not just 1 model though eh. The single new model released for the Agents of the Imperium Codex is rubbish. The single new model releeased for the Custodes Codex is rubbish. The new Marine squad Desolators were rubbish...

 

 

 

On the other hand there's been dozens of pretty great models coming around in the same timeframe. The new Chaos stuff is pretty good, most of the new Kroot models are excellent, the revamp of scouts and terminators are really good. The dark angels, eldar and tyranids revamp are mostly brilliant models, etc. etc. 

[Robbienw]

Desolators are indeed the hottest of garbage.

 

But there have always been dodgy releases in every year of 40k.  There has good stuff recently still, particularly amoungst the kill team units and the new terminators.

 

I think the main issue with Coteaz is that he has extremely odd proportions, and is dramatically worse than the original model.  Not almost as good, or as good but different.  Dramatically worse.

[ZeroWolf]

2 hours ago, appiah4 said:

 

I mean, yeah.  I don't want to start listing all the ugly recent 40K releases here, it would be a fight over matters of taste but I don't think anybody can deny the Desolators and Shied Captain were hot garbage.  And now we have, this.  I am not even going into the outrageous single character prices they charge for ugly as sin Shield Captain and now Coteaz.  40K seems to be on a treadmill that's churning out consistently terrible figures for the sake of an unsustainable business model.

 

MW Minis had this on Ig I think, and it's an interesting angle: Why is the Eagle on a seperate base?  Could it be because it is a model that has specific rules, and can move seperately?  If so, that would also completely ruin the "Use the old Coteaz" argument as well..

It would also be ignoring all the brilliant stuff that's come out for 40k since the start of 10th (and probably still to come). I mean, look at the Kroot refresh for example.

 

If anything, 40k got this lull because probably the more senior designers got to go wild with AoS 4th edition and other assorted games. The pendulum will swing back, it always does.