Codex: Imperial Agents + Coteaz Reveal + Chamber Militant Battleforces

[spiros14]

1 hour ago, ZeroWolf said:

It would also be ignoring all the brilliant stuff that's come out for 40k since the start of 10th (and probably still to come). I mean, look at the Kroot refresh for example.

 

If anything, 40k got this lull because probably the more senior designers got to go wild with AoS 4th edition and other assorted games. The pendulum will swing back, it always does.

 

I think that hits the nail on the head.
Given what we've seen with the new Age of Sigmar range, the Old World character models, and the latest necromunda release, it's pretty clear the focus isn't on 40k right now.
I would strongly suspect that a larger autumn or winter release will come out with a more impressive model range, especially when we're awaiting a new army like Emperor's Children.

[sbarnby71]

12 hours ago, foxlight713 said:

I'm gonna have to put a pin on this post and steal that idea for my diy space wolves chapter, and maybe get a second one for an inquisitor conversion for my sisters.

Here's my Primaris Wolves thread and how he was built, plus more finished pics from different angles:

 

[Kharn13]

7 minutes ago, spiros14 said:

 

I think that hits the nail on the head.
Given what we've seen with the new Age of Sigmar range, the Old World character models, and the latest necromunda release, it's pretty clear the focus isn't on 40k right now.
I would strongly suspect that a larger autumn or winter release will come out with a more impressive model range, especially when we're awaiting a new army like Emperor's Children.

A nice big (DA size) Blood Angels release at the end of summer would be nice!

 

The winter stuff probably won’t come until after the holidays due to the limited Christmas boxes. 

[Captain Idaho]

2 hours ago, Matcap86 said:

 

On the other hand there's been dozens of pretty great models coming around in the same timeframe. The new Chaos stuff is pretty good, most of the new Kroot models are excellent, the revamp of scouts and terminators are really good. The dark angels, eldar and tyranids revamp are mostly brilliant models, etc. etc. 

 

Doesn't make the fans of Agents, Deathwatch, Custodes or Marines who don't like Desolators (so everyone deep down ) feel any better though.

 

4 hours ago, casb1965 said:

 

Agents of the Imperium didn't need a large amount of new models though,  everything had already been released in Kill Team.

Inquisitorial Agents, Arbites, Navy Breachers, Kasrkin (for Stormtroopers), Rogue Traders, it's all there.

And if anyone wanted a "generic" Inquisitor pray tell what does one look like? You'd need twenty plus models just to cover the Inquisitors described in the Eisenhorn trilogy.

 

But they did need stuff.

 

Inquisitor henchmen, Judges and additional squads and support for Arbites, priests and religious zealots... there's plenty that could have been done.

 

And if it is correct that nothing was needed, then the 1 model they did release being gar-barge is just awful.

[Matcap86]

1 hour ago, Captain Idaho said:

 

Doesn't make the fans of Agents, Deathwatch, Custodes or Marines who don't like Desolators (so everyone deep down ) feel any better though.

 

 

 

 

Eh, I'm sure marine players will live as they've had some 20plus other releases in the same timeframe most of which are received to great acclaim. There's also alternatives for the inquisitors released.

 

Custodes are the only ones who I feel are left out a bit (but I'm biased). Maybe it's because all the other models they have are just SO good that the new shield captain just pales in comparison. 

[ZeroWolf]

10 minutes ago, Matcap86 said:

 

Eh, I'm sure marine players will live as they've had some 20plus other releases in the same timeframe most of which are received to great acclaim. There's also alternatives for the inquisitors released.

 

Custodes are the only ones who I feel are left out a bit (but I'm biased). Maybe it's because all the other models they have are just SO good that the new shield captain just pales in comparison. 

Plus i reckon that Custodes will be getting a range refresh in the near future (GW don't like putting out too many range refreshes out at once apparently. I'm betting it has to do with factory output).  

 

Also love how people bring up desolation marines as if they were a recent release and not a kit designed before 2020, released a year and a half ago. You guys are going to have to let it go at some point 

[Nephaston]

5 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

Plus i reckon that Custodes will be getting a range refresh in the near future (GW don't like putting out too many range refreshes out at once apparently. I'm betting it has to do with factory output).  

A good avenue for custodians to be refreshed would also be 30k.

[phandaal]

34 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

Also love how people bring up desolation marines as if they were a recent release and not a kit designed before 2020, released a year and a half ago. You guys are going to have to let it go at some point 

 

Every kit is designed long before it releases. This is not new news. However, people can only start disliking a crappy mini from the time they first see it, so maybe GW should have released the concept art back in 2018 so people could "let it go" by the correct date. 

 

Desolation Marines are ridiculous models btw. Although nothing compares to the unholy abomination that is the Suppressors kit.

[LSM]

7 hours ago, appiah4 said:

MW Minis had this on Ig I think, and it's an interesting angle: Why is the Eagle on a seperate base?  Could it be because it is a model that has specific rules, and can move separately?  If so, that would also completely ruin the "Use the old Coteaz" argument as well..

 

I think that's a bit "cart before the horse".

 

Which is to say, while sculptors will have a grip on the rules, and often make stuff with them in the back of their head, their focus is on making cool models. It's then up to the rules team to do something with those models.

 

If Coteaz has new rules for an independently acting psyber-eagle, it's as a result of the model having a separate base for the psyber-eagle. The psyber-eagle was not sculpted to be independent because someone in the rules team came up with an idea for it to act independently. 

 

Sculptors do, rules writers deal, fiction is infinitely mutable.

 

 

Edited July 26 by LSM

[Orange Knight]

Desolators didn't look great, but the Brutalis Dreadnought and the various character releases since, including the Lion, have been excellent. 

 

I don't see any downward trend in terms of model quality. There are a few duds, and there are some greats. Nothing has really changed.

[Marshal Reinhard]

Ya'll be racisting my desolation boys. They're just regular marines, its the gun that's silly.

[Orange Knight]

Desolators actually look fine. The only gun that actually looks silly is the unique one the Sgt can be equipped with. The others are fine, and not as over-sized.

[WAR]

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Edited July 29 by WAR

[twopounder]

oof. That model is bad. Objectively bad. That looks like some of the press cast models from 15 years ago. Someone phoned it in on this one. Who on earth would spend $35+ for that model? Even the paint job is bland. Its on the level of what I could do. I get they didn't have much to work with, but its not very convincing for the price tag.

[ThePenitentOne]

I'm wondering about Shadow Operations. 

 

They have a lot of potential, but there's so many ways GW could go, and the article didn't give much detail. Each Op could be a self-contained engagement- perhaps a bespoke mission. Or they could be more like Spec Ops from Kill Team: achieve x Agenda Y times as you close in your target; achieve z Agenda in a culminating battle. There may be one per detachment, or a few per detachment. 

 

Ashes of Faith's Campaign system was excellent, and it would be easy to repurpose and modify to work with 40k Crusade; I'm hoping that Shadow Operations either take cues from AoF or that they can slot easily into the AoF framework.

[El_Dicko]

I’m pretty sad that the cool Arbites transfer sheet didn’t actually portend any vehicle release. 

[01RTB01]

On 7/25/2024 at 3:18 PM, Captain Idaho said:

It's not just 1 model though eh. The single new model released for the Agents of the Imperium Codex is rubbish. The single new model releeased for the Custodes Codex is rubbish. The new Marine squad Desolators were rubbish...

 

 

 

Ork big mek, fab, all the heresy stuff literally, all of it, excellent. The nid stuff, lovely, new skaven, fantastic, glorfindel - outstanding, the ork refresh - wondrous... Etc etc.

 

The vast majority is really, really good. You've cited 3 examples which don't represent a majority. Yes, coteaz is poor, but he doesn't represent the majority of releases. Do you play custodes or agents of the imperium?

[Captain Idaho]

As you've pointed out, the human/Imperial studio stuff seems to be quite jarringly divisive or poorly made much more frequently, citing the examples I've given and I could give more but that delves into off topic. It represents a high number of collections, certainly more than any other faction and thus affects many, many players.

 

So keeping it on track, there was precisely 1 new release support for Agents of the Imperium and it is widely regarded as poor.

 

Tyranids got great new models? Well that's great for Tyranid players but not so relevant for Agents of the Imperium collectors.

 

The argument that "well GW did great with my AoS and Tyranids, so it doesn't matter" is a poor one and I've seen it made several times. I don't collect those things. In the here and now, the items I collected IN THIS RELEASE got zero new support in miniatures, bar importing existing models from another game and releasing just 1 new model that is poorly received.

Edited July 27 by Captain Idaho

[Schrödingers Primarch]

2 hours ago, Captain Idaho said:

The argument that "well GW did great with my AoS and Tyranids, so it doesn't matter" is a poor one and I've seen it made several times. I don't collect those things. In the here and now, the items I collected IN THIS RELEASE got zero new support in miniatures, bar importing existing models from another game and releasing just 1 new model that is poorly received.

On top of 3 box sets mostly including kits with low sales. Agents of the Imperium seems to be more of a cash grab than typical releases for GW. I was planning on expanding my allied Agents units into a full army, but there is zero chance of that now given the laziness of this release. 

[DemonGSides]

2 hours ago, Captain Idaho said:

The argument that "well GW did great with my AoS and Tyranids, so it doesn't matter" is a poor one and I've seen it made several times. I don't collect those things. In the here and now, the items I collected IN THIS RELEASE got zero new support in miniatures, bar importing existing models from another game and releasing just 1 new model that is poorly received.

 

That's literally no one's argument and you know it.

 

The ORIGINAL ARGUMENT (before you moved the goalposts) was that GW 40k quality had gone downhill. Thats a pretty bold claim that isn't backed up by the fact that the vast majority of kits have been well received over the past three years.

 

I personally think AoS has killed it even compared to 40k, but don't go tilting at windmills. It's a pretty bad look. 

[brother_b]

I keep coming back to this topic, hoping for some excitement. I was really bummed out when a few years ago they said the inquisition would not have 40 K representation.

 

I never understood that again as this is really a large skirmish game, I’ve mentioned that before.

 

Now I have a chance to actually play some of my collection, to add in those weird kits that I bought just because I love them, like the navy breachers, henchman, space ape. I’m super excited.

 

I like to win, I play competitive casual, meaning I don’t minimax. In fact most of the people I game against play that way.

 

Now I have the ability to create and bring another army, also some that can fit in with my existing armies. So good.

 

Best of all for me, as I already have imperial armies, I can start gaming with what I’ve got after just painting up a handful of models as opposed to having to paint up a full army to get it on the table.

I’m likely going to purchase the coteaz kit AND the corvus kit box sets. That would provide with what I already have basically a full army.
 

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[Robbienw]

The single new model is poor yes, but much of the recent imperial releases that are part of Agents are great.

 

Navy Breachers, Arbites and Inquistorial agents are all recent fantastic models.

[CL_Mission]

The Ordo Malleus set is getting really tempting. When it comes out will really decide whether or not I pick it up but two sets of the henchmen would be great for building each of the different options and great a real menagerie of weirdos to go with the ones I already have, would also like the assassin and Coteaz for kit bashing. Would hopefully be able to find someone to take the Termies off my hands though.

I could also go with Hereticus since I already have a teeny tiny bit of sisters I could put with it and I'd love to finally get my hands on some Arbites however I think I might already have two copies of Greyfax on the sprue sitting around somewhere and I already have Taddeus.

[soviet1337]

Most 40k (and non-40k) model releases are excellent. It's very rare nowadays for something to come out that's just bad. 
 

I think what has exacerbated the controversy on Coteaz is that it's just a single model release, for a faction that is crying out for a decent multi-build plastic Inquisitor, or at least a few more set build ones. 

[ThePenitentOne]

Also: while it's foolish to expect it, there is a chance that either Kill Team or a 40k Warhammer Quest game to fill the void left by Blackstone Fortress will supply additional models to this range. Both of those formats are excellent for Agents, and I could see an Arbites Judge or Naval Officer as a Quest character easily.

 

Like I said, not expecting it, but not writing off the possibility either.

 

I hope we get another preview or a release announcement soon. I really want to theoryhamer this book, and there's too much we don't know.