TiguriusX Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 I got my ass handed to me in the invitational but I learned a great deal about nexus and how others are approaching it. I believe the current meta is going to be driven by Sisters/Blood Angels/Thousand Sons at the top Sisters (Bringers of Flame) -Vahl + paragons destroy targets at will -Celestine + Seraphim brick move 18" and flame then overwatch anything on foot -Castigators focus fire and kill anything they can see Blood Angels (Sons of Sanguinius) -If they can reach you they will kill you -Assault jump intercessors with character support punch way above their weight -Sanguinary priests are priority targets Thousand Sons -Magnus kills what he wants -Arcane vortex and tons of flamers mean overwatch kills anything on foot Here is my first list in response to the meta Spoiler We measure ourselves against the Adeptus Sororitas Nothing else matters +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + FACTION KEYWORD: Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves + DETACHMENT: Gladius Task Force + TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 2000pts + ALLIED UNITS: Agents of the Imperium + + WARLORD: Char4: Bjorn the Fell-Handed + ENHANCEMENT: The Honour Vehement (on Char1: Captain) & Fire Discipline (on Char2: Lieutenant) + NUMBER OF UNITS: 17 + SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (5x2) + (1x4) - Assassination: 6 Characters +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Char1: 1x Captain (95 pts): Power Fist, Plasma Pistol Enhancement: The Honour Vehement (+15 pts) Char2: 1x Lieutenant (95 pts): Power Fist, Heavy Bolt Pistol, Master-crafted Bolt Rifle Enhancement: Fire Discipline (+30 pts) Char3: 1x Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (70 pts): Combi-weapon, Paired Combat Blades Char4: 1x Bjorn the Fell-Handed (180 pts): Warlord, Heavy Flamer, Trueclaw, Twin lascannon Char5: 1x Ragnar Blackmane (90 pts): Bolt Pistol, Frostfang Char6: 1x Callidus Assassin (100 pts): Neural shredder, Phase sword and poison blades 5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75 pts) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist • 4x Assault Intercessors: 4 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75 pts) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist • 4x Assault Intercessors: 4 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 5x Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (80 pts) • 4x Assault Intercessors with Jump Pack 3 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 1 with Astartes Chainsword, Plasma Pistol • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist 9x Hellblaster Squad (230 pts) • 8x Hellblaster: 8 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Plasma Incinerator • 1x Hellblaster Sergeant: Close Combat Weapon, Plasma Incinerator, Bolt Pistol 5x Infiltrator Squad (100 pts): Helix Gauntlet, Infiltrator Comms Array • 1x Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine • 4x Infiltrators: 4 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine 5x Scout Squad (65 pts) • 2x Scout 1 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Missile Launcher 1 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Scout Sniper Rifle • 1x Scout Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Astartes Chainsword • 2x Scouts: 2 with Astartes Shotgun, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon 1x Drop Pod (70 pts): Storm Bolter 1x Land Raider Redeemer (285 pts): Armoured Tracks, 2x Flamestorm Cannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Multi-melta, Storm Bolter, Twin Assault Cannon 1x Predator Destructor (130 pts): Armoured Tracks, Hunter Killer Missile, Predator Autocannon, Storm Bolter, 2x Lascannon 1x Predator Destructor (130 pts): Armoured Tracks, Hunter Killer Missile, Predator Autocannon, Storm Bolter, 2x Lascannon 1x Predator Destructor (130 pts): Armoured Tracks, Hunter Killer Missile, Predator Autocannon, Storm Bolter, 2x Lascannon Primary focus of this list is killing sisters Hellblaster bomb is the vahl hard counter tool LRR is the celestine counter and midfield bully Predators are castigator/immolator counters I have made additional lists that tweak for different opponents and will test those as well Variant 1 replaces Bjorn and Scouts with Hounds of Morkai + LT (can 1 shot magnus but still need to dodge flamers overwatch) Variant 2 replaces Bjorn and Scouts to upgrade the predators to vindicators (shrug off flamers and direct blast magnus) I will be testing all those variants in this saga jpwyrm 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted July 27 Author Share Posted July 27 T5S2 Pod 6 Round 1 v Sisters Mission J 4 Search & Destroy Raise Banners Lynch pin His lister Spoiler ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Player Name: Robert Baker Army Points: 1995 Army Enhancements (list on which model): 1. Righteous Rage on "Arez" - Palatine 2. Fire and Fury on "Welf" - Palatine Detachment Rule: Bringers of Flame ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Byzantium Shroud ++ Assassinate: 20 (+4 for Celestine Rez) points Bring it Down: 14 points A Convent of order minoris formed from the "true" Argent Shroud on the Archive World Alexandrum in the Atilla System, they are led by an order militant known as the "Constantinople Shroud" and contain two other minor orders: an order pronatus, in charge of holy relics, known as the "Hagian Shroud" and an order Dialogus, in charge of secret knowledge, known as the "Sophic Shroud" which all work together to collect and protect knowledge and relics of not just the Ecclesiarchy, but also of the Ordo Hereticus. They have their own secrets to protect in addition to inquisitorial and ecclesiarchal secrets on this world of records located on the other side of the rift - they are in reality the remains of a Drukhari noble house that became biologically human after fleeing Vect's take-over of Commoragh at the end of M35! After a few centuries of wandering the webway, they decided to investigate the potential of monkeigh faith to keep their souls safe from She Who Thirsts. They succeeded, for the future Saint Silvana was their princess and de facto leader in exile who had joined the Daughters of the Emperor as part of this investigation and eventually met with The Emperor in M36. In fact, the mystery of the disappearance of Saint Silvana's body 7 days after death is simply a side-effect of allied Haemonculi, basically in charge of the local ecclesiarchy, who continue to offer resurrection services to the entire Byzantium Shroud group of orders and build Mortifiers and similar for them in place of pain engines. To help produce the soul power for their resurrections and also provide additional power to fuel them in 'miraculous' feats in combat, they prefer to try to improve the discipline of their imperial allies through putting on morale enhancing performances of song and dance. "St. Silvana 's Triumph" - The Triumph of Saint Katherine [190pts] "Athena" - Saint Celestine [160pts] "Odyssae Squad" - Seraphim Squad [170pts] . 5x Seraphim . 4x Seraphim with Special Weapons: 2x Ministorum Hand Flamer . Seraphim Superior: Plasma Pistol and Power Weapon "Alexandra" - Morvenn Vahl [160pts] "Bukephalis Squad" - Paragon Warsuits [210pts] . Paragon Superior: Multi-melta, Paragon Storm Bolters, Paragon War Mace 2x . Paragon Warsuit: Multi-melta, Paragon Storm Bolters, Paragon War Blade "Arez" - Palatine [60pts]: Plasma pistol, Righteous Rage "Hypolita Squad" - Sisters Novitiate Squad [100pts] . Novitiate Superior: Plasma Pistol and Power Weapon .9x Novitiates: 2x Autogun, 2x Ministorum Flamer, Simulacrum Imperialis, 3x Novitiate Melee Weapon, Sacred Banner "War Girdle" - Immolator [115pts]: Twin Multi-melta, Hunter-Killer Missile "Welf" - Palatine [70pts]: Plasma pistol, Fire and Fury "Bell Squad" - Dominion Squad [115pts] . 9x Dominion: 4x Artificer Storm Bolter, Simulacrum Imperialis . Dominion Superior: Condemnor Boltgun, Power Weapon "Lili" - Immolator [115pts]: Twin Multi-melta, Hunter-Killer Missile "Perseus Squad" - Dominion Squad [115pts] . 9x Dominion: 4x Meltagun, Simulacrum Imperialis . Dominion Superior: Condemnor Boltgun, Power Weapon "Winged Sandals" - Immolator [115pts]: Twin Multi-melta, Hunter-Killer Missile "Pariz" - Castigator [150pts]: Castigator battle cannon, Hunter-Killer Missile, Storm bolter "Hekta" - Castigator [150pts]: Castigator battle cannon, Hunter-Killer Missile, Storm bolter Not a fully polished meta list but close. My opponent was testing a wild idea about storm bolter dominions Deployment Opponent wins roll and claims top right with novitiates I throw scouts as a sacrifice on left flank so he can't push down and reach my combo LT bottom left Callidus is midboard to stop any kamikaze push and disembark I put captain on foot to start on my obj b/c banners. I will take the free point before moving out Deployment after scout moves I go first Turn 1A I win the roll to go first and draw engage + assassinate LRR and bottom predator advance left into position Combi LT steps on objective and prepares to hide LRR can fry anything coming in on foot and I can reactive move away from a vehicle trying to shoot me Scouts push up and charge into immolator to road block...I lose 1 in melee They will keep that immolator pinned against the wall for the rest of the game...so I won't mention them again Scouts get me baby engage and I toss assassinate for a CP Turn 1B LRR uses Armor of Contempt and a CP reroll and bounces all incoming shots (including 4 hunter killers) If ANY of them got through he had a bunch of miracle 6's lined up for damage rolls Turn 2A He made 1 major mistake when he shuffled his army to attack me...Vahl and friends were exposed I pick up callidus before my turn I draw bring it down + locus Callidus will drop middle and locus + vect his tanks I activate dev doctrine and plan out where to bring in the hellbomb The terrain is preventing me from avoiding his overwatch completely so I just get outside 18" of 3 warsuits He rolls a natural 6 and miracles another for his multi melta overwatch 2 HB vaporized I get lucky and save 5/6 Vahl shots (damage 2 each would have annihilated me) Lose 3 HB to overwatch 2 fire on death and I punch 2 damage through before removing them I activate storm of fire and have bad luck despite OATH being active The 6 remaining hellblasters don't roll many sustained hits but I get 12 total wounds through He fails MOST of them and the LT and his master crafted bolt rifle get 2 sustained hits and 3 total wounds to finish off Vahl He is ready to concede at this point but we agree to go 1 more turn b/c he needs to practice how to come back (opponent is a friend and scrimmage partner. We used to be on the same team but he does RL events and I am all digital). In addition to the hellblasters I pushed up ALL my vehicles aggressively Combined predator fire drops a castigator on the left flank Turn 2B He pushes up aggressively with the last tool he has....celestine and flamers He also advances and uses strat to disembark his SB dominions to kill my jump AIs I rapid ingress bjorn into the giant hole he left in the top right...I was hoping to bring bjorn in next to my predator originally but he pushed his dominions far up He shoots with celestine and friends first to wipe out HBs I tell him that was a major mistake in activation sequence....5/6 HB fire on death and wipe out the dominion squad This saves my jump AI from taking any damage The far right predator eats a miracle melta and small arms fire but survives with 2 wounds LRR eats a melta at close range and is down to 7 remaining wounds Turn 3A I draw cleanse + marked for death He picks the immolator on far right + 2 units on his home objective He wants me to leave celestine alone I oath the immolator and will do what he wants...the melta guns on his tanks are the last thing I have to fear I activate assault doctrine and run both AI squads into the middle...full rerolls to wound against his tanks Assault intercessors melee + predator + bjorn shooting wipe out all his seraphim leaving celestine alone Captain vehement with no buffs other than his enhancement and super saiyan finest hour smashes the immolator (10 S10 attacks rerolling full wounds v T10 tank) Ragnar gets lance + AP and singlehandedly smashes the castigator Everything basically goes right for me and he concedes 1 immolator remaining but it is boxed in b/c scouts We talk the remaining turns out and go over mistakes in the game FINAL 91-39 SW victory!!! I was nervous as hell when I lost 3/9 Hellblasters to overwatch but the RNG balanced out Every unit I added did what I expected it to do On to round 2...and will see how I fare against non sister lists Apokalypsi, Karhedron, Lord Ragnarok and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6052328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpwyrm Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 Well this is a very interesting take on Gladius! Personally, I'm partial to Vindicators since those guys served me so well in the past. Looking at your game and how well the HB Bomb worked out even after taking casualties makes it quite enticing to try it myself. My regular opponent plays sisters, but with a pressure heavy, mass Walkers list. LRR and HB should do well against those. Playing RG so I think I'll give Shrike+VV a second chance with access to Lance and +1 AP, this might actually make them work. TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6053767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 2 hours ago, jpwyrm said: Well this is a very interesting take on Gladius! Personally, I'm partial to Vindicators since those guys served me so well in the past. Looking at your game and how well the HB Bomb worked out even after taking casualties makes it quite enticing to try it myself. My regular opponent plays sisters, but with a pressure heavy, mass Walkers list. LRR and HB should do well against those. Playing RG so I think I'll give Shrike+VV a second chance with access to Lance and +1 AP, this might actually make them work. I have a vindicator variant but limited free time. It is the next thing I plan to test. I am in round 3 of Pod 5 with Hounds variant and round 2 of Pod 6 with Bjorn variant (game scheduled sun morning v Custodes) When these events conclude I'll enter the vindicator variant jpwyrm 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6053775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 T5S2 Pod 5 Round 2 v Blood Angels Mission D4 Scorched earth Swift action Tipping point My list (Hounds of Morkai variant) Spoiler +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + FACTION KEYWORD: Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves + DETACHMENT: Gladius Task Force + TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 2000pts + ALLIED UNITS: Agents of the Imperium + + WARLORD: Char3: Lieutenant in Phobos Armour + ENHANCEMENT: The Honour Vehement (on Char1: Judiciar) & Fire Discipline (on Char2: Lieutenant) + NUMBER OF UNITS: 17 + SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (4x2) + (1x4) - Assassination: 6 Characters +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Char1: 1x Judiciar (85 pts): Absolver Bolt Pistol, Executioner Relic Blade Enhancement: The Honour Vehement (+15 pts) Char2: 1x Lieutenant (95 pts): Power Fist, Heavy Bolt Pistol, Master-crafted Bolt Rifle Enhancement: Fire Discipline (+30 pts) Char3: 1x Lieutenant in Phobos Armour (55 pts): Warlord, Bolt Pistol, Master-crafted Scoped Bolt Carbine, Paired Combat Blades Char4: 1x Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (70 pts): Combi-weapon, Paired Combat Blades Char5: 1x Ragnar Blackmane (90 pts): Bolt Pistol, Frostfang Char6: 1x Callidus Assassin (100 pts): Neural shredder, Phase sword and poison blades 5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75 pts) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist • 4x Assault Intercessors: 4 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75 pts) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist • 4x Assault Intercessors: 4 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 9x Hellblaster Squad (230 pts) • 8x Hellblaster: 8 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Plasma Incinerator • 1x Hellblaster Sergeant: Close Combat Weapon, Plasma Incinerator, Bolt Pistol 10x Hounds of Morkai (180 pts): 10 with Morkai bolt pistol, Morkai combat knife 5x Infiltrator Squad (100 pts): Helix Gauntlet, Infiltrator Comms Array • 1x Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine • 4x Infiltrators: 4 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine 3x Thunderwolf Cavalry (100 pts): 3 with Storm shield, Crushing teeth and claws, Heirloom weapon 1x Drop Pod (70 pts): Storm Bolter 1x Land Raider Redeemer (285 pts): Armoured Tracks, 2x Flamestorm Cannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Multi-melta, Storm Bolter, Twin Assault Cannon 1x Predator Destructor (130 pts): Armoured Tracks, Hunter Killer Missile, Predator Autocannon, Storm Bolter, 2x Lascannon 1x Predator Destructor (130 pts): Armoured Tracks, Hunter Killer Missile, Predator Autocannon, Storm Bolter, 2x Lascannon 1x Predator Destructor (130 pts): Armoured Tracks, Hunter Killer Missile, Predator Autocannon, Storm Bolter, 2x Lascannon His list Spoiler If you're having damage problems I feel bad for you son, I've got 99 problems but power fists ain't one. +++ I like fists. (Warhammer 40,000 10th Edition) [2,000pts] +++ ++ Army Roster (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Blood Angels) ++ + Configuration + Battle Size: 2. Strike Force (2000 Point limit) Detachment: Sons of Sanguinius Show/Hide Options: Agents of the Imperium are visible + Epic Hero + Lemartes The Sanguinor + Character + Captain with Jump Pack: Warlord . Melee and Pistol: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist Sanguinary Priest with Jump Pack + Battleline + Intercessor Squad: Astartes Grenade Launcher . Intercessor Sergeant: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist . 4x Intercessors: 4x Bolt Pistol, 4x Bolt Rifle, 4x Close Combat Weapon + Infantry + Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs . Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist . 3x Assault Intercessors with Jump Pack: 3x Astartes Chainsword, 3x Heavy Bolt Pistol . Assault Intercessors with Jump Pack w/ Plasma Pistol Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs . Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist . 3x Assault Intercessors with Jump Pack: 3x Astartes Chainsword, 3x Heavy Bolt Pistol . Assault Intercessors with Jump Pack w/ Plasma Pistol Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs . Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist . 3x Assault Intercessors with Jump Pack: 3x Astartes Chainsword, 3x Heavy Bolt Pistol . Assault Intercessors with Jump Pack w/ Plasma Pistol Death Company Marines with Jump Packs . Death Company Marine . . Melee weapon and pistol: Inferno Pistol, Power Fist . Death Company Marine . . Melee weapon and pistol: Inferno Pistol, Power Fist . Death Company Marine . . Melee weapon and pistol: Inferno Pistol, Power Fist . Death Company Marine . . Melee weapon and pistol: Inferno Pistol, Power Fist . Death Company Marine . . Melee weapon and pistol: Inferno Pistol, Power Fist . Death Company Marine . . Melee weapon and pistol: Inferno Pistol, Power Fist . Death Company Marine . . Melee weapon and pistol: Inferno Pistol, Power Fist . Death Company Marine . . Melee weapon and pistol: Inferno Pistol, Power Fist . Death Company Marine . . Melee weapon and pistol: Inferno Pistol, Power Fist . Death Company Marine . . Melee weapon and pistol: Inferno Pistol, Power Fist Death Company Marines with Jump Packs . Death Company Marine . . Melee weapon and pistol: Inferno Pistol, Power Fist . Death Company Marine . . Melee weapon and pistol: Inferno Pistol, Power Fist . Death Company Marine . . Melee weapon and pistol: Inferno Pistol, Power Fist . Death Company Marine . . Melee weapon and pistol: Inferno Pistol, Power Fist . Death Company Marine . . Melee weapon and pistol: Inferno Pistol, Power Fist Infiltrator Squad: Helix Gauntlet, Infiltrator Comms Array . Infiltrator Sergeant . 4x Infiltrators: 4x Bolt Pistol, 4x Close Combat Weapon, 4x Marksman Bolt Carbine Sanguinary Guard: Sanguinary Banner . Sanguinary Guard: Inferno Pistol . Sanguinary Guard: Inferno Pistol . Sanguinary Guard: Inferno Pistol . Sanguinary Guard: Inferno Pistol . Sanguinary Guard: Inferno Pistol . Sanguinary Guard: Inferno Pistol . Sanguinary Guard: Inferno Pistol . Sanguinary Guard: Inferno Pistol . Sanguinary Guard with Power Fist: Inferno Pistol . Sanguinary Guard with Power Fist: Inferno Pistol Scout Squad . Scout Sergeant: Astartes Chainsword . Scout w/ Heavy Weapon: Missile Launcher . Scout w/ Scout Sniper Rifle . 2x Scouts w/ Combat Knife: 2x Bolt Pistol, 2x Close Combat Weapon, 2x Combat Knife Scout Squad . Scout Sergeant: Astartes Chainsword . Scout w/ Heavy Weapon: Missile Launcher . Scout w/ Scout Sniper Rifle . 2x Scouts w/ Combat Knife: 2x Bolt Pistol, 2x Close Combat Weapon, 2x Combat Knife Scout Squad . Scout Sergeant: Astartes Chainsword . Scout w/ Heavy Weapon: Missile Launcher . Scout w/ Scout Sniper Rifle . 2x Scouts w/ Combat Knife: 2x Bolt Pistol, 2x Close Combat Weapon, 2x Combat Knife Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs . Vanguard Veteran Sergeant with Jump Pack: Storm Shield . Vanguard Veterans with Jump Packs: Storm Shield . Vanguard Veterans with Jump Packs: Storm Shield . Vanguard Veterans with Jump Packs: Storm Shield . Vanguard Veterans with Jump Packs: Storm Shield . Vanguard Veterans with Jump Packs: Storm Shield . Vanguard Veterans with Jump Packs: Storm Shield . Vanguard Veterans with Jump Packs: Storm Shield . Vanguard Veterans with Jump Packs: Storm Shield . Vanguard Veterans with Jump Packs: Storm Shield Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net) Pre game + Deployment He has no long range anti tank. My vehicles should be fairly safe doing whatever they want on this map I just need to avoid his charges I put hellbomb and hounds in reserve He puts sanguinor and Lemartes + big DC in reserve I win the roll for deployment and shove my infiltrators mid board. I don't want to be put in scout jail I fan out with predators on the left and middle LRR middle TWC right side to push up He deploys aggressively on the flanks His sang guard on left His VV on right Turn 1A He wins the roll for first turn He draws area denial and cleanse and oaths my infiltrators He pushes up aggressively with middle jump AI and shoots then charges infiltrators He kills them all and spends CP to go 6” and tie up predator and move block me from the middle I was hoping infiltrators would live and then hop back into my LRR. That would let me charge and screen out his sanguinor counter. Need to play more careful now Scouts on left and right flanks perform cleanse Turn 1B I draw Behind enemy lines and overwhelming force I push middle predator up and left onto the point next to scouts but it fails shooting and 2 scouts live I am forced to charge in and tank shock but get 5 mortals and wipe the squad I need to be aggressive and clear his screening chaff so my hellbomb has room to drop later in the game LRR flames middle and kills all the jump AI TWC on right side move up charge and kill oathed scouts then consolidate onto the point to deny primary *I hate TWC jail lists but having a small utility unit has proven effective after testing I get 5 for overwhelming force and toss Behind for CP Turn 2A Draws marked for death (ignored it b/c my combi LT and callidus in rear + LRR are unkillable) and sabotage Pushes up hard on right flank to make sure my TWC die 5 man DC and 5 man jump AI move in for kill VV brick follows behind them to sabotage Left flank the last jump AI pushes in to take objective and kill predator I decide to rapid ingress my hounds on the right flank. The wall blocking LOS makes it hard to do my normal pop out and charge trick...so I need this to get in close I bring them in at 12.1" so they are safe from a random charge He manages to kill my TWC and predator units with no stress Turn 2B Before my turn I pick up the callidus. He left me a huge hole in the middle I draw secure no mans and no prisoners I have a small DC and 2 AI units I should be able to kill I need to clear his right flank but don't want his damn VV heroic intervening into me....I oath them and will fight on death if he comes in Left predator drives up to touch objective while middle predator draws LOS to kill the left jump AI off while pulling back safely out of charge range LRR pushes up and barely gets on objective while having 12" range to far right jump AI Hounds walk up 6 and prepare for mop up duty Rest of my movement is to push back his potential rapid ingress with Lemartes and DC brick I do a decent job and he brings it in left side to go after the LRR If he wants me he has to eat overwatch first Shooting kills both jump AI no problem Hounds manage to battleshock the VV brick after shooting and deny the HI However...Hounds whiff into DC with melee and 2 survive (crap!) I realize I have gone another turn not using any doctrines...oh well Turn 3A He draws Assassinate and Extend (doh...just fed him my callidus) DC kill callidus with inferno pistols and charge LRR I overwatch and kill 4 (this is scary because Lemartes reduces dmg by 1...but I land a MM and a few other small arms fire and it all adds up) I use AOC in melee and take 6 wounds only Sang guard move up and kill left predator in melee VV move up and kill hounds on right side He has gone all in...can I punish him for it? Turn 3B Storm hostile + defend stronghold Meh...focus is on killing not secondaries ACTIVATE DEVASTATOR DOCTRINE!!! I place oath on the sang guard and drop my hell bomb bottom left corner I roll real bad for hits and only get 6 sustained I get lucky on wounds and he has to make 19 5+ saves after storm of fire + overcharge plasma I smoke the entire sang guard + captain and lose 1 HB to hazardous I place LRR into tactical doctrine so it can back off and shoot Predator drives onto the left objective and maintains LOS to add firepower to the party (it whiffs on the Lemartes squad and kills a single DC) LRR fires HK and 2MM at 2 surviving DC the hounds failed to kill and everything else at Lemartes and DC Kills all DC leaving Lemartes alive I have no CP for a tank shock and am scared to charge in...I want to be free to overwatch and flame I chicken out and don't charge in I score storm hostile thanks to Predator on left but defend stronghold is in danger He uses rapid ingress to bring Sanguinor near my home objective I decide NOT to chuck it for a CP...I want his sanguinor to kill a single combi LT instead of going after my hellblasters or something else Turn 4A Game is getting intense and I forgot to take any notes or get a screenshot Lemartes runs away to the left objective and nades my predator but fails charge VV brick jumps back and hides behind wall on right side Sanguinor massacres the combi LT on my home objective and denies defend stronghold Turn 4B The game is REAL close still I draw cleanse and keep defend I activate ASSAULT DOCTRINE I have to remove his gdamn sanguinor but he fights first. I send in ragnar and dedicate 2 CP for fights on death I get lucky and 1 AI survives Ragnar + friends kill Sanguinor and retake my home objective LRR moves up after dropping off Ragnar. LRR cleanses while the judiciar hops out to charge enemy home objective (6" away) I roll a 6 for hellblaster advance and they get LOS on Lemartes. If they fail to shoot him they will charge in They plasma the bejesus out of him Predator drives up and cleanses left objective now that I know hellblasters can clear Lemartes Judiciar makes the charge but the nearby intercessors HI and try to stop me from stealing the home objective I put 2 judiciar attacks into infiltrators on the objective and everyone else into intercessors I only kill 3/5 intercessors (AOC saved him from the PF and Judiciar swings) I lose 2 AI in his swing backs Uh oh...I didn't take it from him Turn 5A He draws Containment +Engage Gets baby engage and 2 contaminants But it requires him to leave scouts in corner and not harass Ragnar....so I score DEFEND STRONGHOLD Judiciar kills off infiltrators but 1 intercessor lives The good news is I take his home obj away Turn 5B I am able to burn his home objective with my Judiciar b/c the special mission is SWIFT ACTION and my AI can fall back and do an action The score is 77-71 before I draw my secondaries I draw Area denial + Locus LRR is in the middle and does both of them for me FINAL 78-77 SW VICTORY!!! Gdamn nailbiter of a finish but I pulled it off This list is now 2-0 (round 1 I faced Ksons but he just conceded b/c I have hounds and he had a busy schedule so it wasn't worth playing...I had just done a scrimmage against Ksons before entering the list and won so I figure its all even) Rune Priest Jbickb 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6053776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 Wow are the hounds so good versus KSons that a concede is worth it? Karhedron and TiguriusX 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6053796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 3 hours ago, Rune Priest Jbickb said: Wow are the hounds so good versus KSons that a concede is worth it? Depends on the player But yes...Hounds of Morkai are a hard counter to basically everything in their list Hounds will 1 shot Magnus without breaking a sweat The Ksons can potentially overwatch and torrent the hounds to death with arcane vortex (if they don't battleshock due to Hounds howl ability)...but predators and a hellbomb cut through rubrics like a hot knife through butter. So they trade their 2nd best unit in the process It is a very favorable matchup for my list Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6053804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted August 4 Author Share Posted August 4 T5S2 Pod 6 Round 2 v Custodes Mission E7 Take & Hold Prepared Positions Hammer & Anvil My list (Prime variant with Bjorn) Spoiler We measure ourselves against the Adeptus Sororitas Nothing else matters +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + FACTION KEYWORD: Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves + DETACHMENT: Gladius Task Force + TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 2000pts + ALLIED UNITS: Agents of the Imperium + + WARLORD: Char4: Bjorn the Fell-Handed + ENHANCEMENT: The Honour Vehement (on Char1: Captain) & Fire Discipline (on Char2: Lieutenant) + NUMBER OF UNITS: 17 + SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (5x2) + (1x4) - Assassination: 6 Characters +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Char1: 1x Captain (95 pts): Power Fist, Plasma Pistol Enhancement: The Honour Vehement (+15 pts) Char2: 1x Lieutenant (95 pts): Power Fist, Heavy Bolt Pistol, Master-crafted Bolt Rifle Enhancement: Fire Discipline (+30 pts) Char3: 1x Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (70 pts): Combi-weapon, Paired Combat Blades Char4: 1x Bjorn the Fell-Handed (180 pts): Warlord, Heavy Flamer, Trueclaw, Twin lascannon Char5: 1x Ragnar Blackmane (90 pts): Bolt Pistol, Frostfang Char6: 1x Callidus Assassin (100 pts): Neural shredder, Phase sword and poison blades 5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75 pts) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist • 4x Assault Intercessors: 4 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75 pts) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist • 4x Assault Intercessors: 4 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 5x Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (80 pts) • 4x Assault Intercessors with Jump Pack 3 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 1 with Astartes Chainsword, Plasma Pistol • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist 9x Hellblaster Squad (230 pts) • 8x Hellblaster: 8 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Plasma Incinerator • 1x Hellblaster Sergeant: Close Combat Weapon, Plasma Incinerator, Bolt Pistol 5x Infiltrator Squad (100 pts): Helix Gauntlet, Infiltrator Comms Array • 1x Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine • 4x Infiltrators: 4 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine 5x Scout Squad (65 pts) • 2x Scout 1 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Missile Launcher 1 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Scout Sniper Rifle • 1x Scout Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Astartes Chainsword • 2x Scouts: 2 with Astartes Shotgun, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon 1x Drop Pod (70 pts): Storm Bolter 1x Land Raider Redeemer (285 pts): Armoured Tracks, 2x Flamestorm Cannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Multi-melta, Storm Bolter, Twin Assault Cannon 1x Predator Destructor (130 pts): Armoured Tracks, Hunter Killer Missile, Predator Autocannon, Storm Bolter, 2x Lascannon 1x Predator Destructor (130 pts): Armoured Tracks, Hunter Killer Missile, Predator Autocannon, Storm Bolter, 2x Lascannon 1x Predator Destructor (130 pts): Armoured Tracks, Hunter Killer Missile, Predator Autocannon, Storm Bolter, 2x Lascannon His list (Custodes) Spoiler + FACTION KEYWORD: Imperium - Adeptus Custodes + DETACHMENT: Shield Host + TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 2000pts + ALLIED UNITS: Agents of the Imperium CHARACTER 1x Blade Champion (125 pts) • 1x Vaultswords • Auric Mantle (+15 pts) 1x Blade Champion (110 pts) • 1x Vaultswords 1x Shield-Captain in Allarus Terminator Armour (165 pts) • 1x Balistus grenade launcher • 1x Castellan Axe • Warlord • From the Hall of Armouries (+25 pts) 1x Callidus Assassin (100 pts) • 1x Neural shredder • 1x Phase sword and poison blades BATTLELINE 4x Custodian Guard (180 pts) • 4x Custodian Guard (Guardian Spear) • 4x Guardian Spear OTHER DATASHEETS 3x Allarus Custodians (195 pts) • 3x Allarus Custodian (Guardian Spear) • 3x Balistus grenade launcher • 3x Guardian Spear 4x Custodian Wardens (200 pts) • 3x Custodian Warden (Guardian Spear) • 3x Guardian Spear • 1x Custodian Warden • 1x Guardian Spear • Vexilla 3x Venatari Custodians (165 pts) • 3x Venatari Custodian (Venatari lance) • 3x Venatari lance 3x Venatari Custodians (165 pts) • 3x Venatari Custodian (Venatari lance) • 3x Venatari lance 3x Venatari Custodians (165 pts) • 3x Venatari Custodian (Venatari lance) • 3x Venatari lance 1x Telemon Heavy Dreadnought (215 pts) • 1x Armoured feet • 1x Spiculus bolt launcher • 2x Arachnus storm cannon 1x Telemon Heavy Dreadnought (215 pts) • 1x Armoured feet • 1x Spiculus bolt launcher • 1x Arachnus storm cannon • 1x Telemon Caestus & twin plasma projector Pregame + Deployment He doesn't have scary anti tank shooting but there are lots of walls for him to stage behind He will mow down any infantry he sees with all those storm cannons His list also has insane rapid ingress so I need to zone him out and keep him in front of me He wins roll and deploys first I put hellbomb in reserve Ragnar in LRR and Captain on the table (I do this to get extra drops so I can deploy better) He puts 3 venatari and guard + champ in reserve I put scouts and callidus on my rear flanks to keep him from dropping in. I can rapidly redeploy them after turn 3 as needed Infiltrators top left to sit behind a wall Predators fan out to get LOS as targets present themselves LRR right side to push up Bjorn middle with jump AI as reaction force Turn 1A I win the roll and go first I pick right side for the combi LT reroll...if he tries to come at me using that wall I want it to be deadly when I crack back I am tempted to drop hell bomb on left and go after his dread...he reminds me he has damage -1 Thats not good....I can only do like 5 or 6 wounds to his damn dread then got shot to hell in return I go with plan B and use no doctrines and move up slowly instead I draw engage and extend battle lines Infiltrators move up to 1" from the wall and touch objective LRR drives up and touches objective Left Predator gets LOS but only does 4 total damage to telemon I toss engage for a CP Turn 1B He picks up Callidus and terminators and tells me they will drop in turn 1 Holy crap I was NOT expecting that level of aggression and left a tiny hole for his callidus He draws engage and no prisoners The damaged telemon on right side runs away and hides Left side telemon moves up to steal objective from me and fire at LRR doing 1 dev wound His Callidus puts 3 dmg on my callidus but fails charge...phew...almost died there Terminators make their 9" charge and kill all jump AI and put 3 wounds on Bjorn Bjorn is obviously super pissed off and kills 2 terminators in swing back Turn Turn 2A I draw contain and sabotage I weigh my options and decide to go into kill mode The infiltrators on left do a baby contain while everything else will focus on attacking or zoning out his rapid ingress I activate DEV DOCTRINE and oath his telemon on left I get 1 predators + LRR lined up on the telemon I drop in the hellblasters as well I put the Captain against the wall to move block his potential rapid ingress and charge I move right side predator + scouts and combi LT towards callidus to deal with it Left predator lines up shots on the terminators next to Bjorn Bjorn gets placed into tactical doctrine to fall back and then charge in after firing He brings in EVERYTHING with rapid ingress 3 venatari + warden brick 2 hunter killers and 2 lascannons into my oathed telemon do a grand total of 0 damage (he made every 4++) Hellblasters manage to put 6 wounds on...that was a disaster I kill callidus and all the terminators except captain with shooting...captain has 4 wounds Bjorn charges and does 0 tank shock damage (I do 3 damage so needed to chip off 1 more) Captain survives with 1 gdamn wound after making his saves and hits Bjorn for 4 damage after FNPs Turn 2B He draws marked and recover assets I mark callidus combi LT and leftside predator His rear telemon goes to stand on his home objective The rest of his army pushes in hard 2 venatari come at me on the right side warden brick pushes in to middle with the last venatari custodians advance and go after infiltrators on the left flank He has used all his advance + charge abilities up He falls back from Bjorn and spends 2 CP (vect tax) to fall back and charge with his 1 wound captain After debating whether he should risk a 10" charge into predator and try to score marked for death he just goes after Bjorn Telemon puts a few wounds onto LRR then charges into Bjorn along with the captain His ground troops come pouring in and wipe out everything I have in the middle 2 squads of venatari manage to multi charge captain + LRR I have 2 CP so he has to choose what he does carefully. He starts with venatari on far right and puts everything into captain Captain uses finest hour for 1 CP thanks to rites of battle and fights on death I am forced to split my attacks b/c I was spread out blocking the wall. Captain + PF + 1 AI kill an entire squad The remaining 3 AI put enough chainswords through to kill 1 venatari from the unactivated squad. They reduce the attacks my LRR has to survive by 5. He barely puts a dent into LRR with his 2 modelsGood job Captain and AI!! Your sacrifice was worth it and I hold the point and can keep flaming away He activates captain with 1 wound and tries to kill Bjorn I use my last CP to AoC and only take 2 damage Bjorn kills captain in swing back and ignores the telemon for now I lose hellblasters + DP + infiltrators + captain and AI that turn Bad news for him is the LRR and Bjorn survive Turn 3A I start to pull callidus but he tells me marked for death will score...I leave her on the field I pull scouts instead and bring them back to form a picket line in front of predator and keep it safe from a charge I draw secure no man land + Area denial He has half his army in the middle...area denial is denied and will just give me a CP I decide to oath his guard on the left and focus them down with 2 predators LRR and right predator line up on as many targets as possible Ragnar + friends hop out to kill 2 venatari hugging the LRR...the goal is to hop right back in after using squad tactics as a reactive move I use NO doctrine b/c nothing is needed In the shooting phase I ask if he wants to use his once per game Warden FNP He activates it...that means I will ignore them and shoot my guns at everything else 2 predators go crazy and I use storm of fire with the 2nd to kill all his guard on the left...the blade champion survives though Predator autocannon with storm of fire means AP2 and forces him on his 4++....3 damage means every fail is a dead custodes....it was good shooting Bjorn fires and swings away in melee but fails to put down the gdamn telemon LRR and predator combine to finish off the 3 man venatari squad leaving wardens alone in the middle Ragnar charges in and fails to kill 2 venataari...the survivor kills 3 AI in return and leaves LRR tied up CRAP!!! Now I can't overwatch the vulnerable wardens Turn 3B He draws secure no man’s land + keeps marked He is happy keeping my callidus pinned down He walks wardens up and then falls back with venatari behind the wall I squad tactics Ragnar back into the LRR He charges out with venatari and prevents overwatch Wardens charge in after I use AOC and survive all his melee His blade champ on the left runs away and hides behind a wall but stays on objective Turn 4A I once again leave callidus in place I draw behind enemy lines + no prisoners I'm fine with her not being able to uppy downy b/c it is preventing him from scoring any secondaries I actually hold onto behind enemy lines b/c it forces him to keep marked or I will move callidus I activate TACTICAL doctrine so the LRR can fall back I auto pass morale so I only die on a 1 or 2 when I fall back (I roll a 3) I put oath on his wardens and line up 2 predators + LRR to shoot Ragnar hops out and prepares to try and kill venatari again Predators go crazy wipe out his troops on right with ease LRR flams venatari and Ragnar has nothing to do and is sad Scouts advance but are 1" short of touching objective Bjorn makes charge into the blade champ however he fails to kill and dies from swing back...this gives him control over the objective...doh Turn 4B He draws overwhelming force and recycles it into area denial and keeps marked again Blade champ wipes out scouts and his telemon walks up and drops LRR to 2 wounds remaining Turn 5A I draw defend stronghold and spend CP to recycle Behind into assassinate I have to go after the blade champ and only have 1 option LRR passes battle shock and survives a scary as hell overwatch to flame blade champ to death and secure assassination Meanwhile I activate assault doctrine and line up predators on his telemon Ragnar hops out and advances nearby as well Predators do 0 dmg and Ragnar decides he is will just staring at the telemon Turn 5B He draws sabotage and storm hostile He kills the LRR and steps on objective FINAL 73-66 SW victory!!! This list is now 2-0 as well Bjorn put in some work this game and the predators went nuts They are here to kill high wound infantry and got to show off today They wiped out custodians + wardens with a gdamn predator autocannon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6053924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpwyrm Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 Yikes! -1 dmg is a hard counter to the hellblaster bomb! An the Redeemer's flame canon too now that I think about it. Still, you managed to push through and score high enough for the Win. Predator Autocanon are a sleeper weapon IMO. For the cost, they can wreck an opponent's plan big time if they underestimate it's efficiency. TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6054208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 1 hour ago, jpwyrm said: Yikes! -1 dmg is a hard counter to the hellblaster bomb! An the Redeemer's flame canon too now that I think about it. Still, you managed to push through and score high enough for the Win. Predator Autocanon are a sleeper weapon IMO. For the cost, they can wreck an opponent's plan big time if they underestimate it's efficiency. Every combo has pros and cons I loved aggressor bomb bc 1 dmg wasn't hurt by these types of defensive tools But there are games where the AP makes a difference and performs better. For example..in a scrimmage when I tested vindicator list my hellbomb killed Canis Rex turn 1 and then shot a few 2+ save katellan robots on follow up turns where the AP was a big deal In fact...my next game is against iron storm with 2 vindicators and 2 repulsor executioners Predators not gonna be ideal there and gonna need the hellbomb AP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6054255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted August 9 Author Share Posted August 9 (edited) Got absolutely smoked by iron storm BA. If you want the full batrep I can do it. 33-100 SW loss He went first and was only able to get 1 vindicator LOS on my vehicles I failed 5/5 4+ saves with LRR v vindicator and he rolled exactly 16 damage to pop me. That absolutely destroyed my midfield plan to deal with his dreads. In a subsequent turn he got his long charge into my HB with his dread and slaughtered my best anti tank unit that was hidden from guns Meanwhile my predators bounced off his smoked/AOC vindicator and did 0 dmg Game exposed a flaw in my list. My predators can't handle that type of vehicle skew well I think my vindicator list would have had much better odds Edited August 9 by TiguriusX jpwyrm 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6055129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted August 11 Author Share Posted August 11 (edited) T5S2 Pod 5 Round 3 v Chaos Demons Mission B8 Purge Smoke & mirrors Tipping point His list +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + FACTION KEYWORD: Chaos - Chaos Daemons + DETACHMENT: Daemonic Incursion (Warp Rifts) + TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 2000pts + + WARLORD: Char4: Kairos Fateweaver + ENHANCEMENT: A'rgath, the King of Blades (on Char1: Bloodthirster) & The Endless Gift (on Char2: Great Unclean One) & The Everstave (on Char3: Lord of Change) + NUMBER OF UNITS: 11 + SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (2x4) + (3x6) - Assassination: 5 Characters +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Char1: 1x Bloodthirster (325 pts): Hellfire breath, Great axe of Khorne Enhancement: A'rgath, the King of Blades (+20 pts) Char2: 1x Great Unclean One (260 pts): Putrid vomit, Bilesword, Plague flail Enhancement: The Endless Gift (+30 pts) Char3: 1x Lord of Change (285 pts): Bolt of Change, Staff of Tzeentch Enhancement: The Everstave (+25 pts) Char4: 1x Kairos Fateweaver (270 pts): Warlord, Infernal Gateway, Staff of Tomorrow Char5: 1x Rotigus (230 pts): Gnarlrod, Streams of brackish filth 10x Daemonettes (100 pts): 10 with Slashing claws 3x Nurglings (40 pts): 3 with Diseased claws and teeth 3x Nurglings (40 pts): 3 with Diseased claws and teeth 6x Flamers (150 pts): 6 with Flamer mouths, Flickering Flames 6x Flamers (150 pts): 6 with Flamer mouths, Flickering Flames 6x Flamers (150 pts): 6 with Flamer mouths, Flickering Flames My list (Hounds of Morkai variant) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + FACTION KEYWORD: Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves + DETACHMENT: Gladius Task Force + TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 2000pts + ALLIED UNITS: Agents of the Imperium + + WARLORD: Char3: Lieutenant in Phobos Armour + ENHANCEMENT: The Honour Vehement (on Char1: Judiciar) & Fire Discipline (on Char2: Lieutenant) + NUMBER OF UNITS: 17 + SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (4x2) + (1x4) - Assassination: 6 Characters +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Char1: 1x Judiciar (85 pts): Absolver Bolt Pistol, Executioner Relic Blade Enhancement: The Honour Vehement (+15 pts) Char2: 1x Lieutenant (95 pts): Power Fist, Heavy Bolt Pistol, Master-crafted Bolt Rifle Enhancement: Fire Discipline (+30 pts) Char3: 1x Lieutenant in Phobos Armour (55 pts): Warlord, Bolt Pistol, Master-crafted Scoped Bolt Carbine, Paired Combat Blades Char4: 1x Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (70 pts): Combi-weapon, Paired Combat Blades Char5: 1x Ragnar Blackmane (90 pts): Bolt Pistol, Frostfang Char6: 1x Callidus Assassin (100 pts): Neural shredder, Phase sword and poison blades 5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75 pts) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist • 4x Assault Intercessors: 4 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75 pts) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist • 4x Assault Intercessors: 4 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 9x Hellblaster Squad (230 pts) • 8x Hellblaster: 8 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Plasma Incinerator • 1x Hellblaster Sergeant: Close Combat Weapon, Plasma Incinerator, Bolt Pistol 10x Hounds of Morkai (180 pts): 10 with Morkai bolt pistol, Morkai combat knife 5x Infiltrator Squad (100 pts): Helix Gauntlet, Infiltrator Comms Array • 1x Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine • 4x Infiltrators: 4 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine 3x Thunderwolf Cavalry (100 pts): 3 with Storm shield, Crushing teeth and claws, Heirloom weapon 1x Drop Pod (70 pts): Storm Bolter 1x Land Raider Redeemer (285 pts): Armoured Tracks, 2x Flamestorm Cannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Multi-melta, Storm Bolter, Twin Assault Cannon 1x Predator Destructor (130 pts): Armoured Tracks, Hunter Killer Missile, Predator Autocannon, Storm Bolter, 2x Lascannon 1x Predator Destructor (130 pts): Armoured Tracks, Hunter Killer Missile, Predator Autocannon, Storm Bolter, 2x Lascannon 1x Predator Destructor (130 pts): Armoured Tracks, Hunter Killer Missile, Predator Autocannon, Storm Bolter, 2x Lascannon I do NOT have my normal batrep here b/c I was on stream and on a clock However...the video is available from the Tactical Tortoise twitch if you are curious Crazy dice game and I had like 2 seconds remaining when turn 5 started https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2221623512 *game has been uploaded to YouTube as well Nailbiter but it was a SW victory in the end I am now 3-0 and in the finals Round 4 will be against Thousand Sons Edited August 15 by TiguriusX jpwyrm and Apokalypsi 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6055523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpwyrm Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 What better way of testing this list than in a final against Thousand Sons. Congrats! And good luck for the finals! TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6056172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Opened twitch today and saw the Predators and LRR and immediately knew you were playing before I saw the names/scoreboard lol Good luck bud! TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6057645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted August 18 Author Share Posted August 18 Opened twitch today and saw the Predators and LRR and immediately knew you were playing before I saw the names/scoreboard lol Good luck bud! It was ugly and bad Going 1st sealed the outcome That specific map strips away my range advantage and I was at his mercy...double moves and indirect erased my infantry I finished 3-1 in this event On to the vindicator versions Kassill and jpwyrm 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6057656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted August 24 Author Share Posted August 24 (edited) I put the vindicator list into an online GT Pariah Perils GT Round 1 v GK Map/Mission E7 Vindicator list (2xVindicators + 1 Predator...downgraded 3rd vindicator so I could afford 2nd scout unit for utility) Gladius Wolves are best Wolves X gonna give it to ya +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + FACTION KEYWORD: Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves + DETACHMENT: Gladius Task Force + TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 1995pts + ALLIED UNITS: Agents of the Imperium + + WARLORD: Char1: Judiciar + ENHANCEMENT: The Honour Vehement (on Char1: Judiciar) & Fire Discipline (on Char2: Lieutenant) & Artificer Armour (on Char3: Lieutenant with Combi-weapon) + NUMBER OF UNITS: 17 + SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (4x2) + (1x4) - Assassination: 5 Characters +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Char1: 1x Judiciar (85 pts): Warlord, Absolver Bolt Pistol, Executioner Relic Blade Enhancement: The Honour Vehement (+15 pts) Char2: 1x Lieutenant (95 pts): Power Fist, Heavy Bolt Pistol, Master-crafted Bolt Rifle Enhancement: Fire Discipline (+30 pts) Char3: 1x Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (80 pts): Combi-weapon, Paired Combat Blades Enhancement: Artificer Armour (+10 pts) Char4: 1x Ragnar Blackmane (90 pts): Bolt Pistol, Frostfang Char5: 1x Callidus Assassin (100 pts): Neural shredder, Phase sword and poison blades 5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75 pts) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist • 4x Assault Intercessors: 4 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75 pts) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist • 4x Assault Intercessors: 4 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 9x Hellblaster Squad (230 pts) • 8x Hellblaster: 8 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Plasma Incinerator • 1x Hellblaster Sergeant: Close Combat Weapon, Plasma Incinerator, Bolt Pistol 5x Infiltrator Squad (100 pts): Helix Gauntlet, Infiltrator Comms Array • 1x Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine • 4x Infiltrators: 4 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine 5x Scout Squad (65 pts) • 2x Scout 1 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Missile Launcher 1 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Scout Sniper Rifle • 1x Scout Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Astartes Chainsword • 2x Scouts: 2 with Astartes Shotgun, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon 5x Scout Squad (65 pts) • 2x Scout 1 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Missile Launcher 1 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Scout Sniper Rifle • 1x Scout Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Astartes Chainsword • 2x Scouts: 2 with Astartes Shotgun, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon 3x Thunderwolf Cavalry (100 pts): 3 with Storm shield, Crushing teeth and claws, Heirloom weapon 1x Drop Pod (70 pts): Storm Bolter 1x Land Raider Redeemer (285 pts): Armoured Tracks, 2x Flamestorm Cannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Multi-melta, Storm Bolter, Twin Assault Cannon 1x Predator Destructor (130 pts): Armoured Tracks, Hunter Killer Missile, Predator Autocannon, Storm Bolter, 2x Lascannon 1x Vindicator (175 pts): Armoured Tracks, Demolisher Cannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Storm Bolter 1x Vindicator (175 pts): Armoured Tracks, Demolisher Cannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Storm Bolter Grey Knights (Canis Rex + 5 nemesis dreadknights) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + FACTION KEYWORD: Imperium - Grey Knights + DETACHMENT: Teleport Strike Force + TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 1990pts + ALLIED UNITS: Agents of the Imperium & Imperial Knights + + WARLORD: Char2: Grand Master in Nemesis Dreadknight + ENHANCEMENT: Sigil of Exigence (on Char2: Grand Master in Nemesis Dreadknight) + NUMBER OF UNITS: 10 + SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (5x2) + (1x6) - Assassination: 4 Characters - Cull The Horde: 1x5 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CHARACTER 1x Brotherhood Librarian (120 pts) • 1x Nemesis Force Weapon • 1x Purge Soul • 1x Storm Bolter 1x Grand Master in Nemesis Dreadknight (240 pts) • 1x Nemesis Daemon Greathammer • 1x Heavy Incinerator • 1x Heavy Psycannon • Warlord • Sigil of Exigence (+30 pts) 1x Grand Master in Nemesis Dreadknight (210 pts) • 1x Nemesis Daemon Greathammer • 1x Heavy Incinerator • 1x Heavy Psycannon 1x Canis Rex (435 pts) • 1x Canis Rex • 1x Chainbreaker las-impulsor • 1x Chainbreaker multi-laser • 1x Freedom's Hand • 1x Sir Hekhtur • 1x Close combat weapon • 1x Hekhtur's pistol BATTLELINE 5x Strike Squad (120 pts) • 4x Grey Knight • 4x Nemesis Force Weapon • 4x Storm Bolter • 1x Justicar • 1x Nemesis Force Weapon • 1x Storm Bolter 5x Strike Squad (120 pts) • 4x Grey Knight • 4x Nemesis Force Weapon • 4x Storm Bolter • 1x Justicar • 1x Nemesis Force Weapon • 1x Storm Bolter OTHER DATASHEETS 5x Interceptor Squad (130 pts) • 4x Interceptor • 4x Nemesis Force Weapon • 4x Storm Bolter • 1x Justicar • 1x Nemesis Force Weapon • 1x Storm Bolter 1x Nemesis Dreadknight (205 pts) • 1x Nemesis Daemon Greathammer • 1x Heavy Incinerator • 1x Heavy Psycannon 1x Nemesis Dreadknight (205 pts) • 1x Nemesis Daemon Greathammer • 1x Heavy Incinerator • 1x Heavy Psycannon 1x Nemesis Dreadknight (205 pts) • 1x Nemesis Daemon Greathammer • 1x Heavy Incinerator • 1x Heavy Psycannon Pregame I decided pregame that his guns had low enough AP that he didn't scare the LRR or vindicators His melee threat could easily kill me though So I made his advance/charge super mobile NDK suits my main concern and Canis was second Batrep Wasn't able to do my normal screen shots and note taking b/c we played on a clock Best news was he won the roll to go 1st This would let me play defensively to knock down his primary knowing I had an easy 15 on turn 5 Turn 1 I drew assassinate and it ruined my pregame battle plans I dropped my hellblasters to kill a Grand master NDK instead of picking off one of the 3 advance + charge NDK The good news is he exploded when he died and put a bunch of wounds on the NDK next to him...and when he shot my hellblasters to death on his turn I fired on death and managed to kill a NDK so I was happy with the game state My opponent had trouble getting LOS/range on me all game. We had multiple turns where we didn't even shoot He exposed Canis Rex on top of turn 4 and I finally moved my vindactors out to shoot LRR + grenades from TWC + 1 vindicator managed to kill Canis Judiciar charged and finished Sir Hector as he tried to run away The extra unit of scouts was really useful screening my backfield. I had to prevent a 3" drop from a solo model librarian Infiltrators had huge denial bubbles on 1 flank and then I had scouts spread out blocking the other flank and didn't care if he shot them b/c I could return fire with vindicators Final 98-58 SW Victory!!! Early in the game he said "I hate those vindicators I don't want to move out" and I laughed and told him I was glad to hear that. The improved gun and killing power of the vindicator is the entire reason I made this list and swapped from the predators I have now played 3 straight matches on E7 and everyone complains about the map. The LOS and movement options are very awkward. This was the first game I put my LRR on the right flank and it seemed much better. I need to remember that for the future. Edited August 24 by TiguriusX Apokalypsi and jpwyrm 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6059527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpwyrm Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 Vindicators for the win!!! Congrats on the win. I'm really hyped to read your report with this iteration of the list. I have a feeling the Hellblasters, Vindicators and Redeemer complement each other very well and cover almost all kind of targets while the rest of your army can score and bully objective holders. I'm curious about your choice of including a min-sized unit of TWC though. What's the reasoning for this unit? TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6060012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted September 23 Author Share Posted September 23 Highly competitive games on clock so no batreps. I was on stream today for round 5 though My gladius SW list went 4-1 and I should have 3rd place overall for the Pariah Perils online GT My Gladius SW + FACTION KEYWORD: Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves + DETACHMENT: Gladius Task Force + TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 1995pts + ALLIED UNITS: Agents of the Imperium + + WARLORD: Char1: Judiciar + ENHANCEMENT: The Honour Vehement (on Char1: Judiciar) & Fire Discipline (on Char2: Lieutenant) & Artificer Armour (on Char3: Lieutenant with Combi-weapon) + NUMBER OF UNITS: 17 + SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (4x2) + (1x4) - Assassination: 5 Characters +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Char1: 1x Judiciar (85 pts): Warlord, Absolver Bolt Pistol, Executioner Relic Blade Enhancement: The Honour Vehement (+15 pts) Char2: 1x Lieutenant (95 pts): Power Fist, Heavy Bolt Pistol, Master-crafted Bolt Rifle Enhancement: Fire Discipline (+30 pts) Char3: 1x Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (80 pts): Combi-weapon, Paired Combat Blades Enhancement: Artificer Armour (+10 pts) Char4: 1x Ragnar Blackmane (90 pts): Bolt Pistol, Frostfang Char5: 1x Callidus Assassin (100 pts): Neural shredder, Phase sword and poison blades 5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75 pts) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist • 4x Assault Intercessors: 4 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75 pts) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist • 4x Assault Intercessors: 4 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 9x Hellblaster Squad (230 pts) • 8x Hellblaster: 8 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Plasma Incinerator • 1x Hellblaster Sergeant: Close Combat Weapon, Plasma Incinerator, Bolt Pistol 5x Infiltrator Squad (100 pts): Helix Gauntlet, Infiltrator Comms Array • 1x Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine • 4x Infiltrators: 4 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine 5x Scout Squad (65 pts) • 2x Scout 1 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Missile Launcher 1 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Scout Sniper Rifle • 1x Scout Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Astartes Chainsword • 2x Scouts: 2 with Astartes Shotgun, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon 5x Scout Squad (65 pts) • 2x Scout 1 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Missile Launcher 1 with Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Scout Sniper Rifle • 1x Scout Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Astartes Chainsword • 2x Scouts: 2 with Astartes Shotgun, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon 3x Thunderwolf Cavalry (100 pts): 3 with Storm shield, Crushing teeth and claws, Heirloom weapon 1x Drop Pod (70 pts): Storm Bolter 1x Land Raider Redeemer (285 pts): Armoured Tracks, 2x Flamestorm Cannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Multi-melta, Storm Bolter, Twin Assault Cannon 1x Predator Destructor (130 pts): Armoured Tracks, Hunter Killer Missile, Predator Autocannon, Storm Bolter, 2x Lascannon 1x Vindicator (175 pts): Armoured Tracks, Demolisher Cannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Storm Bolter 1x Vindicator (175 pts): Armoured Tracks, Demolisher Cannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Storm Bolter Apokalypsi and jpwyrm 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6065972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted September 23 Author Share Posted September 23 Vindicators for the win!!! Congrats on the win. I'm really hyped to read your report with this iteration of the list. I have a feeling the Hellblasters, Vindicators and Redeemer complement each other very well and cover almost all kind of targets while the rest of your army can score and bully objective holders. I'm curious about your choice of including a min-sized unit of TWC though. What's the reasoning for this unit? The TWC were an experiment. I had 100 pts and figured they would have decent synergy with the rest of the list. I used them as sacrifices to initiate a trade in most games. They have OC6 total so they can steal objectives from many things (bully them like you said) and with their defensive profile they can stand on the middle objective and survive trash thrown their way. If my opponent commits a powerful unit to kill the TWC then my vindicators + hell bomb can alpha strike the powerful unit and I'm ahead in the attrition game. Turn 1 I would usually send the TWC or scouts out into danger and my vehicles kept safe. Their MVP move was helping me win the sororitas game. I was losing and needed a hail mary. TWC sole survivor who had lived against a 3 man repentia charge move blocked Vahl + paragons to keep my hellblasters safe from being charged in melee. He then casually tossed a grenade and got 5 kills to finish off a dominion squad that had survived a vindicator and lost 1 model. The dominion MM squad + attached character are BONKERS. They get 2 auto 6 dice and have sustained built in. Even overwatch results in a minimum of 4 MM. Removing that unit kept my vehicles alive 1 more turn and was enough to swing the game back in my favor. The sisters player I beat ended up getting 5th place I think they were definitely worth the points over the course of the GT...I'm removing them to squeeze Bjorn in my next list and it made me sad. jpwyrm 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6066086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpwyrm Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Ah damn! Missed the Stream yesterday. Congrats!!! 3rd place is actually quite good in the current meta. I ran a similar list recently against Sisters and boy! It's fun to have a delete button ready to be deployed anywhere on the map! In the end, what faction/list was able to counter this iteration of the list? Anything you would change if you had to play this in another event? TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6066105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted September 23 Author Share Posted September 23 Ah damn! Missed the Stream yesterday. Congrats!!! 3rd place is actually quite good in the current meta. I ran a similar list recently against Sisters and boy! It's fun to have a delete button ready to be deployed anywhere on the map! In the end, what faction/list was able to counter this iteration of the list? Anything you would change if you had to play this in another event? This list seems fine tuned already...I was comfortably in every game My loss came because my callidus failed to kill a gdamn enginseer on turns4/5 I shot charged and fired overwatch when he disengaged (1 rerolled into 1 for number of shots) and it lived with 1 wound I failed to score Assassinate and he used enginseer to cleanse bc he was alive in the perfect spot turn 5 That flipped the game Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6066106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpwyrm Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Eh, nothing to be done when this happens. How was the Callidus Lord of Deceit rules? Has it come up often or is it just a nice bonus now? What about the Thunderwolf Cav? Only three models and no character support, my guess is they are there to screen, score and delay but would another Assault Intercessors with jump pack unit do the same thing for cheaper and maybe be a little better at it? You're not known for your love for TWC so if they're there, it must be for a good reason. TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6066115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted September 23 Author Share Posted September 23 Eh, nothing to be done when this happens. How was the Callidus Lord of Deceit rules? Has it come up often or is it just a nice bonus now? What about the Thunderwolf Cav? Only three models and no character support, my guess is they are there to screen, score and delay but would another Assault Intercessors with jump pack unit do the same thing for cheaper and maybe be a little better at it? You're not known for your love for TWC so if they're there, it must be for a good reason. I answered that a few posts above the TWC did work and although they are pricy the 4++ and high T made it better than jump AI Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383369-saga-of-the-post-invitational-gladius-wolves/#findComment-6066117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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