New Blood Angel stuff- character sculpts, upgrade sprue, and rules?

[Blindhamster]

13 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

We did. The OG primaris sprue has every type of pad besides phobos

I disagree, it didn’t have gravis, or bladeguard or Phobos. It had tacticus and aggressor (which are gravis but different style). I was making my own (which should match up fairly well). This may be a legitimate reason for our different opinions, as I hated the fact most types weren’t covered well. (I’m still grumpy we didn’t get assault intercessors pads though!)

[DemonGSides]

12 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

I disagree, it didn’t have gravis, or bladeguard or Phobos. It had tacticus and aggressor (which are gravis but different style). I was making my own (which should match up fairly well). This may be a legitimate reason for our different opinions, as I hated the fact most types weren’t covered well. (I’m still grumpy we didn’t get assault intercessors pads though!)

 

It for sure has gravis, they just changed what Gravis pads look like for Heavy Ints. That's hardly the upgrade sprues fault considering the things you are asking for there didn't exist :P

 

I also think it's kinda crazy they want us to use two different Assault Intercessor sprues but didn't provide any assault intercessors pads. Another reason this is a disappointing release.  Not bad, but disappointing. 

Edited July 31 by DemonGSides

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

3 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

It for sure has gravis, they just changed what Gravis pads look like for Heavy Ints. That's hardly the upgrade sprues fault considering the things you are asking for there didn't exist :P

 

I also think it's kinda crazy they want us to use two different Assault Intercessor sprues but didn't provide any assault intercessors pads. Another reason this is a disappointing release.  Not bad, but disappointing. 

The topic of shoulder pads keeps coming up…so maybe the real problem is that there are different shoulder pads for different units wearing the same armor. Why are assault intercessors and BGVs using different shoulder pads?

why aren’t all the gravis marines using the same shoulder pads?

[Karhedron]

The thing that bugs me is that this feels like a sort of low-effort upgrade sprue that should have been available a long time ago. I know that with the whole Marine line being primarisised, we were never going to get all a load of BA-specific Primaris units straight away. But all the key units were released by 9th edition so these upgrade sprues should have been issued then. To make us wait 7 years for something that doesn't even come close to replacing the variety of the lost Firstborn kits feels like a bit of a kicker.

 

I am not expecting to see Heavy flamers for Intercessors or anything with special rules but at least they should have provided enough parts and variety to properly decorate our squads. I have found myself increasingly pillaging by Firstborn parts boxes when modelling my Space Wolves. I feel like I should stock up on some Firstborn DC boxes before they vanish to do the same job for BAs as the upgrade sprue just does not cut mustard for me (should pads aside).

[Blindhamster]

1 hour ago, DemonGSides said:

 

It for sure has gravis, they just changed what Gravis pads look like for Heavy Ints. That's hardly the upgrade sprues fault considering the things you are asking for there didn't exist :P

Broadly agree, but the pads weren’t actually applicable for inceptors, which use the same style as heavy intercessors/eradicators.

 

it’s definitely a (small imo) negative of the more varied armour patterns with primaris. Though I do personally like the varied armour styles 

[Pathstrider]

My mind is boggled they made Gravis pads different between units.

 

Meanwhile I note they don’t have chapter specific assault interecssor ones. Not that I mind as I thought the rim looked bad but it’s odd in a assault focussed release.

[DemonGSides]

49 minutes ago, Pathstrider said:

My mind is boggled they made Gravis pads different between units.

 

Meanwhile I note they don’t have chapter specific assault interecssor ones. Not that I mind as I thought the rim looked bad but it’s odd in a assault focussed release.

 

And they expect you to use this upgrade sprue to upgrade, specifically, two different Assault Intercessor units.  Without any shoulder pads for those units!  One of many reasons why I draw a big ol ? With this upgrade sprue compared to other Space Marines. It sorta feels like we were given to the team responsible for Ad Mech and Custodes LOL

 

I loved the DC shoulder pads that looks like a big ol paper strapped to the shoulder pads. My head canon was always that it listed out the deeds and accomplishments of that brother prior to falling.

 

I still have a few kicking around, but it's a bummer for new collectors to miss out on that. 

[Helias_Tancred]

12 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

Mephy is interesting as he is now basically a guided missile. However he is still only 7" Move (unless he gets an original version of Wings back). The 4+++ is really good considering how many Hazardous attacks he can make. My concern is that he now competes somewhat with the Sanguinor who has his pop-up attack and a Jump Pack for M12". Interesting though.

 

Dante's axe still looks like 2D to me but it is hard to tell. One change I can see is that he now give +1" to Advance as well as Charge (was just Charge previously). Nice to have but not amazing as I think he is still the weakest of the Chapter Master Characters. 

 

IMO Dante's axe should be damage 3, plain and simple. I don't mean to inflate his stats, but I see that as realistic to his lore and fair when compared to other chapter masters.

 

[Helias_Tancred]

Also on the shoulder pad argument, after having built my new BT collection with many BT-sculpted shoulder pads, and now painting them  .... ummmm I'd like to mulligan that choice! lol.

 

Going forward I'm going more water decals and less sculpted chapter specific shoulder pads! I appreciate the savings in painting PITA factor, AND the newer decals are better in quality, and look great when on! With some Micro-Sol and some matte varnish they look painted on.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 31 by Helias_Tancred

[Mostwanted]

2 hours ago, Blindhamster said:

Broadly agree, but the pads weren’t actually applicable for inceptors, which use the same style as heavy intercessors/eradicators.

 

it’s definitely a (small imo) negative of the more varied armour patterns with primaris. Though I do personally like the varied armour styles 

Yeah, I can concur that the current Gravis pads that were only meant for Agressors don't fit Heavy Intercessors or Inceptors, lol. I found out the hard way putting my Heavy Intersessor Sgt together after being painted in sub assemblies. The pad wasn't even close to fitting so I had to cut part of the rim down and re-paint. The inceptors are painted pretty recently and I had a thought we were going to get proper pads for them, so I only glued these with a bit of superglue. Hopefully I can easily snap them off. But on two of these models the rim scratched the paint off the jump pack.

 

This is why I'm really happy with the new upgrade sprue pads. Agree it's a but frustrating not having the Assault Intersessor ones but I'll just use the standard Mk x ones that regular Intersessors use.

[Blindhamster]

Those do look great though. Nice work!

46 minutes ago, Helias_Tancred said:

Also on the shoulder pad argument, after having built my new BT collection with many BT-sculpted shoulder pads, and now painting them  .... ummmm I'd like to mulligan that choice! lol.

 

Going forward I'm going more water decals and less sculpted chapter specific shoulder pads! I appreciate the savings in painting PITA factor, AND the newer decals are better in quality, and look great when on! With some Micro-Sol and some matte varnish they look painted on.

 

 

 

 

I’ve always liked to use a mix of decals, sculpted details and official pads/accessories. I prefer the slightly more varied look. I do like to mix in the older sculpted pads too as those were also nice

[Helias_Tancred]

I just recently tried a Crimson Fist decal on a hellblaster for my BT that I painted up as a Crimson Fist ... and it really sucked! The micro sol was 120% required to dry flat and it was still a battle of trying to eliminate the creases and folds

 

From the old decal sheets that came in every marine kit. I have like a 1/4" stack of them still lol.

 

 

Edited July 31 by Helias_Tancred

[ThaneOfTas]

I've always gone with sculpted pads on Sergeants and veterans, and the decals on the rest

[Paladin777]

My non-veteran units have the basic BA shoulder pad from the original upgrade sprue, and the sergeants all have the one with the cords. The army-wide uniformity kinda makes it look like that cord with dangly bits is a signal of rank, along with the black pauldrons. 
 

my veteran units all have unique pauldrons from firstborn kits. 

[DemonGSides]

I usually give everyone one fancy pad, one normal shoulder pad.  Then veterans get more bling and might end up with two fancy shoulders.

[Brother Raul]

If there was a thunder hammer on the sprue instead of the sword I'd be much happier.

 

Absolutely needed 5 DC paldrons. I thing having the engraved lines to make the X perfect and doubt they will give us enough transfers which are an inferior option regardless.

 

At least we got a full size Chainsword. I bought 4 of the regular Primaris upgrade sprues and it's a firstborn chainsword. Seriously smaller than Primaris chainswords which is not what you want from the Primaris kit.....

Edited August 1 by Brother Raul
Chainsword comment.

[Paladin777]

@Brother Raul You should check out Vbits Studios for DC pauldrons. 

[WrathOfTheLion]

I go with no sculpted shoulderpads, since I'm doing a successor chapter :)

 

Once I learned how to use decals right, I've always preferred them. I'm hoping the Sanguinary Guard have a design that'll make it easy to swap with an unadorned pad and not look weird.

[Rhavien]

I would have preferred a terminator fist instead of the lame old sword. That was one of the best improvements for the new Termis imo and I don't see myself giving the sarge a sword again just because it has a blood drop. But this is just rules and they waver like the tides of the warp. 

Furthermore I'm happy that the sculpted saltires are gone. Whilst it didn't bother me to use them on red angels and just ignore them it's far better if they aren't present in the first place and I can paint or decal them. 

Edited August 4 by Rhavien

[Blindhamster]

Swords are cooler than fists imo, so I stick to them anyway. But from a pure meta perspective yeah a fist would be better I guess

[DarkMark]

There are a couple of things that might be of interest, or worth thinking about. Greytide studios are about to release a not-BA range, check them out on instagram. Also, we haven't seen the SG sprues yet. I'm really, really hoping they add a lot of extras there. If there's a bunch of useful bits then multiply boxes can be bought rather than just a single one and done. Fingers crossed.