New Captain and Priest

[MadGreek]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/05/blood-angels-reveals-more-heroes-of-baal-cross-the-rubicon-primaris/

 

Well, our ranks swell with new Primaris characters. I think they look pretty good, and like that Captain painted gold. I also saw, but of course now can't find, the Captain painted up as a DC Captain, so hopefully that means DC Captains (and Lts) are back.

 

Anyway, on my way out, and just logged on to see others thoughts, and didn't see anything - so I figured I'd kick it off.

[Helias_Tancred]

They did a great job on both! I'm more excited for these two than I am for the Lemartes and Astorath new models, because these two are so kit-bashable/customizable especially the captain!

 

Not the biggest fan of the captain's iron halo, but that's easily replaced, or placed differently, etc.

 

 

Edited August 5 by Helias_Tancred

[Blindhamster]

I love the halo, same style as the chaplain which is a halo I stole for a few captains already 

[Helias_Tancred]

I wouldn't have it "hanging" over their head. I'd prop it up a bit so it was standing up? Or cut it in half and mount it to the backpack? So its like an iron halo arch. I've seen them like that in old 40k art.

 

 

Edited August 5 by Helias_Tancred

[DemonGSides]

52 minutes ago, Helias_Tancred said:

I wouldn't have it "hanging" over their head. I'd prop it up a bit so it was standing up? Or cut it in half and mount it to the backpack? So its like an iron halo arch. I've seen them like that in old 40k art.

 

Same; i'd rather have it be a backpack topper as opposed to something that hovers over their actual head.

[Helias_Tancred]

The only model I used it on was Roboute Guiliman, which was the first newer model they used that design on.

 

But back to the two new BA model releases, there is going to be great leftover bits for customization and kit-bashing! If I do my second collection as Blood Angels todays release definitely muddies up the water on doing a primaris Brother Corbulo kit-bash ... in a good way.

 

 

 

Edited August 5 by Helias_Tancred

[Tokugawa]

DA Lazarus kit also include the bits to build a nameless DA captain. BA captain don't have such designs, which very possibly means Tycho can finally have a rest.

[MadGreek]

I'm looking forward  to getting a look at the sprues. I REALLY like - particularly with the Captain - all the included options, the variety on arm angles, shoulder pads, and the relatively "straight up" posture of the torso.  Lends itself to multiple versions of the model in the army without it (necessarily) LOOKING like multiple versions of the same kit. Would also mean extra arms/weapons to kit bash other models. He looks great in Black, and love the Gold with the Death Mask helm. Yeah, the more I look the more I like.

[Brother Raul]

On 8/5/2024 at 6:24 PM, Helias_Tancred said:

I wouldn't have it "hanging" over their head. I'd prop it up a bit so it was standing up? Or cut it in half and mount it to the backpack? So its like an iron halo arch. I've seen them like that in old 40k art.

 

 

Absolutely. It just looks like it's flopped over. Even trimming it a bit would work as it's smallest under halfway.

 

On 8/5/2024 at 11:43 PM, Tokugawa said:

DA Lazarus kit also include the bits to build a nameless DA captain. BA captain don't have such designs, which very possibly means Tycho can finally have a rest.

This might just be his quasi sculp.

[Brother Raul]

I get nervous when GeeDubs announces new sculps.

 

Back when everything looked stupid every sculp was an improvement. Now they are replacing great sculpts they have to try things either differently or similar so that's been polarising.

 

However this needs to happen for the hobby to continue and these new sculps are aligned with what we want so play on!

 

If you don't like these, you probably won't like anything out of the new range. That SP is bad ass and I cannot wait to give him a nicely glazed up power sword.

 

Some of the details on the captain look a little forced but I've been complaining about bland core sculpts so can't have it both ways.

 

Will be interesting to see if they come with jump packs. Really hope so but I am making the old Lemartes a new JP and it's not hard. I'll bet because no JPAI in the new combat patrol they don't.

 

There's good decals and bling available.

 

Side note the tax on these kits is 20 AI which is weird. Here's 2 JP chaplains and 10 marines with JPs. They will end up a different chapter or on eBay.

 

GeeDubs are pretty bad at doing this, putting kits into boxes that won't be used. This floods the 2nd hand market and would impact their sales significantly. It's dumb business.

 

It's nice to see the word marine used again, thanks GeeDubs.

 

Last point; it's funny but a lot of the mini pics that they tease are making sense here. That servo skull off the SP was one and there was one with long purity seals that supported the model.

 

Definitely the Sanguinor IMO and after seeing the sculps for the 6 HQs we just got (Captain is 3) I am very excited.

[Jolemai]

That Captain will be a new Datasheet...

[Karhedron]

2 hours ago, Brother Raul said:

GeeDubs are pretty bad at doing this, putting kits into boxes that won't be used. This floods the 2nd hand market and would impact their sales significantly. It's dumb business.

 

On the contrary, it is very smart. It helps shift vanilla units like the Intercessors by tempting people with the shiny new kits before they are on general release.

 

More broadly, I really love the new Captain and Priest models. I was underwhelmed by the DC box set release but these two models have really knocked it out of the park. I love that they can both be built to resemble classic Characters like Tycho or Corbulo whilst also have enough parts and customisability to make your own Characters. The Captain in particular might just be the best generic Character kit GW have made.

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

2 hours ago, Jolemai said:

That Captain will be a new Datasheet...

Because of the Inferno Pistol and Chainsword? how is the Black Templar Marshal handled? I was under the impression it was just a Captain but some small print that allowed him to take the combi flamer and axe? Same way in 9th the DA just got some small print allowing them to take Firts and boltgun?

[Cenobite Terminator]

These are both lovely models. I’m sorely tempted to start a new army.

[MadGreek]

6 hours ago, Jolemai said:

That Captain will be a new Datasheet...

You don't think it'll just be "Space Marine Captain: and then "you can replace x with y " to cover all the different Tacticus Captain models they have released? Seems the logical way to do it (yes, I said logical about GW, but still this is easy, right?)

[Karhedron]

Just now, MadGreek said:

You don't think it'll just be "Space Marine Captain: and then "you can replace x with y " to cover all the different Tacticus Captain models they have released? Seems the logical way to do it (yes, I said logical about GW, but still this is easy, right?)

 

I am guessing it will be a separate data sheet in the same way that Deathwing Terminators are separate from the regular codex version despite the only difference being that they can also take a plasma cannon. Interestingly DW Termies do get a slightly better rule than regular Termies in that they can ignore negative to-Hit modifiers.

[Pathstrider]

3 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

how is the Black Templar Marshal handled? I was under the impression it was just a Captain but some small print that allowed him to take the combi flamer and axe? Same way in 9th the DA just got some small print allowing them to take Firts and boltgun?

Marhsal is its own data slate - his abilities are the same as a captain I believe, so effectively it’s just captain with a specific load out.

[DemonGSides]

3 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Because of the Inferno Pistol and Chainsword? how is the Black Templar Marshal handled? I was under the impression it was just a Captain but some small print that allowed him to take the combi flamer and axe? Same way in 9th the DA just got some small print allowing them to take Firts and boltgun?

 

The Marshall is its own datasheet.

 

I'm of two minds; I'd be happy with a bespoke captain who can get a fancier ability than normal captains.  But I also don't want to sacrifice one of our datasheets to something that is ultimately just a fancy space marine. 

[Brother Raul]

On 8/6/2024 at 8:49 AM, Karhedron said:

 

On the contrary, it is very smart. It helps shift vanilla units like the Intercessors by tempting people with the shiny new kits before they are on general release.

 

More broadly, I really love the new Captain and Priest models. I was underwhelmed by the DC box set release but these two models have really knocked it out of the park. I love that they can both be built to resemble classic Characters like Tycho or Corbulo whilst also have enough parts and customisability to make your own Characters. The Captain in particular might just be the best generic Character kit GW have made.

I'd have to argue the point based solely on economics. Selling troops for a  discount as a box set canabalises the sales of those lines at a premium.

 

If you factor in the currency rates on those sales it's more profit evaporating too.

 

Basically the DC box will be the codex plus a AI kit for free. If the AI kit gets on sold they now made the AI sprue for free and lost a $90 AUD sale.

 

Based on GWs own mission statement of wanting 65% GP it's counter to their business model as they move slightly more product at much lower profitably.

 

I've barely bought anything from kits. Of my 800 points so far 175 have come off a shelf at RPR. The rest is more than half GWs RRP from eBay.

 

I can never remember a time when this has ever happened. Cheap time to start marines historically speaking.

On 8/6/2024 at 8:40 AM, Jolemai said:

That Captain will be a new Datasheet...

I hadn't considered that but I hope you are right. Can use red rampage even if it has been used that turn would be awesome.

 

Freight has always been a big GW expense too and those 'free' sprues as part of box sets would also be shipped. More margin evaporating.

[Loishy]

I really like the new captain. A nice armour that follows the design of dant’s armour, multiple weapon options, company symbol for the shoulder pad, etc. I would have liked a little more decoration on the armour, like what we had on the BA tactical squad or Death compagnie armours. But we are in the Primaris era and all space marine armours are less decorated. I didn't expect them to do it so. 

 

But for the sanguinary priest I'm disappointed ... A little explanation. Since I started to collect Blood Angels, I always saw the sanguinary priest as the rank above the apothecary for the blood angels. Because Blood angels (almost) always had sanguinary priests  AND apothecary in their codices (apothecaries were sometimes renaming sanguinary novice). And also because in the lore sanguinary priest are high tier officers : they are equivalent to the chaplain and they are not subordinate to officers. 

 

The previous miniature fit well with this idea. It had armour in the style of sanguinary guard / captain, had a unique chainsword, a robe, big symbol on his shoulder pads, etc. When you saw it, you know that was an important officer. 

 

The new miniature is for me a good miniature but for a Blood Angels Apothecary / Sanguinary Novicae. It looks like a standard apothecary with a shoulder pad and a head from the BA upgrade kit. I was expecting more of a sanguinary priest. 

[Blindhamster]

sanguinary priests and apothecaries have actually been one and the same for a lot of blod angel history, with sanguinary high priests being a unique HQ variant we have had in some editions.

 

An issue I've always had with the last one was that he was actually TOO ornate, in most editions they didnt actually have access to artificer armour even.

But anyway, for me the new one is pretty great, he looks more ornate than the current apothecary kit, but doesn't look like he's wearing artificer armour. So seems a good balance to me.

 

@Loishy out of interest, when you say the captain should have had more decoration, what are you thinking? To me, he seems very ornate as it is. between the entire suit having the muscle design, a very elaborate chapter symbol on the right leg (like the old sanguinary guard one, but better), blood drops on the wrists, an ornate belt buckle, the armour having a "rim" or trim around it, blood drop on chest, ornate shoulder pad designsfor chapter side and a nice BA style scrollwork for the right one and even some embelishment on the backpack, I'm intrigued what you'd add that wouldn't make it look busy? Only think I can think of, is maybe an alternate chest piece with a winged blood drop like Dante has.?

[Blindhamster]

just been comparing the armour to Dantes, its interesting just how different the chest armour design actually is. For Dante the chest is actually more aligned with the primaris bodies, in that the pectorals are only outlined on the underside and sides, but blent into the chest plate at the top more. Where this new captain has effectively two slabs attached.

[Paladin777]

I think the new captain looks great in gold, but i agree with him being a bit bland in red. 
 

Here's a picture of Karlaan for comparison. 
 

 

completely decked out in regalia from head to tow. 

i get that a jump captain needs to be limited in how much you can pile on, but a foot captain? Not so much imho. 

 

Edited August 6 by Paladin777

[DemonGSides]

I bet there's enough tchochkes and combined with our upgrade sprue keychains, you can bring out the big bling easy enough. 

[Loishy]

4 hours ago, Blindhamster said:

@Loishy out of interest, when you say the captain should have had more decoration, what are you thinking? To me, he seems very ornate as it is. between the entire suit having the muscle design, a very elaborate chapter symbol on the right leg (like the old sanguinary guard one, but better), blood drops on the wrists, an ornate belt buckle, the armour having a "rim" or trim around it, blood drop on chest, ornate shoulder pad designsfor chapter side and a nice BA style scrollwork for the right one and even some embelishment on the backpack, I'm intrigued what you'd add that wouldn't make it look busy? Only think I can think of, is maybe an alternate chest piece with a winged blood drop like Dante has.?

After your comment I compared the new captain and my first born captain and I think you are right.
With their shorter legs and arms, any decoration looks great on firstborns. So I had the impression that the new captains were less decorated. But I think that's a false idea.