The High Kahls Oath - Black Library

[Gamiel]

33 minutes ago, Lord Nord in Gravis Armour said:

We ARE talking about a guy who managed to murder the one bit of existing lore for the Dragonspears chapter by making them a pre-Ultima chapter simply so that they could meet  with Krom DragonGAZE in a scene immediately prior to the Primaris Marines showing up.

Two questions: 1) do we know that's the reason? 

2) do we know that was the same Dragonspears Chapter that are Salamanders successors? The Imperium is known to reuse names and we know that there have been at least two chapters running around at the same time with the same name

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

39 minutes ago, Gamiel said:

Two questions: 1) do we know that's the reason? 

2) do we know that was the same Dragonspears Chapter that are Salamanders successors? The Imperium is known to reuse names and we know that there have been at least two chapters running around at the same time with the same name

 

1) The Dragonspears had literally NO other reason to be in the book, so if it wasn't for the purposes of going for the lame Dragonspears/Dragongaze comment, then Thorpe just threw a dart at the chapters poster. Feel free to pick, but neither option is good for Thorpe.

 

2) Give me a break. You're desperately trying to cover for an obvious lack of fundamental research on Thorpe's part. He introduced a never-before-seen chapter with the same name as an Ultima Founding chapter AND left them fully hale and hearty and "lookin' forward to gettin' US some of those Primaris Marines."

 

He made a mistake. A very lazy one. End of story.

[Gamiel]

16 minutes ago, Lord Nord in Gravis Armour said:

 

1) The Dragonspears had literally NO other reason to be in the book, so if it wasn't for the purposes of going for the lame Dragonspears/Dragongaze comment, then Thorpe just threw a dart at the chapters poster. Feel free to pick, but neither option is good for Thorpe.

 

2) Give me a break. You're desperately trying to cover for an obvious lack of fundamental research on Thorpe's part. He introduced a never-before-seen chapter with the same name as an Ultima Founding chapter AND left them fully hale and hearty and "lookin' forward to gettin' US some of those Primaris Marines."

 

He made a mistake. A very lazy one. End of story.

So it's your own assumptions you base those statements on. Or do I misunderstand?

[Urauloth]

My experience with Thorpe is he's totally alright when he's not writing about space marines but pretty dull when he is. I think The Emperor Expects managed to be the best of the Beast books and a pretty solid outing for the Imperial Navy, and while I can't understand why the plot about the mortal regiment in The First Wall wasn't a separate novella, there was nothing wrong with it. I haven't read his Eldar stuff but I know a lot of Eldar fans like it.

 

I'll reserve judgement until I've read it, but I expect this to be fine.

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

At least a LoV novel is coming. It will provide some world building and it give the faction a little boost. Hopefully it does well so other authors get a crack at LoV novels in the future. I bet Mike Brooks or Nat Crowley could write something really cool. 

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

1 hour ago, Gamiel said:

So it's your own assumptions you base those statements on. Or do I misunderstand?

 

Occam's Razor. Again, there was NO other reason for the Dragonspears to be in the book. And in the years since, no one at Black Library or GW has even attempted to acknowledge the discrepancy, let alone waste ten seconds trying to explain it.

 

But keep at it, Columbo. I'm sure Gav appreciates the lathering.

 

Edited August 6 by Lord Nord in Gravis Armour

[Jareddm]

Quick comment about the Dragonspears. The likely reason they were there was because they had already been written into the ongoing Space Wolf vs Ork engagement from Psychic Awakening: Saga of the Beast. Did they need to be brought in now, before the Space Wolves even knew what a Primaris was? No, and I do think it was a mistake on Gav's part to do so. But I don't think it was just to include a dragon related pun.

 

Back to our space dwarves. While I've really liked the design aesthetics of the League so far, the names have been terrible for me to pronounce so I'm waiting with great trepidation for the audiobook version.

[SkimaskMohawk]

Not every novel Gav has written is terrible, and he's had some good ones, but there is a concerning number of duds and mediocre entries in his past. 

 

Indomitus was known garbage, his raven guard arc in the HH was criticised for a whole variety of reasons and kinda needed to be salvaged by the primarch book, first wall had some terribly written versions of characters and the odd focus on the militia switch.  

 

Idk, very fair to be concerned.

[Lord Marshal]

On the other hand, his Fantasy Dwarf stuff was pretty decent.

 

That said, I am a little concerned this may end up being little more than "Bolter Porn... with Votann" rather than the in-depth worldbuilding exercise a lot of people are both hoping for and expecting it to be. 

[Gamiel]

1 hour ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

Indomitus was known garbage

I had no problem with it.

[SkimaskMohawk]

40 minutes ago, Gamiel said:

I had no problem with it.

 

That's nice; the book is still terrible. Go look through the 2020 four page thread and the nicest anyone has to say about it is the necron parts are fine, but you basically need to skip all the marine parts. 

[Indy Techwisp]

I will say this:

 

I really hope that this doesn't turn out to be one of those books that's advertised as starring a Xenos faction but is actually a stealth Imperium book instead.

[crimsondave]

As a Dark Angels simp I have a love/hate with Gav.  Some of his stuff is pretty cool and some is really, really bad.

 

He’s way better than Phil Kelly.

[phandaal]

15 hours ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

 

That's nice; the book is still terrible. Go look through the 2020 four page thread and the nicest anyone has to say about it is the necron parts are fine, but you basically need to skip all the marine parts. 

 

Indomitus was basically Gav attempting to follow directions to sell the new models (I assume) while also telling a story. Something to which his talents were most certainly not equal.

 

It always surprises me a little seeing the support for Gav's writing on this forum, when you will find people saying how weak he is almost anywhere else. At the very least, the guy needs some kind of editorial oversight that he just does not receive for whatever reason.

[Gamiel]

20 hours ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

That's nice; the book is still terrible. Go look through the 2020 four page thread and the nicest anyone has to say about it is the necron parts are fine, but you basically need to skip all the marine parts. 

We will have to agree to disagree. I found neither the Space Marine parts nor the necron parts terrible. 

[Haranin]

His Dark Angels books are horrible. His Dwarf (WHFB) books are worse. Its good to get a book... but the author.... well lets hope he has got better over the years.

 

[SkimaskMohawk]

9 hours ago, Gamiel said:

We will have to agree to disagree. I found neither the Space Marine parts nor the necron parts terrible. 

 

You can disagree all you want lol, it doesn't change that the book was a byword for shovelware tie-in fiction.