The Tithes

[Noserenda]

I always wonder about the idea people have that any custodes are "perfect human forms" under their armour. Like, i know the Rogue trader look was topless but their modern incarnations consistent wear their power armour nearly everywhere, and when they arent they are wearing full body robes. The Emperor didnt design them for display, they are all custom built almost from the ground up to be loyal, hold a conversation and kill things.

Their forms almost certainly have nothing to do with natural perfection, certainly things like birth gender are irrelevant to their final form when you take a preteen and rebuild them mind, body and probably soul, the only things left are probably their (largely irrelevant to purpose) faces and the details on how exactly they pee inside the armour :D Inside and out though they may well be barely recognisable as human with bizarre muscle groupings, super shiny organs and extra bones or whatever. Evolution is full of weird inefficient systems because of its nature, Ill bet Custodes knees are actually designed to work well for example! (Jealous)

So yeah, perfect human form sure, but for doing a job, not being "hyper masculine"

[StrangerOrders]

 

I always wonder about the idea people have that any custodes are "perfect human forms" under their armour. Like, i know the Rogue trader look was topless but their modern incarnations consistent wear their power armour nearly everywhere, and when they arent they are wearing full body robes. The Emperor didnt design them for display, they are all custom built almost from the ground up to be loyal, hold a conversation and kill things.

Their forms almost certainly have nothing to do with natural perfection, certainly things like birth gender are irrelevant to their final form when you take a preteen and rebuild them mind, body and probably soul, the only things left are probably their (largely irrelevant to purpose) faces and the details on how exactly they pee inside the armour :D Inside and out though they may well be barely recognisable as human with bizarre muscle groupings, super shiny organs and extra bones or whatever. Evolution is full of weird inefficient systems because of its nature, Ill bet Custodes knees are actually designed to work well for example! (Jealous)

So yeah, perfect human form sure, but for doing a job, not being "hyper masculine"

Since I take this as reference to my points, although I am not sure from the way its written (and I apologize if I am wrong) that it is meant to be answered in good faith. I will take my daily dose of optimism and try while hoping my arguments will be taken in good faith.

 

The idea is mostly from the books, which continuously describe them as refined, ideal and a physical message by the Emp of his hopes and aspirations? MoM was pretty clear about it, Watchers was pretty clear about it, Valdor was pretty clear about it. There was no scene of someone drooling over a Custodes (unlike Loken lol) but it is fairly persistent in description.

 

I am sure you can find a quote describing the ugliest most brutish Custodes ever born but I think it might be percieved as disingenuous to pretend its the norm (I can help by pointing at Trajann but he also ran into a facefull of acid). I would also like to include a sidebar here that we should stop vaguely implying that anyone that disagrees with a point is fundamentally misunderstands things, it isn't especially kind or conductive to debate. And while I do not think your knee point is necessarily meant for that (I hope) we could declare that you need a dual leg-amputation to pilot Paragons but, while pretty metal actual, it isn't honest and it can be seen as baiting. I hesitate to say we should cherry pick which aspects about models make anatomical sense for our arguments.

 

The Tithe Custodian's armour being relatively lanky compared to their current range was nice incidentally.

 

In terms of the appeal for this stance? Probably because the setting has more than enough factions that are mostly or almost exclusively represented by ugly brutes, variety is nice. Also some thematic creativity that doesn't hint at a certain dislike for certain types of traits which is a bit tiresome.  The Custodes are supposed to ring disonantly with the Imperium they were never fully part of.

 

To repeat myself, I see the Custodes as the nightmare the Emp hoped for (surface perfection at the cost of being functionally automata) as opposed to competing nightmare the Imperium became (probably too much to encapsulate plus the need for a bath).

Edited September 4 by StrangerOrders

[Noserenda]

Except is anyone ever seeing these Custodes naked enough to judge their perfect human form, or are they guessing about what is under their clothing and armour? Turns out a decent number of these people were looking at women and seemingly had no idea after all. My point is their actual form could be a nest of tentacles for all we actually know after all, they might be decorative, but that decoration is all on their armour

[StrangerOrders]

 

Except is anyone ever seeing these Custodes naked enough to judge their perfect human form, or are they guessing about what is under their clothing and armour? Turns out a decent number of these people were looking at women and seemingly had no idea after all. My point is their actual form could be a nest of tentacles for all we actually know after all, they might be decorative, but that decoration is all on their armour

I mean, Kandawire's first number of meetings with Valdor he was wearing a simple white shift. Teron met Valerion in scholars robes. We even have Aleya compare Guilli and Custodes Im fairly sure.

 

Sadly no drooling fan service scenes unlike Loken.

 

And as for Valdor in MoM it is the PoV literally contrasting with the helmet.

 

Although Im sensing these points wont sway you, I do take your point that we have yet to have scene of a Remembrancer squeeing over a naked Custodes. I don't mean this as mocking, I just need to ensure everyone recalls the Loken scene.

[hd3]

 

I'm very disappointed that GW have continued to go down the gaslighting 'they were always there' route. Sadly, I suspect further attempted lore changes will be made to other factions.

 

 

We always have been at war with eastasia. 

[Shield-Captain]

Too many people don’t understand how the setting works. I for one remember when Eldrad Ulthran died during the 13th Black Crusade, pitting his soul against the daemon of Slaanesh that had been inhabiting the Will of Eternity to prevent it from firing upon Cadia. And then, he’s alive! Lo and behold what wonders dost the fluff contain! 
 

This episode of tithes was excellent. There wasn’t quite enough strife amongst the imperial forces for my liking but the thoughtmark was very cool.

[ZeroWolf]

 

Too many people don’t understand how the setting works. I for one remember when Eldrad Ulthran died during the 13th Black Crusade, pitting his soul against the daemon of Slaanesh that had been inhabiting the Will of Eternity to prevent it from firing upon Cadia. And then, he’s alive! Lo and behold what wonders dost the fluff contain! 
 

This episode of tithes was excellent. There wasn’t quite enough strife amongst the imperial forces for my liking but the thoughtmark was very cool.

How about those necrons being personalitless robot skelliies serving the C'tan eh? Capturing human psyker children...oh wait...

[Marshal Reinhard]

Saw the second episode. Thought it was really good too.

 

As I alluded to in the other thread, as I don't care much for Custodes in general I didn't particularly care for the one here either. I suppose my feelings towards them are pretty much akin to those of the ones who moan about marines, towards marines. I just find them boring.

 

Loved the sister of silence however, it was cool to see blank effects in action.

 

The nids were great to see in action as always, they're very difficult to get wrong.

 

Arbites, thumbs up.

[Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla]

Changing the topic a bit, I am not sold on the Custodes-Captain interaction. I always assumed that Magisterium Lex Ultima allows AC to draw any resources necessary for their current mission, but like "I need your Chapter to help me get this MacGuffin", not random Custodes showing up and rearranging the whole defence of the Solar System on a whim with apparently no questions asked. Not even one question what Lord Solar has to say about this? Or anyone else in the chain of command? Inquisition, since we're playing exterminatus? "Oh really? Will of the Emperor? Emps told you that himself?" Who is this order coming from?

[Ahzek451]

The first time I watched I had to without audio and on a small-ish screen but I genuinely thought the custode was a male with that mega chin. That aside, it was well animated, when I did manage to watch it again with audio I found that it was hard to understand what they were saying when they put on the helmets. Almost like the audio dips. 

I Liked the animation of the nids and the space police shooting them down. Action was decent and fun, the psyker powering up was cool, the custode bearing down on the marine was a bit hammy. Always happy to see a thunderhawk on screen. 

I'll chime in, why not. Water is wet, the sun is hot, and GW changes the lore. Yet it doesn't mean if they do it's a good thing, people can dislike or like a lore change and either opinion is just as valid. I still personally know a ton of people that prefer the original necron lore. Personally, I can appreciate both past and present necron lore and don't have a deep loathing for either. But it does remind of everything else that has been going on in media these last few years. It would be like if Disney made a fundamental change to star wars by making R2-D2 a lesbian because it wasn't made iron concrete perfectly clear in the past what the robots orientation was. It's understandable why some fans would be upset at this kind of change.       ...oh wait a minute, they did announce that. 

[ZeroWolf]

I didn't realise that about Rogal Dorn tanks, I thought they were a new addition (through Guilliman-led innovation) to the current 40k timeline.

[Xenith]

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