Sanguinor and Sanguinary Guard

[Spagunk]

 

I think they look absolutely okay. 

Am I allowed to have an opinion?

 

I think they don't look right and too small. The new one on the Sanguinor probably would look amazing but a pain to source enough for a single squad, short of 3d printing.

Edited August 12 by Spagunk

[TheArtilleryman]

 

The old ones are too small on primaris.

Nah I think they look fine 

 

 

 

Edit: didn’t read all the comments and didn’t realise you’d been jumped on a bit. of course you can have an opinion and whatever you think that’s up to you :)

Edited August 12 by TheArtilleryman

[SvenIronhand]

Ya'll act like GW dynamited the Sistine Chapel. 

[Toxichobbit]

 

For years my secret was 'work at game developers making Warhammer video games.' My 7th edition Space Wolves army was built entirely from free models GW sent to our studio, they were contractually obligated by the licensing agreement to send 4 copies of every 40k product. 

 

Similar idea for my Stormcast army when I worked on Age of Sigmar: Stormground.

 

Nowadays you just need to get popular on Instabook or whatever and become an "influencer". Or do unboxing videos.

[Marshal Rohr]

 

Biggest take away from this model preview is this:

 

We all hate 40k and we all hate eachother.

 

We clearly do, otherwise we wouldn't be complaining so much, about so little, dragging eachothers opinions through the mud or blaming everything wrong with Marines on a 6yr old business decision which had paid off for GW tenfold.

 

We all need to step back, chill out and reflect on this.

The 40k community has a reputation for being full of angry and grumpy s and this single thread very much highlights that the reputation is accurate and earned 

Bolter and Chainsword can be summed up in the immortal words of Larry David

 

”[redacted] you, I’ll see you tomorrow!”

[Blindhamster]

 

I wouldn't read to much into it. Wasn't there a bunch of debate surrounding Inner Circle Companions squad size (I think it was them) because one picture looked like there was 5 of them together but they turned out to be squads of 3 anyway.

8 suggests they can be taken in 10 man squads still to me is all

[Scribe]

 

Biggest take away from this model preview is this:

 

We all hate 40k and we all hate eachother.

 

We clearly do, otherwise we wouldn't be complaining so much, about so little, dragging eachothers opinions through the mud or blaming everything wrong with Marines on a 6yr old business decision which had paid off for GW tenfold.

 

We all need to step back, chill out and reflect on this.

The 40k community has a reputation for being full of angry and grumpy s and this single thread very much highlights that the reputation is accurate and earned 

 

When did Online get so soft?

 

Anyway.

 

Yes, I do hate modern 40K, or more so the direction of modern 40K, but hating you all? Nah thats a bit much.

 

PS: Primaris remain dumb. ;)

[The Scorpion]

 

It has been 6 years since they introduced them and what does it say about our community that we're still ripping out each other's throats and ruining people's discussions over it?

That the design was poor, that's what it means. How else would you, if you were a marketing analyst looking for design feedback, interpret what you just described?
 

 

Ya'll act like GW dynamited the Sistine Chapel. 

They might as well have. The old design was Kino

 

Edited August 12 by The Scorpion

[INKS]

 

Biggest take away from this model preview is this:

 

We all hate 40k and we all hate eachother.

 

We clearly do, otherwise we wouldn't be complaining so much, about so little, dragging eachothers opinions through the mud or blaming everything wrong with Marines on a 6yr old business decision which had paid off for GW tenfold.

 

We all need to step back, chill out and reflect on this.

The 40k community has a reputation for being full of angry and grumpy s and this single thread very much highlights that the reputation is accurate and earned 

I don't think or see this as true at all. People have strong opinions on the look of models being released, and how they are released. As long as it's constructive criticism then I do not think that is a problem. While I have not read every single post in this thread there are some very very common themes that run throughout them. While not all of us agree with the issues of the models or how they are presented there is nothing wrong with voicing distaste for a new model if you do not like it, especially true if you can add to the conversation as to why you do not like it, or what you would do better, or what you would prefer. All part of the conversation and how we connect as fans of 40k.

 

If someone is dragging someone else through the mud then please report it so the mods can take a look. It is important to remain respectful of one another even if you do not agree with their opinion on the models.

 

EDIT: Please be civil to one another. It's ok to disagree. But keep it respectful. 

Edited August 12 by INKS

[Scribe]

 

That the design was poor, that's what it means. How else would you, if you were a marketing analyst looking for design feedback, interpret what you just described?

 

Hell, I dont know that the designs (well not all of them anyway) are poor. The fluff justifications and what the current authors are doing to the IP? Now that was poor.

 

I like these Sanguinary Guard well enough honestly. I think the mini flaps are trash, but I would imagine you can just leave those off and fill in any gaps.

 

If GW had said "Listen folks, we are rescaling the Space Marine line, hold on with us as we do so over the next decade." I would have been far more accepting of it. Instead? Primaris, Cawl (puke) and so on, just poor.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

 

8 suggests they can be taken in 10 man squads still to me is all

 

Looks like there are 9 - you can just see the tip of the weapon on the far right as it pans over just before the scene transitions. The fellow it's attached to is never shown.

 

I'd guess they did up three groups as that's how many poses at least one guy has (the banner bearer in the article - he's shown with the banner in spear-up and without the banner in spear-level, so he must have a sword build as well).

 

But we'll know soon enough.

 

Edited August 12 by Lord Nord in Gravis Armour

[DemonGSides]

SG going to 9 man bodyguard status with options to take in clutches of 3 would be bananas but also possibly cool.

 

Just super unfortunate it's just three sets of triplets. 

[Marshal Reinhard]

 

Am I allowed to have an opinion?

 

I think they don't look right and too small. The new one on the Sanguinor probably would look amazing but a pain to source enough for a single squad, short of 3d printing.

You're not being disallowed your opinion just because it's being disagreed with. Airing it publicly like this will subject it to the risk of being disagreed with.

 

I know a lot more people disagree with my opinion that the losing of the wings entirely was a good thing, than has bothered to reply or react to me.

[darkhorse0607]

I don't even think it is a Primaris vs Firstborn issue

 

It's a frustration because with GW they either try really hard, or they kind of phone it in.

 

Blood Angels fans have been waiting since the Primaris launch in 2016 or 2017 whenever it was, for their update

 

They saw the Black Templars get an amazing update.

 

They saw the Dark Angels get an amazing update.

 

They saw non-marine factions like the Eldar, get a good, at least from my perspective, faithful, update

 

Then when it comes to them, they get a Death Company that is literally just the generic marines painted a different color

 

They get Sanguinary Guard that have lost a ton of detail, including but not limited to wings and their armor is just mostly a resculpt of the captain (or vice versa)

 

Eventually, they will lose the chapter-specific sculpts for the dreadnoughts, they will lose the chapter-specific terminators, and other things, along with the upgrade sprue being mixed at best

 

Granted all the chapters lost things when they got their updates, but you could justify it with the awesome new sculpts. Here, again, imo, it seems like the Blood Angels lost the most, and their chapter specific sculpts got the biggest downgrade. Imagine if the new Deathwing Knights kit was literally just the standard Terminators painted bone, people would've lost their minds. Or the Crusader squad was just regular Intercessors painted black

 

I'm not saying the folks (on IG or Reddit, I haven't seen it here) are justified when they're calling for people to lose jobs or anything, but I understand why the Blood Angel fans are upset, especially when it could be years before they get anything else.

 

GW is capable of doing better, we know they are. I just wish they would when they're charging the prices that they do. It also doesn't help this is following in the footsteps of Coteaz, so people are already fired up about that

[INKS]

 

You're not being disallowed your opinion just because it's being disagreed with. Airing it publicly like this will subject it to the risk of being disagreed with.

 

I know a lot more people disagree with my opinion that the losing of the wings entirely was a good thing, than has bothered to reply or react to me.

Apologies, I don't think I seen it. Why is losing the wings a good thing? Or why do you think it's a good thing? The wings were rather Iconic. 

[WAR]

 

 

EDIT: Please be civil to one another. It's ok to disagree. But keep it respectful. 

 

 

=][= Yes Be Civil to one another, BE Respectful, Do Not Make us close this thread =][=

[Kallas]

 

Just super unfortunate it's just three sets of triplets. 

This is one of the biggest downsides of modern Marine (40k in general, but Marines especially) releases - the lack of significant poseability and customisation has lead to major reduction in variety. This is obvious in Bladeguard and Obliterators, basically every three-strong unit that has come out has a distinct issue when you see more than one unit on the table because each is just a copy-paste of the last one.

 

While sculpt quality is absolutely incredible, the detail is fantastic (as in the technical detail, not necessarily the aesthetic), but the lack of posing options means we're just getting cardboard cutouts. This isn't quite as much of an issue for characters, but when it comes to units it's one of the biggest issues IMO. Variety is the spice of life and all that, and especially for Warhammer in general, the "Your Dudes" part is a significant one where the reduced variety becomes more pronounced.

 

On the SG and Sanguinor, I agree with a lot of what's been said already. Sanguinor is mostly fine, I'm not a fan of the Primaris Jump Pack, he feels like he should be very bespoke, but it is what it is; SG are mediocre - the scale and detail are good, though the aesthetic is not great and doesn't follow the original SG aesthetic particularly well; much like the DA Inner Circle Companions, they feel like a more generic version of the thing they're based on (though the ICC are sort of their own thing, that's more just me trying to give a comparison to something else that felt similar).

[Kharn13]

 

99% sure it's a 40mm.

 

It's probably for heresy, and the great angel is actually the red angel in his transfigured form.

 

 

I wanna say 99% chance it was just a joke/troll but if they brought sanguinius back my retirement from the actual game would be very short lived, so I’m kinda hoping it’s that 1% chance that he’s not just teasing us and something amazing is still to come…especially since the sanguinor was such a let down.

I would be hype for both these options! He said stay tuned on the channel though, so could be just lore related.

Edited August 12 by Kharn13

[Marshal Reinhard]

 

Apologies, I don't think I seen it. Why is losing the wings a good thing? Or why do you think it's a good thing? The wings were rather Iconic. 

Opinion time: They're stupid. They're making them look way more important than their chapter master. This is an opinion i've held since their introduction. My first ever army was blood angels second edition but took a looong hiatus before 3rd hit. I just never liked the wings. And it never made any sense that they would have them when Dante didn't.

 

I know a lot of people dig them. I don't. I think them losing them is a good thing. But the models themselves have problems beyond wings/no wings. If someone feels the readding wings fixes them for them, more power to them.

[INKS]

 

Opinion time: They're stupid. They're making them look way more important than their chapter master. This is an opinion i've held since their introduction. My first ever army was blood angels second edition but took a looong hiatus before 3rd hit. I just never liked the wings. And it never made any sense that they would have them when Dante didn't.

 

I know a lot of people dig them. I don't. I think them losing them is a good thing. But the models themselves have problems beyond wings/no wings. If someone feels the readding wings fixes them for them, more power to them.

Kind how I feel about scrolls or tactical rocks. lol

[Spagunk]

 

You're not being disallowed your opinion just because it's being disagreed with. Airing it publicly like this will subject it to the risk of being disagreed with.

 

 You can tell me you don't agree but if you declare, with certainty, that my opinion is wrong then that is something else.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

 

 You can tell me you don't agree but if you declare, with certainty, that my opinion is wrong then that is something else.

 

...in your opinion.

[Wispy]

 

Am I allowed to have an opinion?

 

People disagreeing with you isn't forbidding you from having an opinion.

Edited August 12 by Wispy

[Wispy]

 

Opinion time: They're stupid. They're making them look way more important than their chapter master. This is an opinion i've held since their introduction. My first ever army was blood angels second edition but took a looong hiatus before 3rd hit. I just never liked the wings. And it never made any sense that they would have them when Dante didn't.

 

I know a lot of people dig them. I don't. I think them losing them is a good thing. But the models themselves have problems beyond wings/no wings. If someone feels the readding wings fixes them for them, more power to them.

"Why doesn't Dante have wings," has been a genuine irk of mine since the concept has been introduced. And I do like the wings and think they should have them but making a unit more important than the faction leaders is a valid criticism.

[Blindhamster]

 

I don't even think it is a Primaris vs Firstborn issue

 

It's a frustration because with GW they either try really hard, or they kind of phone it in.

 

Blood Angels fans have been waiting since the Primaris launch in 2016 or 2017 whenever it was, for their update

 

They saw the Black Templars get an amazing update.

 

They saw the Dark Angels get an amazing update.

 

They saw non-marine factions like the Eldar, get a good, at least from my perspective, faithful, update

 

Then when it comes to them, they get a Death Company that is literally just the generic marines painted a different color

 

They get Sanguinary Guard that have lost a ton of detail, including but not limited to wings and their armor is just mostly a resculpt of the captain (or vice versa)

 

Eventually, they will lose the chapter-specific sculpts for the dreadnoughts, they will lose the chapter-specific terminators, and other things, along with the upgrade sprue being mixed at best

 

Granted all the chapters lost things when they got their updates, but you could justify it with the awesome new sculpts. Here, again, imo, it seems like the Blood Angels lost the most, and their chapter specific sculpts got the biggest downgrade. Imagine if the new Deathwing Knights kit was literally just the standard Terminators painted bone, people would've lost their minds. Or the Crusader squad was just regular Intercessors painted black

 

I'm not saying the folks (on IG or Reddit, I haven't seen it here) are justified when they're calling for people to lose jobs or anything, but I understand why the Blood Angel fans are upset, especially when it could be years before they get anything else.

 

GW is capable of doing better, we know they are. I just wish they would when they're charging the prices that they do. It also doesn't help this is following in the footsteps of Coteaz, so people are already fired up about that

im a blood angels fan (a very long time one at that) and im not unhappy with the release.

 

the only thing i think ill need to make changes to are the sanguinary guard, and even those i think will be minimal