Sanguinor and Sanguinary Guard

[roryokane]

 

 

Too much CAD design combined with the simplicity of the bog standard marine frame/outline.

Which is why having a dozens of interchangeable kits was glorious! :P

But you could get so much out of this with a few more poses. The monopose nature of these plus the lack of variety in the weapons is a real big hit.

Literally having a few upgrade sprues like the DA one already released would be great - you could do them for non-chapter specific things just to add a bit of variety. But then you're trapped up against the "IF IT ISN'T IN THE BOX WE'RE NOT MAKING RULES FOR IT" nonsense again.

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

The new Sanguinor seems very lazy. Not a bad model, just OK rather than a spectacular centrepiece. But very lazy in that it seems to be just a rather steady update. I had hoped we could get something more like the Stormcast heroes, something with gravitas and style. 

 

The new Sanguinary Guard I dislike a lot. I think because of their poses.

 

I also really hate how not only will this three man squad cost more than the old kit but you only get 3 instead of 5. Price rises and shrinkflation, GW really wants to force out anyone who isn't upper class it seems. 

[crimsondave]

If the mods don’t like this here delete it and flog me.  It cracked me up.

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/-kZAxDuwnxg?si=rKRQLTxBSzMQuQcg

[Scribe]

 

If the mods don’t like this here delete it and flog me.  It cracked me up.

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/-kZAxDuwnxg?si=rKRQLTxBSzMQuQcg

 

OK this has sold me, the SG kit sucks simply because the nips are gone.

 

FIGURE IT OUT GW.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

The three-man unit size for the Sanguinary Guard isn't surprising. That seems to be the honor guard standard detail now. Bladeguard were three-man, Inner Circle Companions were three-man, and now SG. It does make for an appalling dearth of posing options though.

 

Otherwise, I can understand the frustration of BA players as not only are the new SG a little underwhelming, but it's the only new squad kit they got. A three-man unit. Meanwhile, BT got the Crusader Squad and Sword Brethren while DA got the Deathwing Terminators on top of the Companions. And they were promised "lots of red (and perhaps a little gold)" when what they ended up with was four models and change in gold and red that amounted to the flair on the Sanguinary Priest and one Captain model... unless you decided you preferred THAT in gold as well.

 

(And no, you can't even count Astorath towards the red as he was revealed in that same article, not "in due course" via the future reveals they were alluding to).

 

Well, for a Blood Angels range refresh that was noticeably less angelic and a lot less bloody, this... exists.

[Nephaston]

 

That's not really an excuse. I have a third party Grenadier conversion kit for the plastic Krieg kill team that works in the same way the Primaris Intercessor shin armour works. If some guy in Estonia can do it on his home computer then GW can do it too.

I wasn't disagreeing on the intercessors behalf. those kits imo should now start to follow the approach terminators, and just have stuff like universal armour pieces that can go on any one model of that type.

 

I was disagreeing that the terminators are monopose and only have one specific guy the chest can go on.

[roryokane]

Also, slightly off topic, but is the absence of Corbulo making anyone else nervous?

[DuskRaider]

LOL these are so bad. What is with the sculpt quality of GW continuously taking a nosedive since 8th?

[Special Officer Doofy]

 

Blood Angels fans have been waiting since the Primaris launch in 2016 or 2017 whenever it was, for their update

 

Sanguinor, astorath, lemartes, sanguinary guard and death company was all from 2010 5th edition, less than 15 years old. And if you started waiting in 2017, your models would have only been 7 years old.

 

Meanwhile all flavor of chaos space marines are still rocking 3rd edition vehicles from 2002/2003, bikes are from the late 90's still...

Edited August 13 by Special Officer Doofy

[StrangerOrders]

So aside from the warcrime of the clipping of wings.

 

Anyone notice how nice the swords are on the Sanguinary Guard? I love the design on them.

 

The glaives are quite plain and kinda meh though, not bad, just not nearly as nice.

Edited August 13 by StrangerOrders

[LemartestheLost]

 

 

Sanguinor, astorath, lemartes, sanguinary guard and death company was all from 2010 5th edition, less than 15 years old. And if you started waiting in 2017, your models would have only been 7 years old.

 

Meanwhile all flavor of chaos space marines are still rocking 3rd edition vehicles from 2002/2003, bikes are from the late 90's still...

If I played Chaos, I would probably be buying more of those bikes if this release is the future direction of 40k!

[jaxom]

I think they started as concept art for a new unit, Primaris Dawnbreakers. Might explain the spears, the slightly less ornate armor, and lack of wings.

 

edit: I’ve been sitting on gen 1 Prosecutors to use as conversion fodder for just this. Agh, now I need to get the bits out of storage.

Edited August 13 by jaxom

[Wispy]

Anyways, now that we're seeing everything I will say this release is 'fine' despite some peculiar choices. it's not a one-stop-shop but there's a lot to work with. I definitely think the Sanguinary Guard are 'fixable' and everything else is pretty good and meets expectations.

[FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants]

Okay big swing and a miss for me. The Sanguinor looks like Dolph Ludgren, I can’t stand it when minis are held aloft by parchment as it it’s flimsy as and what’s with that vial of blood on his belt that looks like a butt plug. The SG look like Stormcast Eternals, so much so that if it weren’t for the few sci-fi details like guns, jump packs and cables you wouldn’t be able to tell they weren’t actually Stormcast.

Edited August 13 by FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants

[tychobi]

Don't look great. Not terrible. Bland. The sin of bland might ok for space marines most of the time but the Sanguinor should be awesome. Underwhelmed 

[happyslugger]

Well I was happy with the DC release (Lemartes and Astorath) but feel a bit meh about these.  

 

The SG don't look great in my opinion and the Sanguinor is very underwhelming (again in my opinion).  Perhaps my hopes were to high. 

 

Thinking I may try a kit bash with the Celestant prime model..

Edited August 13 by happyslugger

[LemartestheLost]

After humming and hawing at the stills again on WarCom, I’ve figured out my issue with these aside from no wings/axes/old detailing. It’s the legs, they’re too bulky.  All they had to do was copy Dante’s legs and shift them around a bit for a great look. The tabards don’t give any room for the legs to appear spread/dynamic either. Combined with the ammo pouches and Primaris torso, it makes for one large golden brick. Look at the leg swaps folks do with SG and Custodes or Stormcast, amazing stuff! I think a lot more people (including myself) would be a lot more receptive to these if the legs were thinned down by 10% or we just got Dante/Sanguinor legs.

Edited August 13 by LemartestheLost

[Kharn13]

 

After humming and hawing at the stills again on WarCom, I’ve figured my issue with these aside from no wings/axes/old detailing. It’s the legs, they’re too bulky.  All they had to do was copy Dante’s legs and shift them around a bit for a great look. The tabards don’t give any room for the legs to appear spread/dynamic either. Combined with the ammo pouches and Primaris torso, it makes for one large golden brick. Look at the leg swaps folks do with SG and Custodes or Stormcast, amazing stuff! I think a lot more people (including myself) would be a lot more receptive to these if the legs were thinned down by 10% or we just got Dante/Sanguinor legs.

I agree. Might make some Phobos SG like the DC from this WarCom article.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/07/23/this-blood-angels-army-looks-so-good-it-will-even-calm-the-black-rage/

 

 

[Wispy]

The legs are basically doing the same thing the old Sanguinary Guard are doing though, with MKX fit instead of bell-bottom fit. Giving the Dante's legs just makes Dante less unique.

 

 

here's the quickest dirty photoshop imaginable.

 

its my nature to be more constructive, which is why my reaction is 'there's a lot here to work with.' I tend to view all model kits as 'assortments of bits' that I can use for kitbashes down the line, so hanging on to the old Sanguinary Guard kit for just the bitz and never building the models seems natural to me (My last 7 years of hobbying has been combining Primaris kits with Space Wolves kits to get wolfy primaris). Which I realize is not intuitive for others. but if you're very specific about what you want your new model kits to look like, maybe it's intuitive to you too?

 

[FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants]

I’ve e been thinking about what it is I don’t like about the SG and I’d say that it is probably the removal of the nipples and the lack of obliques. They've gone halfway there and added pecks but as I said earlier they just look like Stormcast. I will give credit where it’s due and acknowledge that posing is more dynamic and that proportions are better. However, the latter can be said of all Primaris. Also now that I think of it, the knees look off to me too. I would call this part of the release ordinary. Yeas that’s it, ordinary. Not spectacular or amazing by any stretch, merely adequate.

[LemartestheLost]

 

The legs are basically doing the same thing the old Sanguinary Guard are doing though, with MKX fit instead of bell-bottom fit. Giving the Dante's legs just makes Dante less unique.

Exactly, Mk. X IS the problem. Either way, old Dante had the same leg design as the old Sang Guard sculpts and they looked nice and uniform together. Making Dante more unique is the least of GW’s issues with Blood Angels at the moment. The Sanguinary Guard are supposed to be unique themselves, and instead GW has completed the hat trick for three separate flavours of Jump Pack Assault Intercessors, Red, Gold, and Black!

[Antarius]

I usually try to stay positive about these things, but man, these are so bland 

[ZeroWolf]

 

Exactly, Mk. X IS the problem. Either way, old Dante had the same leg design as the old Sang Guard sculpts and they looked nice and uniform together. Making Dante more unique is the least of GW’s issues with Blood Angels at the moment. The Sanguinary Guard are supposed to be unique themselves, and instead GW has completed the hat trick for three separate flavours of Jump Pack Assault Intercessors, Red, Gold, and Black!

Black?

[ThaneOfTas]

 

Black?

The "New" Death Company kits, that are infact simply intercessors painted black

[Evil Eye]

Sanguinor looks alright. Sanguinary Guard are a massive disappointment. The Heresy-era jump packs with the added wings were a huge part of their identity. These just look really bland and uninspired.

Gabriel Seth was right.