Sanguinor and Sanguinary Guard

[Alternis]

 

The Sanguinor is very underwhelming, i as hoping for a primarch-sized, avatar-level type of character. Not Dante 2.0.

 

The Sanguinary Guards are actually better without gigantic wings. Good call from GW.

GW are leaving out Primarch centerpiece model open atm 

 

leaves room for a Returned Sanguinius. 
 

while this release has been very mixed feelings, they absolutely cannot mess up with Sanguinius model, they did good work on Roboute and Lion.

[Blindhamster]

 

 

"Objectively" a blood drop slapped onto a regular longsword doesn't really scream "Blood Angels" to me. It basically just says "Lazy".

 

Being alternately colored Ultramarines wasn't what I signed up for. 

it’s a winged blood drop, and which is much cooler to me. 
 

also the sword shape has sharper angles like a baby Mephiston sword and the blade itself has etched blood drops. 
 

For me, these swords are easily 10x cooler, they also appear to be attached in ways that make them more viable to swap onto other arms, so possibly nice alternative Bladeguard swords for blood angels.

 

also, all the classic blood angels swords from art are more this style of sword, the huge single edged swords don’t even appear on the sanguinary guard in the heresy art.

 

 

Edited August 13 by Blindhamster

[DemonGSides]

I'm not sure what heresy era art has to do with 40k Sanguinary Guard, but considering the lore around the encarmine swords are that they're from pre heresy...

 

Sanguinary Guard have had variety of weapons for a long time. Literally every depiction has different types of weapons.  That's my point; we used to have bespoke and cool weaponry (INCLUDING AN AWESOME TWO HANDED LONG SWORD!) Now we are just "Blood Drop long swords".

 

It's boring. 

Edited August 13 by DemonGSides

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

"Objectively" a blood drop slapped onto a regular longsword doesn't really scream "Blood Angels" to me. It basically just says "Lazy".

 

Being alternately colored Ultramarines wasn't what I signed up for. 

Bruh…if this is what you call ‘alternately colored ultramarines’ then that’s all we’ve ever been model wise.

 

look at the UM specific models, they’re just as ‘artisanal’ as anything we’ve had from the victrix guard, to Calgar, to guilliman, to tigurius. They all have very artsy armor that’s highly decorated. They just have Us and eagles while we have angel wings and blood drops.

 

youre upset about a reality that never really existed.

[DemonGSides]

 

Bruh…if this is what you call ‘alternately colored ultramarines’ then that’s all we’ve ever been model wise.

 

look at the UM specific models, they’re just as ‘artisanal’ as anything we’ve had from the victrix guard, to Calgar, to guilliman, to tigurius. They all have very artsy armor that’s highly decorated. They just have Us and eagles while we have angel wings and blood drops.

 

youre upset about a reality that never really existed.

 

Old Blood Angels absolutely weren't. If you think the BA tactical squad is the same thing as a regular tactical squad, well, I've got a bridge to sell you. 

 

 

Like one look at any of our old kits would show how inane what you're saying is. 

Edited August 13 by DemonGSides

[Toxichobbit]

 

Yeah the inferno pistol just being a pistol is an odd choice 

 

Didn't the old Sanguinary Guard also have a hand held pistol? I know the inferno was wrist mounted - so maybe plasma pistol. Or am I just imagining things again?

[Wispy]

 

 

"Objectively" a blood drop slapped onto a regular longsword doesn't really scream "Blood Angels" to me. It basically just says "Lazy".

 

Being alternately colored Ultramarines wasn't what I signed up for. 

i know we're all being upset and pissy right now but 'objectively' these are very different from Codex/Ulramarine power swords. Describing them as 'a blood drop slapped onto a regular longsword' feels very bad faith. Whatever your taste is, the crossguard is much more ornate and the blades have a unique shape where they taper at the base of the blade. Codex blades have much more square features aesthetically.

 

 

 

Didn't the old Sanguinary Guard also have a hand held pistol? I know the inferno was wrist mounted - so maybe plasma pistol. Or am I just imagining things again?

even the plasma was wrist mounted. I dunno, was not my favourite part of the classic Sanguinary Guard, the non-angelus bolter weapons looked very large and awkward to me. 

 

Edited August 13 by Wispy

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

I'm not sure what heresy era art has to do with 40k Sanguinary Guard, but considering the lore around the encarmine swords are that they're from pre heresy...

 

Sanguinary Guard have had variety of weapons for a long time. Literally every depiction has different types of weapons.  That's my point; we used to have bespoke and cool weaponry (INCLUDING AN AWESOME TWO HANDED LONG SWORD!) Now we are just "Blood Drop long swords".

 

It's boring. 

We still have bespoke weapons.

the cross guards are very intricate, they have engraved blood drops, the swords are very bespoke.

 

and want to talk about bespoke weapons? Spears/polearms in general are very bespoke compared to a powerfist or a power axe or a power sword.

 

off the top of my head I can’t think of any other lineage that currently gets them.

 

grey knights and custodians sure but they’re supposed to be even rarer and more elite than astartes, so those weapons are a reflection of that.

 

[darkhorse0607]

 

i know we're all being upset and pissy right now but 'objectively' these are very different from Codex/Ulramarine power swords. Describing them as 'a blood drop slapped onto a regular longsword' feels very bad faith. Whatever your taste is, the crossguard is much more ornate and the blades have a unique shape where they taper at the base of the blade. Codex blades have much more square features aesthetically.

 

Yeah, as much as I dislike these, I am kind of getting over calling them "Ultramarine Blood Angels"

 

I get it because the studio paints all of the generic space marines (i.e. box standard Intercessors, Aggressors, Bladeguard, etc) as Ultramarines but Ultramarine specific models, especially ones from the Heresy have their own aesthetic

 

Just call them generic. Because that's what they are

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

Old Blood Angels absolutely weren't. If you think the BA tactical squad is the same thing as a regular tactical squad, well, I've got a bridge to sell you. 

 

 

Like one look at any of our old kits would show how inane what you're saying is. 

I compared unique chapter kits to unique chapter kits, not a unique chapter kit, to a generic space marine kit.

 

i made an apples to apples comparison, you made an apples to oranges comparison.

 

so explain to me how old SG are any more bespoke or ‘artsy’ than the victrix guard. SG have death masks VC have eagle helms. SG have fancy wings, VC have fancy shields. SG have a bunch of blood drops, VC have a bunch of Us. SG had unique jump packs, VC get capes. Please explain where the big difference in bespokeity between the two unique elite body guards comes in, that set SG so far apart as being more artistic.

 

 

Edited August 13 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Cenobite Terminator]

 

With only 3 in a unit I could see a 2+/5++

or 2+/5+++
 

For the spears I think the most likely profile will basically be the old axe profile tbh lol.

 

but what I’d like to see

swords

A6 WS2+ S5 AP-1 D2

<sustained hits>

spears

A4 WS2+ S5 AP-2 D3
<devastating wounds>

Has it been confirmed they will be limited to a max of three Marines. A lot of kits are three models now but the units aren’t capped to what comes in one box.

 

 

 

Edited August 17 by Jolemai
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[The Emperors Champion22]

 

GW are leaving out Primarch centerpiece model open atm 

 

leaves room for a Returned Sanguinius. 
 

while this release has been very mixed feelings, they absolutely cannot mess up with Sanguinius model, they did good work on Roboute and Lion.

on one hand i completely understand returning sanguinius would undermine a huge cornerstone of the lore, and be one of the most controversial choices up there with female space marines and the emperor and horus coming back.

 

ON THE OTHER HAND, IMAGINE A NEW 40K PLASTIC SANGUINIUS!!!!

[Alternis]

 

on one hand i completely understand returning sanguinius would undermine a huge cornerstone of the lore, and be one of the most controversial choices up there with female space marines and the emperor and horus coming back.

 

ON THE OTHER HAND, IMAGINE A NEW 40K PLASTIC SANGUINIUS!!!!

A lot of people very quickly jump on this bandwagon and it’s very telling they haven’t read any of the most recent BA books. 
 

• Sanguinius is only dead in the physical sense 

 

• His death at Horus’ hands has very little significance now (he didn’t cause a chink in Horus’ armour, the lore has been changed on this) 

 

• Sanguinius soul is very much alive and well in the warp having had conversations with Dante & Mephiston in the current setting 

 

• Sanguinius death no longer being so significant, doesn’t take a lot away if he comes back compared to the old lore 

 

• The psychic echoes of him on the vengeful spirit is very very old lore which GW hasn’t touched and has actively been changed since we know where his soul is now 

 

• Yvraine long proved a Primarch’s soul persists in the warp, and is never truly ‘dead’ not in the real sense

 

• ^ This explains why Horus’ soul was not obliterated in current lore

 

• Leaves the door open for Ferrus & Curze too. 
 

 

lastly to add, There is still one last outstanding rumour for BA to be fulfilled that people have forgotten about regarding an angelic model surrounded by Cherubs! So maybe, just maybe, we haven’t seen all the reveals for BA just yet.

[Karhedron]

 

Has it been confirmed they will be limited to a max of three Marines. A lot of kits are three models now but the units aren’t capped to what comes in one box.

 

No as far as I have seen. I have been working on the assumption that they will be 3/6 as per BGVs and Inner Circle Companions.

[Alternis]

 

 

No as far as I have seen. I have been working on the assumption that they will be 3/6 as per BGVs and Inner Circle Companions.

 

[HeadlessCross]

 

 

Old Blood Angels absolutely weren't. If you think the BA tactical squad is the same thing as a regular tactical squad, well, I've got a bridge to sell you. 

 

 

Like one look at any of our old kits would show how inane what you're saying is. 

Ah yes, with such differences as:

1. You get to use a Heavy Flamer

 

That's about it. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

Has it been confirmed they will be limited to a max of three Marines. A lot of kits are three models now but the units aren’t capped to what comes in one box.

I mean probably 3/6 vs the current 5/10

 

 

A lot of people very quickly jump on this bandwagon and it’s very telling they haven’t read any of the most recent BA books. 
 

• Sanguinius is only dead in the physical sense 

 

• His death at Horus’ hands has very little significance now (he didn’t cause a chink in Horus’ armour, the lore has been changed on this) 

 

• Sanguinius soul is very much alive and well in the warp having had conversations with Dante & Mephiston in the current setting 

 

• Sanguinius death no longer being so significant, doesn’t take a lot away if he comes back compared to the old lore 

 

• The psychic echoes of him on the vengeful spirit is very very old lore which GW hasn’t touched and has actively been changed since we know where his soul is now 

 

• Yvraine long proved a Primarch’s soul persists in the warp, and is never truly ‘dead’ not in the real sense

 

• ^ This explains why Horus’ soul was not obliterated in current lore

 

• Leaves the door open for Ferrus & Curze too. 
 

 

lastly to add, There is still one last outstanding rumour for BA to be fulfilled that people have forgotten about regarding an angelic model surrounded by Cherubs! So maybe, just maybe, we haven’t seen all the reveals for BA just yet.

Where did this cherub model rumor come from? I don’t recall ever hearing anything about that before now.

[DemonGSides]

 

Ah yes, with such differences as:

1. You get to use a Heavy Flamer

 

That's about it. 

 

Weird, I don't remember making a comment about the loadout, just the armor. It'd be great to discuss things in good faith.

 

 

I compared unique chapter kits to unique chapter kits, not a unique chapter kit, to a generic space marine kit.

 

i made an apples to apples comparison, you made an apples to oranges comparison.

 

so explain to me how old SG are any more bespoke or ‘artsy’ than the victrix guard. SG have death masks VC have eagle helms. SG have fancy wings, VC have fancy shields. SG have a bunch of blood drops, VC have a bunch of Us. SG had unique jump packs, VC get capes. Please explain where the big difference in bespokeity between the two unique elite body guards comes in, that set SG so far apart as being more artistic.

 

If you don't want to read posts or the thread don't come in to just flail wildly. It's unbecoming.

 

 

 

 

There's 3 to a box. Most 3 man squads can be increased to 6. We don't have any confirmation in any direction.

[Fire Golem]

 

 

That’s the three models in the box, but that doesn’t mean the unit will cap at a max of 3. 

[DemonGSides]

 

Yeah, as much as I dislike these, I am kind of getting over calling them "Ultramarine Blood Angels"

I'll admit to hyperbolizing, but this release feels very generic in a way that the DA and the BT updates did not. They included multiple full kits of bespoke units, as well as upgrade sprues that were widely applicable to their forces, as well as great character updates.

 

BA got like, maybe half as good of an update. And some people here want to bury their heads and try to argue people into thinking they're good. It just feels weird.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

Weird, I don't remember making a comment about the loadout, just the armor. It'd be great to discuss things in good faith.

 

 

If you don't want to read posts or the thread don't come in to just flail wildly. It's unbecoming.

 

 

There's 3 to a box. Most 3 man squads can be increased to 6. We don't have any confirmation in any direction.

You’re clearly the one who didn’t read my post.

 

a tactical squad box is chapter agnostic and can be ultramarines or black templars or blood angels, so your snarky bad faith argument is irrelevant to my post.

[The Unseen]

It's a mental defense mechanism that happens to anyone who's overly invested in something. "I bought this and need it to have been a good purchase/mental investment, so attacking it is attacking my decision making".

See the console wars, Android vs Apple, etc.

 

Very understandable, still wrong.

But it's how you get all the people online white knighting for corporations like they're friends

[jaxom]

 

 

Old Blood Angels absolutely weren't. If you think the BA tactical squad is the same thing as a regular tactical squad, well, I've got a bridge to sell you. 

 

 

Like one look at any of our old kits would show how inane what you're saying is. 

 

 

i know we're all being upset and pissy right now but 'objectively' these are very different from Codex/Ulramarine power swords. Describing them as 'a blood drop slapped onto a regular longsword' feels very bad faith. Whatever your taste is, the crossguard is much more ornate and the blades have a unique shape where they taper at the base of the blade. Codex blades have much more square features aesthetically.

 

The Tactical Squad kit is as Ultramarines as it is Blood Angels as it is Dark Angels. Nothing on the sprue favors one chapter over the other. There's no gladius, no pteruges, no hooded heads, no Caliban-style sword, etc. It's paint and decals that make the different.

[Blindhamster]

 

BA got like, maybe half as good of an update. And some people here want to bury their heads and try to argue people into thinking they're good. It just feels weird.

 

Whilst others can't accept that some of us are legitimately happy with the release. It just feels weird.

 

But anyway. Comparison image side by side of the two sets, I went for the image of 3 of the originals purely for parity in that regards. I also went for the box art image of the new ones because there is parity in loadout there with helmets, the banner and multiple swords). I absolutely would have liked the box to still be 5 (why did sword brethren get to stay at 5 I wonder).

 

Anyway.

 

 

Poses: interesting the ones on the right are fairly similar tbh. The new ones have better posing overall, but I think it's pretty close. The ones that are similar (far right), the new ones sword angle needs adjusting a little, if the angle was a little more upright it would look like a downward slice, the bodies momentum on the newer one is better though. Otherwise, I'd say new ones generally have slightly better movement (though I think SOME of that is the choices of legs with bodies on the old ones there).

 

Chapter shoulder pads: the new ones are better.

"company" shoulder pads: the new ones seem to be unadorned, so old ones are arguably better there.

 

Leg design: pretty much par for the course IMO. BUT some blood drops or a winged blood drop on at least one of the new ones would be nice. I'm hoping that the front greaves are actually changeable, if so casting the captain one will be viable to get a look similar to original model #3

 

tabards: new ones are cool, I love the loin cloth style for blood angels, and these are nice.

 

torsos: honestly, the new designs are broadly better IMO, and more like the art depictions of them. That said, I don't think the random cables do them any favours and they may be worth removing...

 

arm armour: new ones are more intricately detailed. So thats better

 

Guns: new ones are probably better looking I think. Even the inferno pistol now I've been reminded how huge and unwieldy the old one looked on a wrist mount.

 

Melee weapons: I prefer the new ones, I can absolutely understand people liking the old ones (or the axes, though to me they always felt too blunt a weapon for the sanguinary guard so i didnt use them). Spears are much cooler and more unique than axes though. Little sad to lose power fists as an option by the look of it!

 

Jump packs: I like the new ones, I wont deny that the old ones were super distinctive though and I can absolutely understand why people would be sad. Honestly looking at the new ones, I think if you had the old jump packs lying around, you could just straight up use those relatively problem free if you're so inclined. Still won't deny its a downgrade for those that want them though.

 

deathmasks: controvertial, but I think the new ones look miles better when compared side by side.

 

bare heads: new ones look exceptionally nice, old ones were good for their time though.

 

banner: the old ones had the chapter banner. That was AWESOME. The new ones have a banner that makes more sense for jump troops. I think the new ones are technically better but I love the old banner and will be sad to see it go... probably something to put on a bladeguard ancient or something instead maybe?

 

I honestly think the new ones are better overall after looking at them side by side, but i do still have little niggles I'd like to change. To me they LOOK like sanguinary guard still thanks to the armour designs, and as a fairly proficient sculpter and being more than capable of casting the odd little adornment, I feel I can do things like add wings to one of the chest pieces, or remove the cables on the torsos and replace with obliques competantly. The fact I feel the need to do so shows that I don't think the new ones are perfect BUT they're a solid update for me.

I am confident the 3rd party market will provide alternative jump packs and melee weapons and probably helmets REAL fast. Most of the ones I've seen so far didn't look better to me, but I'm sure some will come.

 

EDIT:

 

Something the new ones would have benefitted from, is three distinct torsos and 3 distinct death masks. Even that alone would have likely had people liking them more I suspect (and I do think had they had winged jump packs a lot more people would have just liked them immediately too - I even saw someone saying an intercessor sergeant with the old backpack looked better than the new set... which is dumb when it didn't have single piece of the artificer armour in sight).

Edited August 13 by Blindhamster

[Alternis]

 

Where did this cherub model rumor come from? I don’t recall ever hearing anything about that before now.

One of Valraks older rumours, attached with the first information we got regarding a new Lemartes & Astaroth. 
 

he’s since feigned he ever said this, but I think it’s more ‘keeping things tight lipped’ just in case. 
 

but this was an earlier rumour, not a recent one. 

 

 

That’s the three models in the box, but that doesn’t mean the unit will cap at a max of 3. 

I tried to edit this post earlier but the Site/Phone glitched and it clearly didn’t post. 
 

what I would have said was….

 

each divergent chapter seems to be moving in a direction of > Each supplement gets a unique BGV style honour guard unit, 1 per divergent.

 

Base Codex > BGV (3-6)

Dark Angels > Inner Circle Companions (3-6) 

Blood Angels > Sanguinary Guard (3-6)

Space Wolves (Best Guess) > Wulfen style guard unit (3-6)

 

they seem to be styled and built specifically to guard the chapter master and play best, when attached to said Chapter Master, Azrael, Dante, Calgar, etc

 

however, each one of these units seems to have some sort of connection with the respective Primarch

 

BGV = Primaris, Created by Guilliman’s plans 

 

ICC = Redeemed Fallen, Act under the specific command of Lion El Johnson

 

SG = Am iconic role previously the honour guard to Sanguinius himself

 

Wulfen = Survivors of the 13th Great Company they disappeared into the eye of terror with Leman Russ, now being found back in real space and scattered.