Sanguinor and Sanguinary Guard

[Mostwanted]

I get more frustrated with the Sanguinary Guard the more I look at them.

 

Why are all 3 of the Death Masks the same? Based on the lore, they are made to resemble like the likeness of their fallen battle brothers. So they should all be different in appearance.

 

As Orion and others have already mentioned, could we not have had a bit of variety in armour design between the 3 models? Surely the designers could have given is 3 different chest designs.

 

Why is there no iconography on the legs like the original kit had that would make them more interesting?

 

They are supposed to be our most elite troops and they look so boring. I didn't want them dripping with detail but come on, a little something extra on each model would have helped.

 

It also really bugs my why the inferno pistol isn't wrist mounted like the Angelus bolters are.

 

I don't mind getting a smaller banner in this kit, as a full sized one always looked a but unwealdy being carried by a jump pack troop. But the design on it is again, so boring. On the Warhammer Community article it says that they hold "fluttering banners from the chapters earliest days". With how artistic the Blood Angels are meant to be and being an old relic, surely they would have a more ornate design than what we've been given?

 

I also don't particularly like the poses on these but I can't put my finger on why. Something looks a bit awkward with the model holding the power sword straight up.

 

To end on on a positive, I really do like the bare heads and the spears look great. Also, the Captain, oohhh that's a nice model!

[Petitioner's City]

Now if only joytoy could shrink these recent releases...

 

 

Edited August 14 by Petitioner's City

[TheArtilleryman]

 

Now if only joytoy could shrink these recent releases...

 

 

I think we all just need bigger gaming tables tbh …

[Blindhamster]

I bits ordered Dante’s chest,

 

im going to make a mold and replace one of their chests with that, im also going to do another where its a different design.

 

Will also make a copy of the captain greave and hopefully use that on at least one, plus cut blood drops off the old knives to go on the legs on a different one.

 

it sucks that it’s necessary, but I will make each of mine look different.

 

I’ll probably go with bare heads, because I can. But I think even things as simple as adjusting the forehead decoration on the helms would make them look distinct.

 

ill be keeping the jump packs though, I like those and they’ll look better with Dante than the wings did

[Kallas]

 

I think we all just need bigger gaming tables tbh …

The scale creep is getting out of hand 

[Blindhamster]

I think kill team at joy toy scale would be pretty awesome tbh. Use an entire room and make it like “toy soldiers” (showing my age)

[jaxom]

 

the more choice you give a human, the more indecision we make, too much choice overwhelms us and slows us down.  Now this is totally wrong in our hobby, we want as much variety as we can get for our hard earned money we give to GW.

Personally, I agree; though I know people who were very happy when GW started its “build the box as is” because they are prone to analysis paralysis (and in one case an anxiety condition).

 

 

Perhaps GW is going for a different theme with this kit. These aren't old suits, cobbled together from cannibalised bits and pieces of historic suits. 

“Time to promote more Sanguinary Guard. Where’s the relic gear?” 
“In a carnifex’s stomach, that zoanthrope atomized some, and we macrocannoned a termagant horde that was on top of three more.”

”Huh, time to break out the old Dawnbreaker equipment. I wonder if Cawl has any armor in gold?”

[FarFromSam]

Whew, one of the few times it's good to be a Dark Angel's  player.  Bland.  Primaris usually nails infantry.  Well, regular infantry.  Not terrible, but what a missed chance.  At least there's Lemartes

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

No, I shouldn't have to pay an extra $15 per box. You're telling me they can do 10 different helmets and 5 different torsos, but now suddenly they have to charge more?

I'm not even asking for more torsos, I'm asking for some variety, however small. Why is GW suddenly unable to provide that? Why does every space marine in the squad have to be cookie cutter? It's bad enough for intercessors, but for 3 dudes in artificer armour it's getting ridiculous.

Same for weapons and helmets.

 

You can be dismissive about it, but it doesn't make me wrong.

You're saying people's complaints are invalid when they aren't, because it can be backed up with basic facts that we all have access to.

Yes they do, because the people in charge aren’t the same people and the company is all about profits, they don’t give a flying about you or if you’re happy and having fun with their kits, their new standard is to put as little into a kit as possible while charging as much as possible to make more money.

 

this is part of the reason I’m pretty happy with taking a break from the game again. 

 

 

 

Before you took units of 5 or 10. There was a duplicate of each torso.

Now you take units of 3 or 6. Again, there are duplicates. Nothing has changed here, the unit is simply smaller.

 

We knew it would be ahead of time too. 

 

There is less helmets variety but the bare heads are objectively better, and the models in general have better poses and proportions. 

 

I'm looking at the original Sanguinary guard a lot these last few days due to the complaints. I think an element of nostalgia is at play - the old kit is not some example of perfected artistic expression. The bolters on the wrist are far too big, some of the leg poses look like they've been riding a horse a bit too long, and the proportions are way off as is common with the older kits.

It’s almost 100% nostalgia.

 

the knee pads on old SG are horrid looking.

the reverse grip on the two handed sword doesn’t look good or make any sense on any combination of legs and torsos.

 

people in BA community are extremely adverse to anything new or being changed, until it becomes nostalgic. Sanguinor and astorath were both controversial when first introduced, but now they’re extremely beloved.

 

btw found one of the old SG knee pads just hanging out in my kitchen!

[CL_Mission]

 

Sanguinor and astorath were both controversial when first introduced, but now they’re extremely beloved.

 

I'm looking forward to when Wulfen get similar treatment to the Sanguinary guard here and everyone starts pretending they weren't a laughing stock on release.

[crimsondave]

 

Yes they do, because the people in charge aren’t the same people and the company is all about profits, they don’t give a flying about you or if you’re happy and having fun with their kits, their new standard is to put as little into a kit as possible while charging as much as possible to make more money.

 

this is part of the reason I’m pretty happy with taking a break from the game again. 

Well, hard to argue with any of that.  If consumers don’t vote with their wallet we’ll continue to get “meh.”  Doesn’t look like Inquisition is flying off the shelves.  Of course they’ll just take that to mean Inquisition isn’t popular and squat the range next edition.  BAs are popular so that can’t happen there.  However, I’d say the chances of BAs not selling are slim to none.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

Well, hard to argue with any of that.  If consumers don’t vote with their wallet we’ll continue to get “meh.”  Doesn’t look like Inquisition is flying off the shelves.  Of course they’ll just take that to mean Inquisition isn’t popular and squat the range next edition.  BAs are popular so that can’t happen there.  However, I’d say the chances of BAs not selling are slim to none.

Yep, and boycotts can work.

im not sure it was intentional boycotts, but rather people being priced out of goods, but here in the US BK and McDonald’s are reintroducing $5 meal options(like 4 items, not just the smallest 2 things) and Walmart and target are lowering prices on a bunch of goods.

 

i remember when I came back and started complaining about the pricing and how 3 models was $50+. A bunch of people here and on another forum both told me if I’m too poor to play to just go away.

 

i still maintain that GW made the new prosecutors with the SG already modeled and their whole plan is to get us to buy both kits if we want GW wings on our SG.

[crimsondave]

 

Yep, and boycotts can work.

im not sure it was intentional boycotts, but rather people being priced out of goods, but here in the US BK and McDonald’s are reintroducing $5 meal options(like 4 items, not just the smallest 2 things) and Walmart and target are lowering prices on a bunch of goods.

 

i remember when I came back and started complaining about the pricing and how 3 models was $50+. A bunch of people here and on another forum both told me if I’m too poor to play to just go away.

 

i still maintain that GW made the new prosecutors with the SG already modeled and their whole plan is to get us to buy both kits if we want GW wings on our SG.

 

That would be pretty dirty but it wouldn't shock me.  I figure they'll be 3d print wings for sale all over Etsy by the time these are up for order.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

That would be pretty dirty but it wouldn't shock me.  I figure they'll be 3d print wings for sale all over Etsy by the time these are up for order.

Yep, I mean I’m pretty sure there already are a bunch of 3d wing files available, but I’m sure there will be more soon.

 

for GW it’s a win-win. Either they get $60 for a box of SG, and $60 for a box of prosecutors. Or they just sell you a $60 SG kit where they saved money in production by not wasting money on making wings that were at least minorly controversial.

[INKS]

 

I think kill team at joy toy scale would be pretty awesome tbh. Use an entire room and make it like “toy soldiers” (showing my age)

there was a youtube channel that did this. they did marine vs marine because it's the easiest and it was about a year ago I think. it was pretty awesome.

 

 

Yep, I mean I’m pretty sure there already are a bunch of 3d wing files available, but I’m sure there will be more soon.

 

for GW it’s a win-win. Either they get $60 for a box of SG, and $60 for a box of prosecutors. Or they just sell you a $60 SG kit where they saved money in production by not wasting money on making wings that were at least minorly controversial.

not sure it's minorly controversial on the wings. some people certain did not like them but a lot of people did.

[Orange Knight]

Imagine if, after all the complaints about the Sanguinor playing it too safe, GW decide to go the other way with the Space Wolves and double down on the pelts and wolfiness.

 

I hope you're all ready for Wulfen riding Thunder wolves.

[Blindhamster]

 

there was a youtube channel that did this. they did marine vs marine because it's the easiest and it was about a year ago I think. it was pretty awesome.

 

not sure it's minorly controversial on the wings. some people certain did not like them but a lot of people did.

there was definitely enough people that didn't like the wings, even this thread has had plenty of people saying they were happy to see the wings go (me included).

 

[DemonGSides]

Losing the wings is one of the positives. 

[brother_b]

If you don’t like what you see, vote with your wallet! Wings and nipples 2024.

 

Make Sanguinary Guard Great Again. 

[phandaal]

 

for GW it’s a win-win. Either they get $60 for a box of SG, and $60 for a box of prosecutors. Or they just sell you a $60 SG kit where they saved money in production by not wasting money on making wings that were at least minorly controversial.

 

Yeah, when people complain about how much the models suck, then respond that they are going to buy them anyway so they can convert the models with even more models, all GW hears is the cash register going *ding*.

 

[Joe]

I mean, the people that are active on Bolter & Chainsword and wider social media communities are the slim minority anyway. If five people here start screaming "boycott" and dragging their finger nails down a chalk board when the models go on pre-order, hundreds if not thousands of other customers have already bought them because they either don't mind the re-design at all, want them anyway but don't like the re-design or are new enough to the hobby that the older Sanguinary Guard haven't really popped onto their radar at all.

 

 

Edited August 14 by Joe
hoppy to hobby

[phandaal]

 

If five people here start screaming "boycott" and dragging their finger nails down a chalk board when the models go on pre-order

 

This is an uncharitable way to describe people who are just sharing their opinions. Do you personally start screaming when you want to convey a message? I know I do not, and assume you do not either.

 

People here might read my posts and think I am strongly against all kinds of things GW does (and I do think a lot of what they are doing is not great), but mainly I am strongly in favor of people being able to say they dislike things without having other people jump down their throats about it.

[Joe]

 

This is an uncharitable way to describe people who are just sharing their opinions.

 

It was a bit implicit, wasn't it? If you prefer we can start calling people out a bit more directly - soothe the soul and all on. Joking aside, opinions are fine; the issue is where people are using them as a bludgeon or treating them as factual.

 

At the end of the day there's nothing of value to be shared in the constant back-and-forth whinging and grumbling that's dressed up as a discussion like three children in a trenchcoat trying to sneak into the cinema. Make a critique and move on. It's bad enough seeing others that are saying "hey, I like this" being pounced on and told that they are wrong.*

*Not strictly B&C, but a wider issue around this release.

[MoriyaSchism]

 

complaint- they’re not artisanal and are bland.

fact- you’ve got a death mask, muscular armor, baubles in multiple places, unique weapons with wings and blood drops.

My complaint isn't that they aren't artisanal, this is my complaint:

The face that's supposed to be a death mask is weird and soft looking with a wide flat nose while the death mask of the old kit is the sharp and stern looking visage of Sanguinius. I can't even tell who that's supposed to be on the new version. Everything about it feels off. It's like some angry guy doing the Zoolander pout.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

there was a youtube channel that did this. they did marine vs marine because it's the easiest and it was about a year ago I think. it was pretty awesome.

 

not sure it's minorly controversial on the wings. some people certain did not like them but a lot of people did.

Based on this topic alone as a small sample size there’s something like 3-4 people who seem to have hated the wings, out of a dozen or fewer commenters. That’s like 25-33%. That’s at least minorly controversial