Sanguinor and Sanguinary Guard

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

My complaint isn't that they aren't artisanal, this is my complaint:

The face that's supposed to be a death mask is weird and soft looking with a wide flat nose while the death mask of the old kit is the sharp and stern looking visage of Sanguinius. I can't even tell who that's supposed to be on the new version. Everything about it feels off. It's like some angry guy doing the Zoolander pout.

…SG death masks aren’t masks of sanguinius, only Dante has that.

[INKS]

 

there was definitely enough people that didn't like the wings, even this thread has had plenty of people saying they were happy to see the wings go (me included).

 

Yes I understand there are a number of people HAPPY about the wings being gone. just as many who are not happy. That is what makes it NOT a minority concern. It's all personal preference, so there isn't a right or wrong here, but it does mean it's a controversial decision and not an overly minor one. 

 

 

I mean, the people that are active on Bolter & Chainsword and wider social media communities are the slim minority anyway. If five people here start screaming "boycott" and dragging their finger nails down a chalk board when the models go on pre-order, hundreds if not thousands of other customers have already bought them because they either don't mind the re-design at all, want them anyway but don't like the re-design or are new enough to the hobby that the older Sanguinary Guard haven't really popped onto their radar at all.

 

 

This is very true. they are likely to sell out (I mean the product will sell out) regardless of how we feels here, or how you see people feel on youtube videos or even social media. It's a small subsect of their larger community. And even though people may dislike the models or the direction and so on, FOMO is super real. People will buy and either be content and in some cases happy with the models and or they will convert them. GW knows this, they are not losing out here at all. With ALL of that being said, there is nothing wrong with voicing an opinion of discontent with models they are producing. 

 

 

Based on this topic alone as a small sample size there’s something like 3-4 people who seem to have hated the wings, out of a dozen or fewer commenters. That’s like 25-33%. That’s at least minorly controversial 

You really can't use the small sample size as any sort of measurement on how controversial it is. Regardless of that, losing the wings - pro or con is one of the major complaints from nearly everywhere you look. Keep in mind that any social media, video, B&C are all smaller fractions of the player base at large. 

Edited August 14 by INKS

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

I’ve mentioned this in the topic about the possibility of a SM 2.0 codex.

 

most of the people complaining about how bad these models are will more than likely end up buying all of them, and GW will just keep doing what they’re doing because not a single person making any of the actual important decisions doesn’t care what we say about them or their products online as long as you’re still buying it, and they’ll continue looking for ways to get as much money out of this community as they can.

[MoriyaSchism]

 

…SG death masks aren’t masks of sanguinius, only Dante has that.

Yes, my mistake but my point still stands. I forgot the codex entry from 5th Edition. The 7th Edition codex also say that the masks are a stylized face of the previous owner but these have Mark 10 helmets underneath and the faces have weird soft sculpts with strange small noses and soft features.

Edited August 14 by MoriyaSchism

[Alternis]

My stance on this is 

 

I’ve liked the releases so far. 
 

my dislikes however are the Faces on Sanguinor/Sang guard, and the loss of the Sang guard wings entirely, I mean you could have made them smaller and less obstructive but to remove them entirely is a big loss. 
 

I would have been happy with more subtle cherub wings, but wings embossed on enlarged directional fins just doesnt feel right. 
 

The Sanguinors face out here look like Chad Squidward, whoever designed and painted that needs to be fired, immediately! Summary execution by Commisar. 
 

And I feel like the sang guard masks are just direct copy from something in AOS, lacks that 40K feel in a way. 
 

but apart from that the positives 

 

DC - all thumbs up from me, I know there’s been some push back that it’s lazy and just black painted assault Intercessors and jump Intercessors I mean sure….but tbh they are kamikaze 1 use troops expected to die when sent to war, you wouldn’t expect them to die nor would you give them custom armour, you equipment them with the base Tacitus, colour it up to signify they are DC, give them weapons and unleash them, it’s lore appropriate and I can’t argue with that design choice 

they did good work with Lemartes and Astorath too (again Lemartes face, GW really dropped the ball with faces in BA) 

 

Sanguinor - gorgeous model, well done, my only take backs is the wings should look more natural and artificial and I’ve said my piece about his face, but the model itself apart from that is well worth the purchase, here’s hoping they don’t change his rules too much 

 

Sang Priest - again the model is just well done and it’s one of the few where they did get the face RIGHT, it’s a strong visage of Sanguinius, the posing is right and it’s just such a nod to what it stands for, it’s just a huge shame no more jump packs for Sang priests 

 

BA Captain - As above model is nicely done, again great work with the face both the Captain and Sang priest show the genetic markers for Sanguinius, how they got it right with these two and failed with the Sanguinor and Sang guard is beggars belief, honestly, it’s also got some nice nods to Tycho too and I’m looking forward to seeing how it interacts rules wise 

 

Sang Guard - Ok so I generally like the models despite the flaws and huge flaws they are, it’s the only model out of everything I’m 50/50 on, as a fan of primaris jump units I generally like them, but as a BA purists I can’t get over the loss of the wings, I’m willing to accept the face and design choices with the chest plate but Sang guard are just not Sang guard without the wings, but for posterity sake I will probably get 6 and no more unless their rules are absolutely out the park. 

[Toxichobbit]

 

Please, for the love of God no. 40K fluff has been screwed over enough as it is without undoing one of the most impactful parts of the Horus Heresy.

 

It feels like there's nothing sacred with 40k lore anymore. I'm not saying that the 40k lore team don't care. I would assume as fans of the setting they do. But, either they're just not as good as the folks responsible for older lore (2nd ed onwards) or, more likely, they are just following directives from higher up in the company - from the people who don't give two hoots about the lore and are just chasing profit. I think it's inevitable as 40k becomes more mainstream that the lore will suffer, as some parts are toned down to be more palatable to the general public while other parts that should have been left well alone are changed because of stuff like "Primarchs are money makers". 

 

I hope I'm wrong about this, but I think I'm right. At this point Sanguinius in 40k feels inevitable. Maybe not until they've done all the other Imperial Primarchs, but inevitable none the less. The silver lining is they're not rushing out the Primarchs, so there is that at least. Hopefully it'll be a decade or two before we see Sanguinius return.

[Joe]

 

This is very true. they are likely to sell out regardless of how we feels here, or how you see people feel on youtube videos or even social media. It's a small subsect of their larger community. And even though people may dislike the models or the direction and so on, FOMO is super real. People will buy and either be content and in some cases happy with the models and or they will convert them. GW knows this, they are not losing out here at all. With ALL of that being said, there is nothing wrong with voicing an opinion of discontent with models they are producing. 

 

Whilst I appreciate where you're coming from I think calling them sell-outs isn't really appropriate here - it cheapens the meaning of the word when there's times where it actually matters, and basically just wheels round to buzzwords being thrown into conversations without proper consideration. We're definitely in agreement that a divergence of opinion is fine, however people that like these miniatures really shouldn't be insulted like that. And I should stress I'm not personally a fan of the new Sanguinary Guard (bar like, the weapons, which are great conversion fodder.)

[LSM]

 

Based on this topic alone as a small sample size there’s something like 3-4 people who seem to have hated the wings, out of a dozen or fewer commenters. That’s like 25-33%. That’s at least minorly controversial 

 

I guess add one more, as far as people who disliked the SG wings...

 

However! I specifically disliked the SG wings as they were, and not the concept of wings in general. Their wings were big and bulky, static in a way that looked a bit like someone had strapped a pair of ornate doors to their backs. "If I were designing the new SG", I'd have given them the wing'd jump pack à la the Blood Angels Chaplain. Those wings look good (to me).

 

 

[CL_Mission]

Despite being a New Sanguinary Guard Liker I gotta say whoever painted them did a terrible job on the gold, which is weird because they did a lovely job on the weapons. I was just looking again at Dante and that's a fantastic paint job, it makes me want to learn NMM and paint a host of golden boys in the same way. Then we have the Sanguinor and though I think the painter has emphasised some elements of the face wrong it's another great NMM job overall, maybe not as good as Dante but good. The new captain has been painted in a different style of gold but still looks great, then there's the Sanguinary guard. 

I get that the painter probably didn't have enough time to do them all up to Dante or the Sanguinor's level (I'm guessing it's different painters anyway) or that for a squad they wanted to go for a more standard store look but I'm looking over all the blood angel previews and daydreaming about starting a collection and it really stands out.

[INKS]

 

 

Whilst I appreciate where you're coming from I think calling them sell-outs isn't really appropriate here - it cheapens the meaning of the word when there's times where it actually matters, and basically just wheels round to buzzwords being thrown into conversations without proper consideration. We're definitely in agreement that a divergence of opinion is fine, however people that like these miniatures really shouldn't be insulted like that. And I should stress I'm not personally a fan of the new Sanguinary Guard (bar like, the weapons, which are great conversion fodder.)

I think there is some confusion here. I wasn't calling people sell outs. I was saying that the product will sell out. I would not call someone a sell out just because they like a model I do no. That is wrong and insulting. 

Edit: I have gone back to my post to make it more clear that I meant the product will sell out regardless of opinion on here.

Edited August 14 by INKS

[Joe]

 

I think there is some confusion here. I wasn't calling people sell outs. I was saying that the product will sell out. I would not call someone a sell out just because they like a model I do no. That is wrong and insulting. 

 

Brain fart, ignore me! Read that in a completely different way. Sorry about that INKS - I'm just expecting it from everyone at this stage, rather unfairly it would seem.

[Alternis]

 

Please, for the love of God no. 40K fluff has been screwed over enough as it is without undoing one of the most impactful parts of the Horus Heresy.

Well apologies. 
 

you’ll have to go question both Dan Abnett and Guy Haley for the reason why 

 

Reason #1 - Why Sanguinius death is no longer significant nor pivotal at the height of the heresy, he did nothing to weak Horus, and the Emperor would have faced him at the height of his power, regardless of what Sanguinius did, there is no longer a ‘chink’ in his armour, so it’s not as impactful, was just an amazing fight scene to witness, but this was one of the biggest arguments ‘your camp’ likes to put out there to argue against GW bringing him back, they just removed the basis of that argument. 
 

Reason #2 - Sanguinius soul is in the warp and has been for a while since it left his body (as posited in End and the Death 3 & Darkness in the Blood) it has since been performing acts of miracles (Similar to the emperor in God Blight albeit not as powerful) in bringing Dante back from death, and advising Mephiston on how to cure the legion of the black rage and in doing so become The Black Angel, both of which could not happen if Sanguinius was not in the warp (or was just as shard as per very old lore regarding his psychic echoes on the vengeful spirit which GW no longer acknowledge) 

 

Reason #3 - Yvraine (I think it was in armour of fate, also by Guy Haley) long confirmed that a Primarchs soul isn’t something easily destroyed, we know only another Primarch, the Emperor or Anathema can effectively destroy a Primarchs soul, not even chaos dieties directly can do it, and when their soul leaves their bodies it can and will persist in the warp, depending on how psychically powerful it is (Magnus is living proof of this) this fact is further backed up by the Harlequins in Clonelord by Josh Reynolds, that a Primarchs soul is powerful and can persist despite not being anchored in a body and shines brightly in the warp.

 

 

and just to add a bit of seasoning on this dish I’ve thoroughly prepared for you. 
 

Reason #4 - The visions the emperor showed Lion el Johnson in Lion, Son of the Forest by Mike Brooks. 
Now there’s been some debate about this, but the emperor showed Lion 3 artefacts, A golden spear, A golden chalice with blood, and a Golden candelabra, all 3 of these items hold relevance to the Blood Angels (Spear of Telesto, Chalice of Sanguinius and the Sanguinala Celebration) but some people will argue the spear signifies Russ but no one can decide what the candelabra is relevant too despite it clearly being Sanguinala, when you put all this together there are many parts of the whole, all pointing in 1 direction - Something is going on with Sanguinius.

 

now taking it away from a lore standing, looking at business practice and logistics. 
 

GW is very much putting out a trend, they focus is the big 4 chaos legions, and the big 4 divergent chapters, (not including Guilliman and Abbadon for the moment for base codex wise) 

we will see all 4 chaos Primarchs for each chaos deity, and 4 loyalist Primarchs for each of the divergent chapters.

 

after Leman Russ drops this edition next edition we will see either Dorn or Sanguinius, and the other the edition after, the writing is already written on the walls, people are just choosing not to read it because they are still holding onto old lore.

[DemonGSides]

 

lore appropriate

 

*Citation needed*.

 

The whole point is that they are in the same armor they went crazy in, right?  So they wouldn't have time to undo all the artifice that the Blood Angels are known for (I know some people don't understand what artisans are and how important that focus on art is for the Red Thirst, but surely most people do, especially if you're gonna lean on lore as a reason), so it would make more sense for it to be completely blinged out as a normal blood angels squad would be.  They don't pull the Rage sufferers out of their armor, they paint it black and wrangle em towards an enemy.

 

I had a cool idea to do a DC squad that's made up of different armor marks, and I still might. Gotta find some cheap phobos guys to make it, and they'd have to probably be a foot slogging squad, which I am less interested in; gonna be hard to slap a jump pack on aggressor armor LOL. 

 

Edited August 14 by DemonGSides

[Blindhamster]

Artifice doesn't mean covered in gubbins either though (which the old death company kid and to a lesser extent tactical squad were). Both sets came from a time when more is more. The blood angels aren't emperors children so aren't prone to excess. "completely  blinged out" is not what I think of when I think blood angels. I'd prefer more subtle aristry, more reserved as that fits the character of the blood angels better.

 

Artifice or artistry is as likely to be down to personal PAINTED heraldry as it is sculpted details. Things like the gold transfers of waving designs were very nice for displaying that sort of thing I thought. But even then, artifice would also be represented by things like the sculpted musculature for armour on artificer armour. It technically doesn't need further embelishments to be artisnal.

 

Also, many blood angels don't specifically adorn their wargear with their art, they separate the two things entirely, creating sculptures and paintings for display in the fortress monastary or about their ships.

 

There's a balance to be had for sure, and definitely some things like extra blood drop pendants or chalice pendants to put on the grips of pistols would be nice, some filigree style transfers would also be excellent.

 

fwiw here's some old blood angels from my old firstborn stuff. I considered these to be fairly extreme on the bling department for tactical marines, the sergeant got a bit of sculpting to create some uniqueness (leg bit inspired by space hulk):

Edited August 14 by Blindhamster

[Toxichobbit]

 

I hope you're all ready for Wulfen riding Thunder wolves.

 

Sounds like something that David Attenborough would voice over.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

*Citation needed*.

 

The whole point is that they are in the same armor they went crazy in, right?  So they wouldn't have time to undo all the artifice that the Blood Angels are known for (I know some people don't understand what artisans are and how important that focus on art is for the Red Thirst, but surely most people do, especially if you're gonna lean on lore as a reason), so it would make more sense for it to be completely blinged out as a normal blood angels squad would be.  They don't pull the Rage sufferers out of their armor, they paint it black and wrangle em towards an enemy.

 

I had a cool idea to do a DC squad that's made up of different armor marks, and I still might. Gotta find some cheap phobos guys to make it, and they'd have to probably be a foot slogging squad, which I am less interested in; gonna be hard to slap a jump pack on aggressor armor LOL. 

 

The point being made by the previous poster is that when you paint up JAIs as BA they don’t have fancy armor unless you put 3d printed or first born bits on them.

 

it didn’t make sense that FBDC had so much going on, on their armor, when BA TACs didn’t have remotely that much, and any unit that only had generic kits had absolutely no BA ornamentation to the armor, so a unit falling to the BR magically having way more ornate armor seems kinda silly.

 

i get both sides, in the case of FBDC it was representative of what standard BA armor would actually look like. (Though largely used mine as an upgrade sprue.)

 

and the bit claiming people don’t know what it means to be an artisan or how important it is to the lore, is just self serving BS(I’d love to say more but the mods have been bam happy lately.) literally everyone on the planet will have varying opinions on what it means to be an artisan and what artistry means, and just because some people’s opinions there vary quite a bit from yours doesn’t make yours more correct, or theirs less correct.

 

i can’t recall any official art work that depicts regular marines (non-veterans/officers) that had remotely the same level of decoration and ornamentation as the DC kit.

 

edit 

also these kits are supposed to serve for use for all the successor chapters as well. Last I checked being an artisan wasn’t nearly as important for the flesh tearers as it is for the BA.

 

Blindhamster is right, the lore about BA being artists, says nothing about ALL or even most of their art being related to their wargear.
for my personal successor the artistry is largely kept away from their weapons/armor, and done as separate works of art, much of which is given to the planetary population during Sanguinala.

Edited August 14 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Evil Eye]

 

people are just choosing not to read it because they are still holding onto good lore.

FTFY.

 

Good grief, I hate modern fluff.

[Alternis]

 

FTFY.

 

Good grief, I hate modern fluff.

It was never ‘good’ lore. 
 

it was full of loop holes, inconsistencies, and too many discrepancies on timeline. 
 

Gw have been working very hard recently on tidying this up (the new Seige of Terra stuff was brilliant in this, as was the dawn of fire and most books regarding Guilliman’s actions in recent times as well as the Ordo’s Chronos) 

Things make more sense now, and we have a much better and clearer idea of what’s going on now and what went on back then. 
 

The issue is, there’s a lot of nostalgia players who loved the mysticism the lack of concrete evidence and everything was just head canon, whatever you believed it to be, and that’s completely 100% ok. 
But the storyline was getting stagnant, and needed to be advanced forward and the only way they could do that, is to tidy up all the inconsistencies.

[StrangerOrders]

 

Artifice doesn't mean covered in gubbins either though (which the old death company kid and to a lesser extent tactical squad were). Both sets came from a time when more is more. The blood angels aren't emperors children so aren't prone to excess. "completely  blinged out" is not what I think of when I think blood angels. I'd prefer more subtle aristry, more reserved as that fits the character of the blood angels better.

 

Artifice or artistry is as likely to be down to personal PAINTED heraldry as it is sculpted details. Things like the gold transfers of waving designs were very nice for displaying that sort of thing I thought. But even then, artifice would also be represented by things like the sculpted musculature for armour on artificer armour. It technically doesn't need further embelishments to be artisnal.

 

Also, many blood angels don't specifically adorn their wargear with their art, they separate the two things entirely, creating sculptures and paintings for display in the fortress monastary or about their ships.

 

There's a balance to be had for sure, and definitely some things like extra blood drop pendants or chalice pendants to put on the grips of pistols would be nice, some filigree style transfers would also be excellent.

 

 

Well fluff wise they do both of those things. Alot.

 

They paint their wargear fancy, they sculpt their armour fancy and they also create an endless array of gobbins, to use a term I am not familiar with, fancy.

 

And its very much discussed at length, its because they seem to feel the need to be 'clean' and pretty and overdone because ever since Sangi met them the BA have either gone insane (cough fleshtearers cough) or are still desperately scrubbing at bloodstains only they can see.

 

I know fluff doesn't hold alot of weight these days but I find it a wonderful and core part of the BA's identity that they put on a brilliant and shiny appearance cover over their nature. They SHOULD be overdone because we are beat over the head in every single piece of their lore that they desperately feel the need to be. Even Seth and his precious boys have massive 'I totally don't care, can you not SEE how much I don't care? Wait seriously, I need you to acknowledge that I don't care' energy.

 

Its also why I think folks are missing the point of fancy Death Company. They are the living manifestation of the smear on their collective psyche, it'd be weirder if their brothers DIDNT plaster them over in fanciness while they are restrained in an attempt to bury the ugly reality. It doesn't even seem to especially be about the greater Imperium, they seem to need to do it for themselves.

 

But I think, and I don't mean to be mean, some folks want things to be very surface level (ironically).

 

Case in point, the point of the EC's excess being from being crushed by their own ridiculous self-imposed standards and their hubris being a desperate defense mechanism is usually ignored in favor of the Upper-Class Twit look. Which is hilarious because that trope basically emerged from actual nobility desperately trying to cover for their usually inglorious origins.

 

...You know its sort of funny but I never realized that most of the more interesting facets of Space Marines stems from insane demigods trying desperately to cover for flaws that only debatably exist if at all. Big E's bloodline runs on imposter syndrome lol.

Edited August 14 by StrangerOrders

[Alternis]

 

 my personal successor the artistry is largely kept away from their weapons/armor, and done as separate works of art, much of which is given to the planetary population during Sanguinala.

This is majorly been the point, Blood Angels are not emperors children, they are very humble and noble as a chapter and aren’t going around trying to show off all the Sangy bling. 
 

but DC as a whole it would be a waste to throw away artificer armour and valuable relics of the chapter on them, it makes way more sense for them to be in painted basic armour and sent out. 
 

also we didn’t get Sanguinala last year! 

[phandaal]

 

The issue is, there’s a lot of nostalgia players who loved the mysticism the lack of concrete evidence and everything was just head canon, whatever you believed it to be, and that’s completely 100% ok.

 

To be honest, I never heard people talking about "everything is canon, everything is unreliable" until recent times, when justifying unpopular changes to the lore.

 

Maybe people did talk about it more in the old days and we just did not hear about it, but it really does seem like something that people lean on for modern lore more than anything else.

 

Also, we should distinguish "significant within the lore" from "significant to the fictional universe and its fans." Sanguinius dying and being dead is a foundational aspect of the universe. It is significant not only to Blood Angels Enjoyers, but as something that anchors the main jumping-off point for the universe.

 

Horus killed Sanguinius and then nearly killed the Emperor. Sanguinius' death can be rewritten as "he got stomped and it didn't even influence the outcome of the final battle" (because we have to be extra bleak and grimdark) but the significance of his death as a lynchpin of the fictional universe is separate. Sanguinius being dead and gone from the material realm matters.

[Scribe]

 

To be honest, I never heard people talking about "everything is canon, everything is unreliable" until recent times, when justifying unpopular changes to the lore.

 

This has been the supposed GW position for a long long time. I've always hated it.

[StrangerOrders]

 

 

To be honest, I never heard people talking about "everything is canon, everything is unreliable" until recent times, when justifying unpopular changes to the lore.

 

Maybe people did talk about it more in the old days and we just did not hear about it, but it really does seem like something that people lean on for modern lore more than anything else.

 

Also, we should distinguish "significant within the lore" from "significant to the fictional universe and its fans." Sanguinius dying and being dead is a foundational aspect of the universe. It is significant not only to Blood Angels Enjoyers, but as something that anchors the main jumping-off point for the universe.

 

Horus killed Sanguinius and then nearly killed the Emperor. Sanguinius' death can be rewritten as "he got stomped and it didn't even influence the outcome of the final battle" (because we have to be extra bleak and grimdark) but the significance of his death as a lynchpin of the fictional universe is separate. Sanguinius being dead and gone from the material realm matters.

I will say that I appreciate his ghost hanging around seemingly just to make sure Dante can't embrace the sweet release of death.

 

As much as I generally dislike plot armour, there is something charming about that sad old man desperately begging for death only to be denied and being forced to deal with mounting depression and imposter syndrome. Worse, he keeps getting promoted to make it even worse, that some of his subordinates know this and don't even try to mitigate this makes it even better.

 

Its just sublime.

Edited August 14 by StrangerOrders

[Alternis]

 

 

To be honest, I never heard people talking about "everything is canon, everything is unreliable" until recent times, when justifying unpopular changes to the lore.

 

Maybe people did talk about it more in the old days and we just did not hear about it, but it really does seem like something that people lean on for modern lore more than anything else.

 

Also, we should distinguish "significant within the lore" from "significant to the fictional universe and its fans." Sanguinius dying and being dead is a foundational aspect of the universe. It is significant not only to Blood Angels Enjoyers, but as something that anchors the main jumping-off point for the universe.

 

Horus killed Sanguinius and then nearly killed the Emperor. Sanguinius' death can be rewritten as "he got stomped and it didn't even influence the outcome of the final battle" (because we have to be extra bleak and grimdark) but the significance of his death as a lynchpin of the fictional universe is separate. Sanguinius being dead and gone from the material realm matters.

A lot of this was heavy brought into question when they opened up the ‘future sight’ plot device. 
 

It’s quite possible the emperor long foresaw Sanguinius death and had plans put in place to prepare for this in the 42nd millenium (I think that’s where we are now?) Abbadon doing what he did has made the impossible, possible, as what Sanguinius said recently in talk with his sons. 
 

so Sanguinius returning is not completely off the cards and people must keep an open mind about this. 
 

also it’s a big pay day for GW when they do

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

It was never ‘good’ lore. 
 

it was full of loop holes, inconsistencies, and too many discrepancies on timeline. 
 

Gw have been working very hard recently on tidying this up (the new Seige of Terra stuff was brilliant in this, as was the dawn of fire and most books regarding Guilliman’s actions in recent times as well as the Ordo’s Chronos) 

Things make more sense now, and we have a much better and clearer idea of what’s going on now and what went on back then. 
 

The issue is, there’s a lot of nostalgia players who loved the mysticism the lack of concrete evidence and everything was just head canon, whatever you believed it to be, and that’s completely 100% ok. 
But the storyline was getting stagnant, and needed to be advanced forward and the only way they could do that, is to tidy up all the inconsistencies.

Idk if I like knowing what happened in the in universe past tbh.

i was excited when the HH books started but now I feel like it should have remained a time of myth shrouded in the fog of mystery.

The inconsistencies in the lore also just felt…right for the setting.