Sanguinor and Sanguinary Guard

[Nephaston]

 

Sanguinor looks decent but the head feels off.

Might be the non metallic metal paint job. The way GW does them rarely looks good to me.

 

[caladancid]

Sanguinary Guard are one of the hardest misses from GW in many years. Why would you take one of the most iconic parts of a unit, and force it onto something like fins? That makes no sense whatsoever.

[Bouargh]

Overall models are OK but there are missing a little something the previous ones got. I feel like they are, hum, "ordinary". Nice but not exceptionals. Yet tastes are so personnal.

 

For the Guard, the Spears looks like a great stuff. Getting 3 models per box, less fun probably (if they are by 3)

The Sanguinor is probably the less attractive mini IMHO. We so such great AoS Models such as Celestan Prime or Yndrasta that I would have expected the same level of treatment for the Sanguinor: an almost daemonic psychic shard of the Sons of Sanguinus deserved something more spectacular...   

[phandaal]

 

Sanguinor’s face looks like a young Noel Edmond’s…

 

Looks like an ape with a wig. 

 

Those Sanguinary Guard though... Ouch! My condolences.

[Indy Techwisp]

 

The chin does look a little odd, like her has a beard or chin strap but maybe that's the paint job/angle??

 

They seem to have gained a Beard on their helmet.

 

Also RE: Sangy Guard, if you've got left over wings from the old Sangy Guard (or a way to get hold of some), it looks like you shouldn't have much issue putting those wings on the new jump packs, right?

 

I think what's more notable for them is that they seem to be a unit of 3 now.

[MoriyaSchism]

The Sanguinary Guard look awful and the fact there is only three of them in the box is terrible. The death mask helmets on these look terrible, the poses are terrible and the new jump pack is awful. They also got rid of the Glaive Encarmine, replaced with a generic Primaris power sword but with a blood drop on it this time. The Angelus Bolter looks alright, but that's the only positive thing I have to say.

Edited August 12 by MoriyaSchism

[aa.logan]

Anyone else seeing massive breasts on the Sanguinor and Sanguinary Guard? It’s most likely just the paint job but they look like they’ve got huge norks to me.

 

[Kharn13]

 

The Sanguinor is fine, not going to win any awards for me but still fine.

The Sanguinary Guard on the other are even worse than I thought and I already came to terms with them losing their wings since that has been in the rumours for a while now.
But they look like somebody just kitbashed Stormcast together with Jump Intercessor and called it a day, they are just missing any flavor for me.
Just look at the Inner Circle Compansions as the DA equivalent and they scream DA to me. These do not do the same for BA

 
Exactly that, all of the other “honour guard” 3-man units look on point (Bladeguard, Companions, Eightbound, Deathshroud). These look bad in comparison.

[Sergeant Centurion]

I found the SG boring, the previus helmets was better designed for me. The lack of exesice wings changed for this fings, nah dont like them, i hope at last they come 5 in a box and not only 3.

[Borbarad]

 

 They seem a bit uncannily thicc in a way the old ones didn't? 

 

You say it; like it’s a bad thing 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Joking aside, i like them. Especially the fact that they got rid of the silly wings. 

[CL_Mission]

 

 

They seem to have gained a Beard on their helmet.

From this angle it looks like a normal chin but the painter has over-emphasised the line under the bottom lip so they look more separated. I recon if you painted more subtly it would look much better.

[Blindhamster]

Sanguinor is really nice I think, though I’m not totally sold on the wing design, the old ones were nicer on both Astorath and the Sanguinor IMO, new ones are a bit too sharp and angular - though it does make it clear they’re armour/decoration I guess.

 

i don’t think the sanguinor has a beard, i think the nmm paint job is letting the model down there tbh. 
 

but yeah i think he’s pretty nice as far as faithful updates go - similar to astorath. I like the sword and the muscle armour. I like that they didn’t go too crazy on mkX design language, though the inclusion for the jump pack is a shame imo - where would Jen have gotten the new one from? I suppose if he is a psychic manifestation and there’s now a lot of primaris marines it could be explained as that…

 

 

sanguinary guard. Hmm.

 

i like both head options and really like the swords and spears (much more than the axes, which I always hated). I like the jump packs, they’re exactly what I expected tbh, and I’m fine w it h them over the winged ones personally. I also like the armour and armour loin cloth bits.

 

i think they might be the first primaris unit I’d be tempted to avoid the waist decoration though, I think that is what is giving them the chunky look.

one thing I’m annoyed by, is the waist/abs on the third one in the group shot. It has undone a me of the best things about modern primaris in that the abdominal area doesn’t properly line up with the belt. At which point they might as well be ball/socket jointed as it looks as dumb as that does when you twist the body too much on classic marine kits.

 

overall I like both a lot, but I’m not wowed by either in the same way I was with the captain and priest.

 

[Burni]

For me, GW did 'Primaris in motion' so well with the plain assault intercessors but since then they've really whiffed it. All the jump pack guys in the last year or so have looked really static, like they practicing balancing on one foot on rocks.

[beefeb]

No wings, banner changed from a work of art to a strip of cloth, no feathered shoulder pads, no nipples......Sang Guard got an extreme downgrade.  Not in and of themselves bad models....but an utter step down in terms of its beauty as a model, and not in keeping with established lore.

 

Box goes from 5 to 3 models!

 

So Abnett downgraded Sanuinius's death from a heroic noble sacrifice that caused a weakness in Horus's armour to a humiliating and meaningless beatdown which achieved nothing, and now GW have take all of the beauty and soul out of an iconic unit.

 

Sucks to be a blood angel!!!!

Edited August 12 by beefeb

[Indy Techwisp]

I do wonder how much of the anger/disgust aimed at The Sanguinor and the Sangy Guard stems simply from the fact that they're Primaris now?

 

Regardless, they are by far not the worst Primaris Marine sculpt and certainly nowhere close to how poor the Coteaz model is.

 

Yes, the lack of wings is an issue and yes, The Sanguinor apparently forgot to shave, but both can realistically be solved with some spare bitz, plastic cement, a pair of clippers, and some outside the box thinking.

 

As some people have said, the Stormcast have pretty good heads to swap onto here if you think the vibes are off for the offical models and the old Sangy Guard wings can probably be put onto the jump packs without too much issue (I think there's already posts on the BA reddit from a while back about kitbashing Primaris Sangy Guard using the JPAI kit in the same manner).

 

Essentially, out of the entire new wave of BA stuff, only the Sangy Guard feel like a really mistep and it's a problem that's very much fixable.

[DemonGSides]

 

 
Exactly that, all of the other “honour guard” 3-man units look on point (Bladeguard, Companions, Eightbound, Deathshroud). These look bad in comparison.

 

I'm not as critical of the SG, I think they're fine.

 

But compared to the absolute bangers that are ICC, Blade guard and Death shroud, they're sad. Just slightly fancier JAI. 

 

A bummer. I like the spears. 

 

Sangy Guard stems simply from the fact that they're Primaris now?

 

None. I like most of the Primaris stuff. These are just boring for something that's supposed to be more exciting. 

[Jukkiz]

sanguinor feels like he has double chin with that "helmet strap"

Edited August 12 by Jukkiz

[thesarge44]

 

I was expecting something a bit more centrepiecey from the Sanguinor, for him to almost be the BA's counterpart to Guilliman and Jonson in terms of size. It's fine though, if not exactly inspiring.

 

The Sanguinary Guard however... my first reaction is that they are a Coteaz-level downgrade. Let's hope my opinion softens after multiple viewings.

 

I don't think they're Coteaz level bad but definetly a downgrade. Thing is, they're not far off, just add some bling on them, give them the wings, the big banner and some adornments on thier greaves/shoulder pads and they'd be fine. As they are, they really do resemble stormcast. I don't know why they're allergic to distinguishing BA. I thought with the Dark Angels stuff being stellar we'd be at the end of primaris ranges being multi-coloured Ultramarines but these Sang Guard really do look like Jump Pack Marines with slightly carved armour. Guess Gabriel Seth was right. Between this and the lackluster Death Company Upgrade Sprue (The second dissapointing Upgrade sprue for DC btw) they've turned this blood angel release into a miss for me personally. Character models are sweet though. 

 

Going to be doubly annoying when SW come out with thier primarch and wolf pelts and such. Why has BA been so lackluster compared to DA and SW. 

 

Also think their may need to be a conversation about the 40k model lines quality at some point. While the SG aren't as bad as Coteaz, they do look off a little. Coteaz is an abomination, the nerf launcher primaris, the chaos lord released a little while bad looked a little too AoS as well, they must have some new people sculpting some of the 40k stuff or something right? Defintive aesthetic change somewhere i feel. Aos, Lord of the Rings and HH doesn't seem to have these issues.

[Wormwoods]

On one hand, I feel like what's missing from the masks, for me, is the unique designs from the old set. Them all being the same face with the same decoration isn't working for me. I like some being spiky, some being more or less ornate. The models themselves are less detailed and ornate, but that's an upside for me. I don't collect Blood Angels, I collect a successor. The less baked in, BA-specific iconography the better, means I can do my own. I just wish the overall aesthetic was a little more... Distinct? 

 

It's not a great sign that I'm considering just adding jetpacks to some Bladeguard. 

[Noserenda]

Sanguinor is a solid but uninspired upgrade, happy they didnt wreck him like the Sang guard here though that rumoured Primarch version would have been sweeeeet.

Poor Sanguinary guard though, even prepping myself after hearing they were dull its still disappointing. Like not even actively bad, just low mid. 

Spears are a great option at least.

[No Foes Remain]

I too think the Sanguinor is a bit... boring? They basically just used his old pose and gave him a Primaris jump back (does that even make sense in-verse? I'll bow to BA player's knowledge in this bit), I was hoping for a bit more actiony pose to reflect the desperate times that the BA find themselves in.

 

The Sanguinary guard.... I'd consider these a downgrade from the previous sculpts. The heads look too uncanny valley with the Stormcast ones, and like a few others have commented their chests look a little too big? Unless it's the angle of the photos they have taken. I'm also sad to see the big cool wings gone and instead replaced by those silly flaps on the packs. The crispness of the models is nice, the legs and arms look quite good and I will be wanting some of those weapons for some 30k BA allies at some point as they look amazing.

[Chapter Master Valrak]

  

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[apostle85]

 

 

 

 

but yeah i think he’s pretty nice as far as faithful updates go - similar to astorath. I like the sword and the muscle armour. I like that they didn’t go too crazy on mkX design language, though the inclusion for the jump pack is a shame imo - where would Jen have gotten the new one from? I suppose if he is a psychic manifestation and there’s now a lot of primaris marines it could be explained as that…

 

 

 

 

 

 

After having looked at him for a bit longer, I’m in overall agreement here, if I understand it correctly and the Sanguinor is a psychic manifestation/imperial daemon more organic wings rather than a winged jump pack would make more sense to me. 
Astaroth having inorganic/decorative wings doesn’t bother me as he is just a man at the end of the day (in so much that an astartes could be said to be just a man)

[Indy Techwisp]

 

None. I like most of the Primaris stuff. These are just boring for something that's supposed to be more exciting. 

 

I do agree they're not the most exciting Primaris models.

[LemartestheLost]

Not a single axe or jump pack wings for the SG is sacrilegious IMO. The guy with the spear also looks like he’s swinging on stripper pole. Definitely a downgrade to the old kit. I absolutely love the new Sanguinor, though. A very faithful rendition of the old model.