Sanguinor and Sanguinary Guard

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Honestly i get the feeling a lot of the hate for this wave of releases is a result of people hyping up new models and things simply not living up to what they imagined.

 

hope is the first step on the road to disappoint.

[Scribe]

 

Honestly i get the feeling a lot of the hate for this wave of releases is a result of people hyping up new models and things simply not living up to what they imagined.

 

hope is the first step on the road to disappoint.

 

Or, they are just underwhelming. I mean good models get praise just look at the Kill Teams response.

 

These models are meh. Simple as that.

[Blindhamster]

 

 

Or, they are just underwhelming. I mean good models get praise just look at the Kill Teams response.

 

These models are meh. Simple as that.

 

except they aren't meh to everyone. Its been interesting watching things like the blood angels facebook group, where as time goes on, I see more people saying "I like them", and its mostly the same people posting that they dont across multiple posts.

The huge difference between this release and the kill team one is the level of hype and expectation involved. Blood Angels are one of the most popular factions and this update has been long anticipated by many of us, with expectations and hopes tending to skyrocket (and further inflated by hype creating videos from certain youtubers).

 

Don't get me wrong, its far from a perfect release, but its still much better than a meh one.

 

- upgrade sprue: If you like bare heads, its really awesome, if you like helmets, it kinda sucks. The templar one was marginally better for helmets (whopping 2! vs our 1). Outside of that, that upgrade sprue really was an expectation thing. We had a clear structure/pattern to expect with it and it was pretty damn consistent (I did a breakdown in another thread comparing to the DA one, we have more weapons in ours than they did, we even have more unique weapons in ours than they did, we have a comparible number of little baubles and vehicle icons and slightly more backpack icons too, we dont have anything bike related which is no surprise, we didn't get anything jump pack related, which is also probably no surprise but for sure sad. Importantly, the people expecting more wanted deathwatch pads, or they wanted other ornate pads, but that really was never in the scope considering the chapter pads for various other armour types that were always going ot be in there.. ergo expectations).

- Lemartes: Undeniably an excellent sculpt, full of character also. He's quite different from his last model, but lets face it, his last one was similarly different from the one before, and whilst I love the last one, it was very very generic overall, where this one is quite unique looking. Whats also funny is the main complaint about him (he's not like the last one, is hillariously inverse echoed with the next two... because human nature). Broadly speaking though, the response was positive.

- Astorarth: Solid update of the last version, the mask looks more like a mask now than before (it clearly was before, but so many people didn't paint it as one anyway). Stayed very close to the original, including the awkward arm positioning, personally I'm hoping the arms attach in a way that the axe position can be tweaked a little. Losing the nipples is a bit weird, especially as Mephiston kept his lol. Regardless, the old one was tiny (even at time of release) and flimsy. Some people will miss the scrolls he was held up on, others won't. Peoples main complaint has been the reverse of Lemartes, he's too much like the original. Again broadly speaking, people like and want him.

- Sanguinor: Basically as above. very true to the original, overall an excellent if unadventurous update. Peoples big disappointment again comes from expectations here. So many people had hyped up the idea of Sanguinor as a mini primarch, as some huge over the top center piece model. He isn't. He could have been if they wanted, but it was never anything other than people hyping up and hoping for something with no evidence. As a result: Disappointment. One thing that remains to be seen.. is how the head actually is. The 'Eavy Metal paintjob does it absolutely no favours... however it may well be a lot better than it seems. If not, the one from the captain is probably a good substitute. Missing nipples again though :P. Despite the above, most do seem to like him and want him.

- Captain: Seems to have been pretty universally loved, hard to really complain about really, he does what it says on the tin and has a nice mix of bits and options. (nipples )

- Sanguinary Priest: Seems to be widely liked again, albeit some people would have liked him to be holding the grail and others wanted something more ornate. It's a very solid model regardless with some lovely options again though.

- Sanguinary Guard: They lost their wings and most people can't get past that, they also lost their nipples which further galvanises the hate, then they lost some of their weapon options which makes people concerned/annoyed at the potential impact on existing models coupled with each model being the same rather than unique in terms of adornments resulting in a feeling overall of plain-ness, even though at least one of the old sanguinary guard had unadorned legs and a very similar torso design. Personally I still think they look good (great with some tweaks), but I won't deny they were the swing and miss of our release for most people.

 

The above doesn't really equate to a meh release in reality. I actually agree with @Inquisitor_Lensoven in that for a few of the models the issue was expectations (mostly the upgrade sprue and Sanguinor), that said... the fact that our upgrade sprue doubles as our unit sprue for death company meaning we lost an entire kit is a cause for understandable upset/frustration. Similarly the fact that Sanguinary guard were a solid miss for... lets charitably say half the blood angel community is disappointing. I think we'll get an actual death company kit in 11th potentially, similar to how most people expect raven wing to be tackled for DA in 11th.

 

The other issue with this release, and something that GW have been tight lipped on so far, is what it means for existing units and the implications for the future. Death Company with the really silly options they had this edition have been a crutch for the chapter and inflated the tournament success as a result, they're going away, Sanguinary Guard similarly were in a positon of being able to have the same silly loadout for no extra cost and naturally many jumped on "ALL THE MELTA AND FISTS", with that going away from both units, it'll be a time of adjustment.

Overall, Blood Angels have actually had MORE primaris character models than any other chapter as of this release (and realistically, we have some of the nicest primaris updates, Mephiston IMO still being the best to date), albeit we also have fewer units than any of the other ones to get an update (though as I said above, I feel we may get the other one back next edition)

 

PERSONALLY, if I were to rate the range refreshes of the chapters that have had one so far:

BT: 10/10, it was honestly a perfect update. You could tell GW REALLY tried to make sure they got it right after how they handled BT in 8th.

DA: 7/10, the units generally look good, though the new helms on the knights are off, the character updates were fairly average in their most recent wave.

BA: 7/10, the reverse of the above IMO, the characters carry the overall BA update. The unit update is fine for the one we got but demoting death company to an upgrade sprue for the first time since 3rd ed is not great.

Edited August 18 by Blindhamster

[Scribe]

 

except they aren't meh to everyone. Its been interesting watching things like the blood angels facebook group, where as time goes on, I see more people saying "I like them", and its mostly the same people posting that they dont across multiple posts.

 

There's always going to be someone. I mean hell, someone (I cannot be bothered to check) said 'everything post 8th' is better than the last Lemartes. I mean hello?

 

My initial reaction was that the SG are fine, and they are. They are not great however, they are 'meh'. They are mid. They are serviceable. They are not great, knock it out of the park, tier S models.

[INKS]

It's just personal preference and what we visually like as individuals. good example of contrast. 

I have had a BA army in the past. I love the BA. I was seriously considering restarting my BA army. I still am. I seen these models and the other set and thought, meh they are ok. not blown away but not bad and there is a lot I can work with here to make them my own. cool.

 

Seen the Vespids today... I MUST HAVE THEM. I want a whole 40k army of them and that is a thing that doesn't even exist.

[Alternis]

 

It's just personal preference and what we visually like as individuals. good example of contrast. 

I have had a BA army in the past. I love the BA. I was seriously considering restarting my BA army. I still am. I seen these models and the other set and thought, meh they are ok. not blown away but not bad and there is a lot I can work with here to make them my own. cool.

 

Seen the Vespids today... I MUST HAVE THEM. I want a whole 40k army of them and that is a thing that doesn't even exist.

As someone who recently started collecting Tau it is on my radar also. 
but I don’t want to buy the whole box just for half of it, although the terrain is very good, so it’s a tempting buy. 
 

But back on thread topic, I will be buying everything in this release wave for BA. 
 

all the characters, the battleforce and atleast 2 boxes of SG for 6 total just to accompany my Dante. 
 

I already have 30 Assault Intercessors and 20 jump assault Intercessors with 2 jump captains and 10 DC Intercessors, and a Brutalis 

 

so the battle force is more or less just going to round out my DC force to 20 foot, 10 jump, so gives me something to work with. 
 

I’ll have 1 BA brutalis and 1 DC Brutalis, all I’m really missing more or less is troop transport as I have both repulsors and a gladiator lancer but I don’t have an impulsor yet. 
 

and I have my lil Imperium Secundus collection on my shelf, all I’m missing is a 40K Sanguinius to complete the triumvirate 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

Or, they are just underwhelming. I mean good models get praise just look at the Kill Teams response.

 

These models are meh. Simple as that.

Scions aren’t good models, thanks for proving my point.

[Joe]

 

Scions aren’t good models, thanks for proving my point.

 

Original Scions definitely weren't - the Aquilons are definitely ticking a few more boxes for me, although the helmets are still positively awful. Subjectivity and all that, really.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

Original Scions definitely weren't - the Aquilons are definitely ticking a few more boxes for me, although the helmets are still positively awful. Subjectivity and all that, really.

I mean we have to face it, scions were so unpopular they brought back the unit they replaced because it was more popular.

 

so I don’t think anyone had any expectations for how the scions or vespids look, meaning no one is particularly upset with the models.

 

 

 

except they aren't meh to everyone. Its been interesting watching things like the blood angels facebook group, where as time goes on, I see more people saying "I like them", and its mostly the same people posting that they dont across multiple posts.

The huge difference between this release and the kill team one is the level of hype and expectation involved. Blood Angels are one of the most popular factions and this update has been long anticipated by many of us, with expectations and hopes tending to skyrocket (and further inflated by hype creating videos from certain youtubers).

 

Don't get me wrong, its far from a perfect release, but its still much better than a meh one.

 

- upgrade sprue: If you like bare heads, its really awesome, if you like helmets, it kinda sucks. The templar one was marginally better for helmets (whopping 2! vs our 1). Outside of that, that upgrade sprue really was an expectation thing. We had a clear structure/pattern to expect with it and it was pretty damn consistent (I did a breakdown in another thread comparing to the DA one, we have more weapons in ours than they did, we even have more unique weapons in ours than they did, we have a comparible number of little baubles and vehicle icons and slightly more backpack icons too, we dont have anything bike related which is no surprise, we didn't get anything jump pack related, which is also probably no surprise but for sure sad. Importantly, the people expecting more wanted deathwatch pads, or they wanted other ornate pads, but that really was never in the scope considering the chapter pads for various other armour types that were always going ot be in there.. ergo expectations).

- Lemartes: Undeniably an excellent sculpt, full of character also. He's quite different from his last model, but lets face it, his last one was similarly different from the one before, and whilst I love the last one, it was very very generic overall, where this one is quite unique looking. Whats also funny is the main complaint about him (he's not like the last one, is hillariously inverse echoed with the next two... because human nature). Broadly speaking though, the response was positive.

- Astorarth: Solid update of the last version, the mask looks more like a mask now than before (it clearly was before, but so many people didn't paint it as one anyway). Stayed very close to the original, including the awkward arm positioning, personally I'm hoping the arms attach in a way that the axe position can be tweaked a little. Losing the nipples is a bit weird, especially as Mephiston kept his lol. Regardless, the old one was tiny (even at time of release) and flimsy. Some people will miss the scrolls he was held up on, others won't. Peoples main complaint has been the reverse of Lemartes, he's too much like the original. Again broadly speaking, people like and want him.

- Sanguinor: Basically as above. very true to the original, overall an excellent if unadventurous update. Peoples big disappointment again comes from expectations here. So many people had hyped up the idea of Sanguinor as a mini primarch, as some huge over the top center piece model. He isn't. He could have been if they wanted, but it was never anything other than people hyping up and hoping for something with no evidence. As a result: Disappointment. One thing that remains to be seen.. is how the head actually is. The 'Eavy Metal paintjob does it absolutely no favours... however it may well be a lot better than it seems. If not, the one from the captain is probably a good substitute. Missing nipples again though :P. Despite the above, most do seem to like him and want him.

- Captain: Seems to have been pretty universally loved, hard to really complain about really, he does what it says on the tin and has a nice mix of bits and options. (nipples )

- Sanguinary Priest: Seems to be widely liked again, albeit some people would have liked him to be holding the grail and others wanted something more ornate. It's a very solid model regardless with some lovely options again though.

- Sanguinary Guard: They lost their wings and most people can't get past that, they also lost their nipples which further galvanises the hate, then they lost some of their weapon options which makes people concerned/annoyed at the potential impact on existing models coupled with each model being the same rather than unique in terms of adornments resulting in a feeling overall of plain-ness, even though at least one of the old sanguinary guard had unadorned legs and a very similar torso design. Personally I still think they look good (great with some tweaks), but I won't deny they were the swing and miss of our release for most people.

 

The above doesn't really equate to a meh release in reality. I actually agree with @Inquisitor_Lensoven in that for a few of the models the issue was expectations (mostly the upgrade sprue and Sanguinor), that said... the fact that our upgrade sprue doubles as our unit sprue for death company meaning we lost an entire kit is a cause for understandable upset/frustration. Similarly the fact that Sanguinary guard were a solid miss for... lets charitably say half the blood angel community is disappointing. I think we'll get an actual death company kit in 11th potentially, similar to how most people expect raven wing to be tackled for DA in 11th.

 

The other issue with this release, and something that GW have been tight lipped on so far, is what it means for existing units and the implications for the future. Death Company with the really silly options they had this edition have been a crutch for the chapter and inflated the tournament success as a result, they're going away, Sanguinary Guard similarly were in a positon of being able to have the same silly loadout for no extra cost and naturally many jumped on "ALL THE MELTA AND FISTS", with that going away from both units, it'll be a time of adjustment.

Overall, Blood Angels have actually had MORE primaris character models than any other chapter as of this release (and realistically, we have some of the nicest primaris updates, Mephiston IMO still being the best to date), albeit we also have fewer units than any of the other ones to get an update (though as I said above, I feel we may get the other one back next edition)

 

PERSONALLY, if I were to rate the range refreshes of the chapters that have had one so far:

BT: 10/10, it was honestly a perfect update. You could tell GW REALLY tried to make sure they got it right after how they handled BT in 8th.

DA: 7/10, the units generally look good, though the new helms on the knights are off, the character updates were fairly average in their most recent wave.

BA: 7/10, the reverse of the above IMO, the characters carry the overall BA update. The unit update is fine for the one we got but demoting death company to an upgrade sprue for the first time since 3rd ed is not great.

After nearly a week now of people complaining about SG seem to also have deemed themselves arbiters what what it means ‘to be blood angels’

one person in particular here seems to think there’s only one method for warriors to express themselves artistically.

these people seem to actually be angry that other people can be happy with these models or at least accept them.

 

also idk if other chapters/factions have a similar problem, but it seems there’s a level of emotional issues when it comes to many BA fans, and at various points in my life that included me. The way some people seem to identify with fictional psychopaths is not a sign of being emotionally healthy.

[DemonGSides]

 

After nearly a week now of people complaining about SG seem to also have deemed themselves arbiters what what it means ‘to be blood angels’

one person in particular here seems to think there’s only one method for warriors to express themselves artistically.

these people seem to actually be angry that other people can be happy with these models or at least accept them.

 

also idk if other chapters/factions have a similar problem, but it seems there’s a level of emotional issues when it comes to many BA fans, and at various points in my life that included me. The way some people seem to identify with fictional psychopaths is not a sign of being emotionally healthy

 

Yeah I agree, the way you talk about these things on the Internet is not healthy.

 

 

[Blindhamster]

Let’s face it, we all suffer from the black rage from time to time.

[Joe]

 

Let’s face it, we all suffer from the black rage from time to time.

 

I'm sorry, but it's only the Black Rage if you're a Blood Angel. Otherwise it's Sparkling Angry Time.

[lansalt]

 

Let’s face it, we all suffer from the black rage from time to time.

Sometimes I see Horus driving during my commute, yes

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

 

About time.

They learnin'

Though they have added new 30K SW helmets when the wolf helmets bombed. All it takes is the BA community to rise up, say that design stinks and keep their wallets closed.

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

 

It's just personal preference and what we visually like as individuals. good example of contrast. 

I have had a BA army in the past. I love the BA. I was seriously considering restarting my BA army. I still am. I seen these models and the other set and thought, meh they are ok. not blown away but not bad and there is a lot I can work with here to make them my own. cool.

 

Seen the Vespids today... I MUST HAVE THEM. I want a whole 40k army of them and that is a thing that doesn't even exist.

Be wary though when fielding your precious Vespids against the new BA. The sons of Sanguinius are rumoured to receive soon a melee weapon upgrade kit which includes two-handed flyswatters. Splat! 

[Scribe]

 

Scions aren’t good models, thanks for proving my point.

 

Right, always one.

[Robbienw]

The problem with these is they still look too MkX.

 

Dante, the Sanguinor and the new BA Captain have the right amount of extra styling.  

These chaps just look MkX with a few muscles slapped on and it doesn’t work.

[ZeroWolf]

 

Though they have added new 30K SW helmets when the wolf helmets bombed. All it takes is the BA community to rise up, say that design stinks and keep their wallets closed.

Problem is, a lot of BA players like these new ones. I know my son wants them for starters. These will probably sell well (even people wanting to customise them to their tastes will still be buying the kit!).

[Blindhamster]

 

The problem with these is they still look too MkX.

 

Dante, the Sanguinor and the new BA Captain have the right amount of extra styling.  

These chaps just look MkX with a few muscles slapped on and it doesn’t work.

it’s interesting though as the only major difference between these and the captain is the thighs. I wonder how they’d look with the same style thighs 

[Robbienw]

 

it’s interesting though as the only major difference between these and the captain is the thighs. I wonder how they’d look with the same style thighs 

They’d look better.

 

But that’s not the only difference, the captain doesn’t have the tubes on the sides of his chest plate and has more sculpted arms.  Plus his death mask helmet is vastly superior to the SG ones.

 

[lansalt]

Somebody in GW thought it was a honest good idea to make SG look like Stormcasts. It's understandable wanting to avoid being beholden to the whims of fans and keep your artistic freedom, but at some point you have to read the room and notice that the overlap between people that like both must be a negative number, and you're going to alienate old fans for nothing.

[Blindhamster]

 

They’d look better.

 

But that’s not the only difference, the captain doesn’t have the tubes on the sides of his chest plate and has more sculpted arms.  Plus his death mask helmet is vastly superior to the SG ones.

 

none of those things are mkX things though. The tubes appeared on zero mkX before, the helmet isn't any more or less mkX. The only bit on the arms thats more sculpted for the captain is the elbows, the forearms and biceps appear the same with the same grooves on the wrist, same ridge around the edges etc.

 

I was just basing it on if the mkX stuff was the problem, the only actually more mkX thing on them is the thighs.

I do totally agree on the cables on the chest though, they suck and really give them a "wide" or "stocky" appearance.

 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

Right, always one.

Bro scions were so poorly liked they brought back the unit they replaced.

[Robbienw]

 

none of those things are mkX things though. The tubes appeared on zero mkX before, the helmet isn't any more or less mkX. The only bit on the arms thats more sculpted for the captain is the elbows, the forearms and biceps appear the same with the same grooves on the wrist, same ridge around the edges etc.

 

I was just basing it on if the mkX stuff was the problem, the only actually more mkX thing on them is the thighs.

I do totally agree on the cables on the chest though, they suck and really give them a "wide" or "stocky" appearance.

 

But all of those things on the Captain help to take the edge off the MkX look.

 

The Captain looks like he has proper sculpted artificer armour.  

The SG should as well, but they haven’t quite made it.  A few changes to the models and they would have.

[VanDutch]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/18/sunday-preview-the-blood-angels-descend-and-war-comes-to-angmar/
 

As expected, pre order *for

the Death Company box* is next week.

Edited August 18 by VanDutch