Sanguinor and Sanguinary Guard

[apostle85]

 

For me, GW did 'Primaris in motion' so well with the plain assault intercessors but since then they've really whiffed it. All the jump pack guys in the last year or so have looked really static, like they practicing balancing on one foot on rocks.

Quite a few of the poses also strike me as someone mid trip.

[caladancid]

 

I do wonder how much of the anger/disgust aimed at The Sanguinor and the Sangy Guard stems simply from the fact that they're Primaris now?

 

Regardless, they are by far not the worst Primaris Marine sculpt and certainly nowhere close to how poor the Coteaz model is.

 

Yes, the lack of wings is an issue and yes, The Sanguinor apparently forgot to shave, but both can realistically be solved with some spare bitz, plastic cement, a pair of clippers, and some outside the box thinking.

 

As some people have said, the Stormcast have pretty good heads to swap onto here if you think the vibes are off for the offical models and the old Sangy Guard wings can probably be put onto the jump packs without too much issue (I think there's already posts on the BA reddit from a while back about kitbashing Primaris Sangy Guard using the JPAI kit in the same manner).

 

Essentially, out of the entire new wave of BA stuff, only the Sangy Guard feel like a really mistep and it's a problem that's very much fixable.

 

If you have to talk about fixing brand new releases with bitz, cement, clippers, and a new design philosophy, then I am going to say no its not because they are Primaris.

[crimsondave]

Based on the last few releases, I think us Dark Angel players got really lucky with what we got.

 

These are ok.  Certainly better than Coteaz by a country mile.  Nothing that makes me want to go start a Blood Angels army though.

[Blindhamster]

Same as with the captain, I think smoothing the circled bits so they don’t “stick out” from the torso would help the chest pieces a lot

[Toxichobbit]

Sanguinor is almost there. They really didn't need to put primaris details on him though - he's a mythical being from the Heresy era, why the hell does he have primaris ridges on his ears & primaris grav-flaps on his jump pack. It's not like he's actually part of the Chapter, he hasn't crossed the Rubricon and he doesn't just drop in to the Armorium to get his gear updated. Stupid design decision that reeks of GW corporate (as most things primaris do).

 

The Sanguinary Guard are a massive failure. They look like someone stuck a jump pack on 1st gen Stormcast. The loss of wings is also a loss of identity for the unit. I'm not overly attached to the winged jump pack look, so to be honest I don't mind. But I can see that they were an iconic part of the unit, so getting rid of them seems a bizarre choice. The spears are cool at least.

 

But good god, Space Marines have easily won the "most boring range ever" award. I was hoping that with the primaris range moving to specific Chapters we'd see more releases like the Black Templars (fantastic refresh). But it's nothing like that, instead it's mostly just inferior bastardisation of previously fantastic designs. It's all so bland, like the gruel of GW models. I look at the AOS range, the Necromunda range, Kill Team, Warcry, Underworlds and to a lesser extent other 40k factions and I see new ideas, most of which hit a home run with fantastic design and sculpts. Then I look back at the primaris refresh and I see a range that looks like it was designed by the marketing team.

[Indy Techwisp]

 

They basically just used his old pose and gave him a Primaris jump back (does that even make sense in-verse? I'll bow to BA player's knowledge in this bit)

 

Not a BA player, but someone who reads up on the lore a bit.

 

It's probably because The Sanguinor is (partially) a Psychic manifestation the BA create.

So with more BA Primaris Marines, it makes sense that they'd start manifesting him with Primaris gear, as that's what they're expecting to see.

[Marshal Reinhard]

I for one like the loss of the ridicilous huge wings of the old SG models. Feels more like a thing when limited to sanguinor and astaroth. Also found it weird how the sg had them but not dante.

 

Need to see the models on a big screen before i can judge further

[DemonGSides]

Yeah I don't care about loss of wings. Just these feel like you bought the captain box 3 times and painted them all gold and slapped Dante's jump pack on them.

 

Sanguinor is alright. They should have been brave and made him primarch class. Oh well, GW is GW. 

[Orion]

Sanguinor is giving Kurt Russel vibes.

 

The Sang guard are kinda boring.

Sure, I don't collect BA, but I also don't collect DA and the Deathwing Knights were much more enticing as a glowup.

They feel more Stormcast.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

...and just like that, I understand Lemartes' anger.

 

Brilliant 3d-chess move, GW.

[Flaherty]

What an absolutely dreadful waste of an opportunity.

 

I miss the wings of the Sanguinary guard, but I could live with the jump packs. I cannot abide by the Inquisitor Coteaz dollar store Sigmarine armor.

 

If you're going to clip their wings, at least give them armor that's ornate, as described in some of the BA fiction, and make their proportions more graceful. The delta between these and the normal jump-pack intercessors is so small as to be pointless. It's especially galling given how cool the DA inner circle guard are.

 

The Sanguinor looks better in the video, but it still feels like a blown opportunity. Given the BA are unlikely to get a Primarch model, this could have been the centerpiece. Comparing the Sanguinor to the AoS model makes me want to succumb to the black rage.

 

A disappointing release. 

 

 

 

 

[Nephaston]

 

After having looked at him for a bit longer, I’m in overall agreement here, if I understand it correctly and the Sanguinor is a psychic manifestation/imperial daemon more organic wings rather than a winged jump pack would make more sense to me. 

Old Model also had a jump pack with decorative wings.

My guess why they sculpted winged packs for the character but not for the SG is either make them closer to Dante (you wouldn't want to outbling the chapter master) or make them more distinct from stormcast/prosecutors (who will be mercilessly recycled for their bits, regardless of the complaints that SG and SC look alike)

[Indy Techwisp]

 

Old Model also had a jump pack with decorative wings.

My guess why they sculpted winged packs for the character but not for the SG is either make them closer to Dante (you wouldn't want to outbling the chapter master) or make them more distinct from stormcast/prosecutors (who will be mercilessly recycled for their bits, regardless of the complaints that SG and SC look alike)

 

I can already see people stealing the Stormcast heads as we speak...

[crimsondave]

@Nova-V  We get it.  You can stop now.

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

 

 

Looks like an ape with a wig. 

 

Those Sanguinary Guard though... Ouch! My condolences.

I can´t unsee it now. Just like with World Eater bunny helmets. Another model ruined for me. My wallet will thank you.

[Orange Knight]

Sanguinor is great. They kept the right pose for him.

 

The Sanguinary Guard are pretty cool. Maybe too ornate for me, or maybe it'sjust how Golden they are?

But I'm glad they've ditched the wings- Imo it made no sense for them to have those, but for Dante not to. Also, I think they are a whole impractical feature in general.

[Nephaston]

 

The Sanguinor looks better in the video, but it still feels like a blown opportunity. Given the BA are unlikely to get a Primarch model, this could have been the centerpiece. Comparing the Sanguinor to the AoS model makes me want to succumb to the black rage.

 

A disappointing release. 

 

 

Let's not pretend there wouldn't be a separate outrage at the centerpiece-ification of 40k if Sanguinor approached Celestant Primes dimensions, and how all these grand heroes make the game smaller/worse/dumber. And who knows, maybe his stats were boosted anyway, seeing as he is still the closest thing BA have to their primarch. Filling the spot like he's supposed to be.

[Indy Techwisp]

 

 

Let's not pretend there wouldn't be a separate outrage at the centerpiece-ification of 40k if Sanguinor approached Celestant Primes dimensions, and how all these grand heroes make the game smaller/worse/dumber. And who knows, maybe his stats were boosted anyway, seeing as he is still the closest thing BA have to their primarch. Filling the spot like he's supposed to be.

 

Scale-wise, I'm expecting him to be in the Celestine slot of "fancy pseudo-centerpiece".

[apostle85]

 

Old Model also had a jump pack with decorative wings.

My guess why they sculpted winged packs for the character but not for the SG is either make them closer to Dante (you wouldn't want to outbling the chapter master) or make them more distinct from stormcast/prosecutors (who will be mercilessly recycled for their bits, regardless of the complaints that SG and SC look alike)

Ahhh, I never had the old sanguinor mini, and for some reason I’ve only ever seen front views of him online. 
As far as the SG are concerned, I agree that they shouldn’t outbling Dante and I’m actually happy the wings are gone and that the detailing on them is very restrained.

[Wormwoods]

 

The Sanguinor looks better in the video, but it still feels like a blown opportunity. Given the BA are unlikely to get a Primarch model, this could have been the centerpiece. Comparing the Sanguinor to the AoS model makes me want to succumb to the black rage.

I'm not really a fan of new Sanguinor here, but at least he isn't going to immediately collapse into loose plastic like all those hyper-intricate AoS centrepieces that live on the shelf or need their own individual carry-case. 

[ZeroWolf]

I still think it's highly likely that Sanguinius will return to 40k at some point. This is GW we're talking about. They won't leave easy money on the table.

 

On the bright side, I can't see it happening for another 12+ years so we'll all have likely dropped out of it by that point.

 

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On a more serious note, I'm wondering if we're seeing something similar to the Desolation Marines here in the fact that these were designed a lot longer ago than general experience dictates (I.e. 3 years or more) and that's why there is a difference between releases. The rumour engine is proof of this when you consider how long they had the necron lord with cloak figure just sitting there.

[Xirix]

Guard without proper wings looks really bad to me, they just look like slightly blinged-up Jump Assault Intercessors now :/

[The4thHorseman]

Sanguinor is definitely decent, a Headswap and change back to a traditional Jump Pack will work.

The SG are just abysmal, queue the "Look How They Massacred My Boy" Gif from The Godfather.

They just look like a bloated mix of Primaris and Stormcast and devoid of any real details and artistic embellishments that they Should have.

[ThaneOfTas]

Wow. GW really just do not want my money at all do they?

 

Sanguinor is fine I guess. Not a downgrade at least, night need to give him a new head and trim the stupid flaps of the jump pack but that's doable. But he's not remotely exciting, frankly I'll be more than happy to hold off for a year or so before I get him. Which is honestly how I feel about the captain and the Sang Priest, who were the only other two kits that I'd consider buying.

 

The Sang Guard are heartbreaking though. I knew I wasn't likely to like them. The leaks about the lack of wings had basically put the final nail in that coffin before I even saw them. But me, I honestly can't find anything that I like. The more I look the more I can't stand them. The helmets suck, the swords are a downgrade, the pauldrons are bland, the chest plates just look weird, the poses are awkward, there's only 3 to a box, the jump packs are garbage, the flaps are ridiculous and there arent any ing wings!

 

I'm feeling very much like Gabriel Seth right now. 

 

I dearly wish that I had any release to be excited about lately, but between the Custodes Shield Captain and then everything Blood Angels being at best meh or at worst a downgrade, and all while watching 30k and AOS get streams of great models. I'm just burnt out. The hell is happening in Nottingham?

[phandaal]

 

 

If you have to talk about fixing brand new releases with bitz, cement, clippers, and a new design philosophy, then I am going to say no its not because they are Primaris.

 

GW could call them "Oldhammer is the Best" and the models would still look the way they do.

 

 

@Nova-V  We get it.  You can stop now.

 

Remember people were saying they really need those negative reactions because they just don't have the time to contribute otherwise. Where is the contribution from "respectfully disagreeing" with everything that even mentions Valrak? 99% of the time, it is not even an opinion.