Sanguinor and Sanguinary Guard

[brother_b]

That’s some thick parchment paper there, the better to absorb all that important Sanguinor writing.

 

The models are fine to me, I miss the big wings actually, I thought they were iconic of the unit.

 

This is why I didn’t go full BA in 8th when I returned to 40K. I knew the work I would have put into non-primaris marines would have been wasted after a time. The one unit of assault marines and old death company were all I finished.

 

Now the question is, do I go back to the Blood Angels and face the rage? 
 

I think I will…

[Orion]

Continuing the. "What's the deal with..." 

 

There seems to be only two power weapon designs, one death mask design, one torso design, one leg design

They definitely received the "Primaris Homogeneity" treatment.

 

Previous ones had a lot of variation between models. Like 5x the variety.

[Nephaston]

 

Sanguinor being just a slight size upgrade is so boring.

But every other time they take risks we get to read comments like "why didn't they just take the old design and upscale it?!" GW simply cannot win with marines anymore. We really are just the most unpleasable fanbase within a fanbase, with a third of all release and even a whole game system mostly for us.

[Xenith]

Oh boy, if this is the level of clunky detail and weird faces and poses the BA get, imagine what's going to happen when they get to space wolves. More banana fur?

[Orange Knight]

One thing that is objectively an improvement imo (aside from the general proportions) is that the wrist mounted bolters look a lot better.

 

Honestly guys, these kits are solid. A different paint job will make them look better, and when viewed on the tabletop they'll look great.

 

I understand some people are getting stuck on the wings, but we had fair warning that they wouldn't be coming back with the refresh.

There will be ways to add them back on via 3rd party bits in any case.

 

I think the Sanguinor is perhaps too safe, but he still looks solid. As for why he has become Primaris, is he not a manifestation of the Blood Angels? I guess he would manifest in the image they would conjure in the warp, and that image would reflect what they are.

 

 

But every other time they take risks we get to read comments like "why didn't they just take the old design and upscale it?!" GW simply cannot win with marines anymore. We really are just the most unpleasable fanbase within a fanbase, with a third of all release and even a whole game system mostly for us.

 

This is also true. If a model strays too far it's immediately set upon by an angry horde. We have seen it often over the years.

Edited August 12 by Orange Knight

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

The new Sanguinor' miniature is not bad at all. Maybe, the new one's mask isn't as cool as the current one, but otherwise,  I think it's good. And now in plastic.

The new Sanguinary Guard seems atrocious to me, even more so if the box has only 3 figures. They are bland, lacking personality. And jetpack without wings? Bad, very bad, I think.

Edited August 12 by Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf

[Toxichobbit]

 

Oh boy, if this is the level of clunky detail and weird faces and poses the BA get, imagine what's going to happen when they get to space wolves. More banana fur?

 

We'll be wishing they had kept those Heresy era wolf helmets.

[01RTB01]

I sincerely hope the emperor's children range is where all the risk taking lies. The 3 god traitor legions so far have been superb. I'm hoping for more of that over what we're seeing with the loyalists.

 

I don't know whether it's age, nostalgia or a mix of both but the newer 40k stuff does feel quite soulless. Nice updates generally - today notwithstanding, but apart from Angron and the Avatar, I fail to remember a recent, mainstream 40k release that has 'wowed'. I think the ork kommandos were the last thing that dropped that I gushed over for updated kit. Oodles of details, tons of options and very orky in both a modern and retro sense - swiss army knives and the mug being two of many things to point at. It feels like the specialist games are popping the more interesting 41st millenium kits. 

[Toxichobbit]

 

 the emperor's children range....

 

Of course - that's where all the nipples have gone!

[brother_b]

Stream of consciousness:

 

I was really hoping, maybe the sanguinor would be primarch level powerful, the embodiment of the soul of Sanguinius, something like that.

 

A giant, center piece model infused with the fury of Sanguinius.
 

As it stands, we don’t have that epic hero

[Kharn13]

Better angle on Instagram. Solid model!

[darkhorse0607]

The Sanguinor I can live with, although it just feels a little soulless to me. "We have sanguinor at home" kind of thing

 

I do not like the Sanguinary Guard though. They feel soulless. They somehow look plain, even though they're supposed to be the pinnacle of the Blood Angels, one of the most blinged out chapters. No wings. The weapons somehow look worse than the older kits.

 

I might still get a few characters but the reveals for this range have killed the hype I had to get back into the Chapter.

[Orange Knight]

Mephiston is the epic hero now, it would seem. He's a lone operative like the other Primarchs.

 

But I personally don't like this rule. The Primarchs should be able to join units and use transports like every other infantry model. As they do in the lore.

 

Abaddon still does, and the guy is comparable in size and base to the Lion and Guilliman. 

[MoriyaSchism]

 

But every other time they take risks we get to read comments like "why didn't they just take the old design and upscale it?!" GW simply cannot win with marines anymore. We really are just the most unpleasable fanbase within a fanbase, with a third of all release and even a whole game system mostly for us.

Why do they feel they have to reinvent the wheel with every legacy unit? Why are Space Marines players the guinea pigs for their nonsense sculpting experiments? Why do other factions get mostly faithful rescalings and redesigns but Space Marines have to get a soft reboot of their entire faction or weird experiments like Suppressors (the unit time and GW forgot) and Desolators? There are countless background stories and books they can draw on for new plastic Space Marine kits but instead we get what's basically by the numbers stuff made by people who are clearly bored or uninspired. At this point I'd rather see less Space Marine releases and have them make something like new Warp Spiders instead of whatever this Sanguinary Guard kit is. GW is still capable of making new units for established factions and the Shroud Runners for the Craftworld Eldar are a good example of one such unit. This seems to be an issue affecting more than just Space Marines, I personally think it extends to all Imperial Factions with examples such as the new Sentinel and Coteaz being two models I really dislike.

 

 

This is also true. If a model strays too far it's immediately set upon by am angry horde. We have seen it often over the years.

They remake units because they are recognizable, it's what they are banking on so why stray from the original design? When people hear "Sanguinary Guard" they want exactly what's written on the packaging, not whatever this is. The hate they get is the consequence of "THE SANGUINARY GUARD IS BACK AND THEY ARE BETTER THAN EVER" marketing approach they use.

Edited August 12 by MoriyaSchism

[Xenith]

Sanguinor will be fine with a head swap, I think. That might be the one I pick up. 

[Indy Techwisp]

 

Mephiston is the epic hero now, it would seem. He's a lone operative like the other Primarchs.

 

But I personally don't like this rule. The Primarchs should be able to join units and use transports like every other infantry model. As they do in the lore.

 

Abaddon still does, and the guy is comparable in size and base to the Lion and Guilliman. 

 

He may be juiced up, but he is still just a guy in Terminator armour.

I get what you mean tho.
Maybe next edition?

[Halandaar]

 

Honestly guys, these kits are solid.

 

This is an opinion. That it differs from that of others does not make it a fact.

 

 

This is also true. If a model strays too far it's immediately set upon by an angry horde. We have seen it often over the years.

 

This isn't necessarily true; arguably out of all the new Blood Angels Lemartes has been the most popular one and he's quite different from his previous version, whereas the Sanguinor and Astorath who are both very close to being straight remasters of the previous sculpts have been received fairly ambivalently. Sure there are plenty of "new=bad" people in the fandom but I for example don't dislike Sanguinary Guard because they've changed, I dislike them because I feel the change has been executed badly.

 

 

 

[Nephaston]

Chances also are they're really going for this two sides of the coin motif for both mephiston and sanguinor. I'm gonna bet that their profiles are gonna be beefy without the need to put one model on a 60mm base. Like a split reincarnation deal.

[Indy Techwisp]

 

They remake units because they are recognizable, it's what they are banking on so why stray from the original design? When people hear "Sanguinary Guard" they want exactly what's written on the packaging, not whatever this is. The hate they get is the consequence of "THE SANGUINARY GUARD IS BACK AND THEY ARE BETTER THAN EVER" marketing approach they use.

 

Literally just put wings on the Sangy Guard.
Then they'll look about "meh", which realistically here is the best we could hope for.

 

It's nowhere near the Coteaz resculpt which is just bad all around and also GW isn't going to break into your house and pour acetone over your old Sangy Guard so feel free to just keep using them.

It's just normal, Primaris "chonk" combined with a chronic lack of detailing (again, just harvest old Sangy Guard kits for parts. The Shoulder-pads do still fit on Primaris arms after all).

 

I don't think it's too outside the grounds of reality to assume a hobby community that usually chronically hordes spare bits specifically in order to spice up other models would be able to apply that process to the new Sangy Guard.

Edited August 12 by Indy Techwisp

[ThaneOfTas]

 

GW isn't going to break into your house and pour acetone over your old Sangy Guard so feel free to just keep using them

Of course you can only use just over half as many, and don't forget that you'll need to re-base them to 40mm, oh and you'll be proxying weapons if you want to use the spears (although I suppose you could just call the axes that no longer have a profile spears).

[SkimaskMohawk]

So now we know why they finally added sang guard to 30k; to clear out their inventory ahead of the revamp lol. 

 

They don't come off well, but that's mostly due to orange nmn style rather than the merits of the sculpt. Part of why the 5th Ed BA stuff holds up so well is the good paint jobs on sanguinor, lemartes, and the sang guard. Prime Dante wasn't that impressive when GW showed him, but then you saw people like Richard grey paint him and suddenly he looked better lol.

[crimsondave]

 

Mephiston is the epic hero now, it would seem. He's a lone operative like the other Primarchs.

 

But I personally don't like this rule. The Primarchs should be able to join units and use transports like every other infantry model. As they do in the lore.

 

Abaddon still does, and the guy is comparable in size and base to the Lion and Guilliman. 

Primarchs can ride in transports in HH.  Just make them take up 3 or 4 spots in a Land Raider for 40K.

 

 

But every other time they take risks we get to read comments like "why didn't they just take the old design and upscale it?!" GW simply cannot win with marines anymore. We really are just the most unpleasable fanbase within a fanbase, with a third of all release and even a whole game system mostly for us.

Who complained about the new Dark Angels?  I’m sure there was someone here or there that didn’t like them but overall they are extremely popular.
 

The new BAs are not horrible, but I’m not spending my money on them.  They’ll still sell out.  They’re Blood Angels.

[Indy Techwisp]

There's a good chance they'll look better when not painted up in nmm.

And probably also if you don't put the side stuff on.

[Scribe]

I like the SG, minus the wing flaps those have to go.

 

Sanguinor head is off, but sure.

[ThaneOfTas]

 

There's a good chance they'll look better when not painted up in nmm.

And probably also if you don't put the side stuff on.

Unless they magically get better masks, pauldrons, jump packs, poses and chest designs then I doubt it'll matter. The only disappointing part of the release that I expect to get better with a better paint job is the Sanguinors face